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Cocoanut Cookie
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04-02-2006 21:33
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Reitsuki Kojima
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04-02-2006 21:34
How can anyone write a sentence like this and live with himself? Speak for yourself. I don't hate Anshe in the slightest. For that matter, hating ANYONE in a fricking online game is a complete waste of soul. I consider this libel - statements like this. It's not the first time I've seen them here, and not the first person I've seen them about. It is an incredibly arrogant and presumptive thing to say. Speak for yourself, or for you and your six friends who may actually engage in such unwarranted hate. coco I said people. At what point did I ever say you? People are vegetarians. Are you? People are men. Are you? People are named Sally. Are you? _____________________
I am myself indifferent honest; but yet I could accuse me of such things that it were better my mother had not borne me: I am very proud, revengeful, ambitious, with more offenses at my beck than I have thoughts to put them in, imagination to give them shape, or time to act them in. What should such fellows as I do crawling between earth and heaven? We are arrant knaves, all; believe none of us.
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Cocoanut Cookie
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04-02-2006 21:38
Well, the word "some" would help.
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Reitsuki Kojima
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04-02-2006 21:43
Well, the word "some" would help. coco Why? "People" is not all-inclusive. That would be "all people", or better yet "everyone", which I never said. Hell, I didn't even use "we". _____________________
I am myself indifferent honest; but yet I could accuse me of such things that it were better my mother had not borne me: I am very proud, revengeful, ambitious, with more offenses at my beck than I have thoughts to put them in, imagination to give them shape, or time to act them in. What should such fellows as I do crawling between earth and heaven? We are arrant knaves, all; believe none of us.
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Selene Gregoire
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04-02-2006 22:00
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Nolan Nash
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04-02-2006 22:02
Nope, wrong again. How many times is it now? First you say I'm contradicting myself. I wasn't. When I pointed that out, did you apologize? Nope, you ignored that and instead went on to accuse me of trying to tell people what criticisms they can and can't respond to. When I showed you that wasn't the case, you went on to say that I said that people could only respond to warranted criticisms. Didn't say that either, did I? Did you apologize for those mistakes? Nope. Now you're complaining that I said to "debate, ignore or ridicule the criticism" that isn't warranted. How on earth does that statement mean "Michael wants to control debate"? It's pretty clear that I'm saying "DO WHAT YOU WANT". The only thing I said not to do was to bitch about being criticized. The point of my post was simple. Maybe too simple? Here, let's try it again. DEAL WITH THE SPECIFIC CRITICISMS ABOUT THE USA, BUT DON'T BITCH ABOUT BEING CRITICIZED BECAUSE IT'S SIMPLY PART OF BEING A SUPER-POWER AND YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT ANYWAY. Jumpin' Haysoos on a pogo stick, is that clear enough? Or will your next post accuse me of trying to control the pork belly market? You're talking in circles and expecting people to follow your "wisdom". "do what you want" does not mesh with, "don't bitch about being criticized". Adding a caveat like that nullifies the first statement. Not to mention, who are you to issue orders of what can and can't be said my man? _____________________
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Michael Seraph
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04-02-2006 22:18
Apologies? *chuckle* You're talking in circles and expecting people to follow your "wisdom". "do what you want" does not mesh with, "don't bitch about being criticized". Adding a caveat like that nullifies the first statement. Not to mention, who are you to issue orders of what can and can't be said my man? Yeah, that's me, talking in circles. So what's your newest accusation? Oh, that "do what you want" doesn't mesh with "don't bitch." You're right. Of course if you'd quoted it in context you'd be wrong, now wouldn't you? To quote myself (in context) I said to "debate, ignore or ridicule the criticism" that isn't warranted. How on earth does that statement mean "Michael wants to control debate"? It's pretty clear that I'm saying "DO WHAT YOU WANT". See how much clearer things are in context? The "do what you want" in relation to specific criticisms. See, the "don't bitch about being criticized" doesn't nullify the "do what you want" at all. Not to mention, who are you to issue orders of what can and can't be said my man? Yeah, that's what I was doing, issuing orders. Are you saying that I can't say "Don't bitch"? Oh my goodness, are you trying to control my speech? Help! Help! I'm being oppressed!!!! |
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Nolan Nash
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04-02-2006 22:58
Yeah, that's me, talking in circles. So what's your newest accusation? Oh, that "do what you want" doesn't mesh with "don't bitch." You're right. Of course if you'd quoted it in context you'd be wrong, now wouldn't you? To quote myself (in context) See how much clearer things are in context? The "do what you want" in relation to specific criticisms. See, the "don't bitch about being criticized" doesn't nullify the "do what you want" at all. Yeah, that's what I was doing, issuing orders. Are you saying that I can't say "Don't bitch"? Oh my goodness, are you trying to control my speech? Help! Help! I'm being oppressed!!!! See how that works?You followed "DO WHAT YOU WANT", with an exception. My reply was treating that in context. Here is the exact quote, non-rearranged by you for smoke and mirrors effect: "DO WHAT YOU WANT". The only thing I said not to do was to bitch about being criticized. " In a simpler form: "Do what you want, but DON'T do THIS". It makes no sense. I don't care about all the extraneous diversions. I care about you saying "Hey kids, you can do THIS, but don't do THAT." And lest you try to twist my words again to try yet again to catch me in some sort of lame-ass Jedi gotcha, let me point out to you that I am not telling you not to do that. I am calling you on it, by asking what your authority is. There is a big difference. I have not once issued an edict telling you "don't do this". I simply wanted to expose the fallacious reasoning behind it. If you are so sure I am misrepresenting you, then what are you doing here arguing with me still? You're obviously worried about something. If I am so unreasonable and thick that I just don't get it, why go on and on to prove you're "right"? My whole point boils down to this. It's clear in your statements that you want people to adhere to the technique you are prescribing. Simply put, speak and act for yourself. I'll damn well bitch about criticism on a general level if I so choose, despite your avuncular admonitions, and despite the irony of you bitching about bitching Now, have your last word, it's quite obvious you need to. _____________________
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Chip Midnight
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04-02-2006 23:18
As an American this doesn't really bother me. In fact, I think we deserve it. As a country we're obnoxiously nationalistic and annoyingly indoctrinated in the belief that our country is better than everyone else's. It embarasses me (and not just because it's mostly mythology, but because it's arrogant and short sighted). When a group that I belong to is painted with a broad brush I don't take it as a personal insult. I take it as an opportunity for a bit of self-reflection. "Do I behave in a way that justifies those remarks?" If not I pat myself on the back. If so, I've gained some insight into how others view that group and behavior. Given what's been going on in the world the past six years or so, wondering why there's a lot of anti-American sentiment around (even coming from Americans) seems like a question Rip VanWinkle might ask, right after being startled by the strange metal horses. I think now is a great time for we Americans to show some serious humility and self-depracation. If ill will is festering in the real world towards us I'd rather know about it. It's not like people aren't going to be feeling it simply because they're shamed into not saying it.
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Michael Seraph
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04-02-2006 23:40
You followed "DO WHAT YOU WANT", with an exception. My reply was treating that in context. Here is the exact quote, non-rearranged by you for smoke and mirrors effect: "DO WHAT YOU WANT". The only thing I said not to do was to bitch about being criticized. " In a simpler form: "Do what you want, but DON'T do THIS". Now you're just being dishonest. I liked it better when you were just being thick. I didn't rearrange the quote. Not at all. In fact you were the one who cut the quote up to change it's meaning. I then simply reposted the quote. Let's take a look at this okay? Here is your original quote: do what you want" does not mesh with, "don't bitch about being criticized" And here is the whole paragraph: Now you're complaining that I said to "debate, ignore or ridicule the criticism" that isn't warranted. How on earth does that statement mean "Michael wants to control debate"? It's pretty clear that I'm saying "DO WHAT YOU WANT". The only thing I said not to do was to bitch about being criticized. Two points here. The first is that nothing was rearranged, no smoke and mirrors. The second is that the statement "DO WHAT YOU WANT" is connected directly to the previous couple of sentences. You know, the ones you left out. It makes no sense. I don't care about all the extraneous diversions. I care about you saying "Hey kids, you can do THIS, but don't do THAT." And lest you try to twist my words again to try yet again to catch me in some sort of lame-ass Jedi gotcha, let me point out to you that I am not telling you not to do that. I am calling you on it, by asking what your authority is. There is a big difference. I have not once issued an edict telling you "don't do this". I simply wanted to expose the fallacious reasoning behind it. Ah, now I see, you're not telling me what I can and can't say, you're just "calling" me on it. Sure, no hypocrisy here. None at all. So, umm, what's your authority to "call" people on things? LOL. If you are so sure I am misrepresenting you, then what are you doing here arguing with me still? You're obviously worried about something. If I am so unreasonable and thick that I just don't get it, why go on and on to prove you're "right"? You are misrepresenting what I'm saying. Why shouldn't I "call" you on that? And I always love it when the person I'm arguing with tells me I'm going on and on. Like I'm the only one arguing? LOL. Yep, 'cause you aren't responding at all, are yah? My whole point boils down to this. It's clear in your statements that you want people to adhere to the technique you are prescribing. Simply put, speak and act for yourself. I'll damn well bitch about criticism on a general level if I so choose, despite your avuncular admonitions, and despite the irony of you bitching about bitching Okay, great. Yes I do want people to adhere to the technique I am prescribing. As awkward as that sounds. Speaking of irony, you're bitching about my bitching about bitching. Wow. Hysterical. Now, have your last word, it's quite obvious you need to. Oh good, finally I get the last word. Again. LOL. Remember this from Post 139? You are leaving yourself a lot of wriggle-room here, likely intentionally, so I'll let you get on with the Michael Control Show. Adieu So here's the last word. Deal with the specific criticisms, but complaining about being criticized is juvenile. It's part of super-power status. You can't change it, so live with it gracefully. |
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Magnum Serpentine
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04-02-2006 23:48
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Magnum Serpentine
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04-02-2006 23:50
Oh my goodness, there's anti-Americanism out there! They're being so mean to us! It's unfair! We never do that to them! Welcome to super-power status, people. We are the predominant culture and the most powerful political entity on the planet. With that comes lots and lots of criticism. If Monaco were in our position there would be an equal amount of anti-Monegasque feeling in the forums too. Yeah, a lot of the criticism is unwarranted, a lot is broad generalization too. So? You don't think Americans engage in the same kind of criticism about other countries and cultures? All those flag-waving Christian Republicans eating their freedom fries ring any bells? So get over it. As long as the USA plays the role it does in the world today there will be lots and lots of people criticizing us. Some of it will be justified, some won't. We are, in effect, the Anshe Chungs of Real Life. Mere mention of our name causes some to go into knee jerk reactions. Everyone knows who we are and has an opinion about us. All we can do is act like adults about it. And crying that there's anti-Amercan sentiment in SL forums is juvenile. Respect the criticism that's warranted and debate, ignore or ridicule the criticism that isn't. But don't bitch that we're being criticized. Enjoy it. Because when it stops we won't be on top anymore, and that's going to suck. Why do we have to be on top? Why can't we mind our own business and stop interfering in other nations affairs? |
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Enabran Templar
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04-03-2006 00:02
Boy George W. Bush needs to be impeached!!! Good luck with that one. _____________________
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Michael Seraph
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04-03-2006 00:28
Why do we have to be on top? Why can't we mind our own business and stop interfering in other nations affairs? Somebody will end up on top, and I'd rather it be us. Chauvinistic and ethnocentric probably, but hey, that's me. I'm happy the West won the Cold War. I'm thrilled the Soviet Union didn't become the only super-power on earth. And I'm all for interfering in other nations' affairs when it's done well and for the right reasons. Encouraging human rights, economic progress and environmental protection are perfectly good ways to interfere in other nations' affairs. Supporting democratic movements in authoritarian states is a good thing. Of course if you're talking about the policies of that idiot who's currently in the White House, now that's another story.... |
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Cristiano Midnight
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04-03-2006 00:45
Given what's been going on in the world the past six years or so, wondering why there's a lot of anti-American sentiment around (even coming from Americans) seems like a question Rip VanWinkle might ask, right after being startled by the strange metal horses. I think now is a great time for we Americans to show some serious humility and self-depracation. If ill will is festering in the real world towards us I'd rather know about it. It's not like people aren't going to be feeling it simply because they're shamed into not saying it. While your dig is quite colorful, I didn't wonder where it was coming from, I asked why it is tolerated in these forums. Expecting people to be civil to one another and not label groups of people as idiots, stupid, blah blah, is not shaming someone into not saying something. You are one for people being treated equally, that there is nothing that separates as people we are all the same - but then here again you are saying, but it's ok if people bash and lump together Americans. That doesn't make sense. _____________________
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Lewis Nerd
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04-03-2006 01:17
Boy George W. Bush needs to be impeached!!! Boy George? As in the 80's pop group Culture Club? I reckon we need an in world campaign about this. Let's put some signs up on overpriced plots of land to get our message known! Lewis _____________________
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Spinner Poutine
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04-03-2006 01:58
Gosh, people hating Americans, Liberals hating Conservatives, Americans hating the French, it goes on and on...people wisting other peoples twords, twisting facts to make them into what they want them to be to suit their needs, just wondering why people don't take the time to get to know the each other before judging them. Judge not lest ye be judged.
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Selador Cellardoor
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04-03-2006 02:45
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Spinner Poutine
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04-03-2006 03:01
an intentional pun, sorry got my twords wisted
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Reitsuki Kojima
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04-03-2006 03:43
Why do we have to be on top? Why can't we mind our own business and stop interfering in other nations affairs? It's called the Biggest Bully theory, and it's perfectly reasonable - as others have mentioned, someone is going to be on top. I'd rather it be us. _____________________
I am myself indifferent honest; but yet I could accuse me of such things that it were better my mother had not borne me: I am very proud, revengeful, ambitious, with more offenses at my beck than I have thoughts to put them in, imagination to give them shape, or time to act them in. What should such fellows as I do crawling between earth and heaven? We are arrant knaves, all; believe none of us.
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Damian Baphomet
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04-03-2006 04:06
wow I'm surprised none of my fellow french citizens hasn't replied to this thread already .... given french are the first receivers of american's well thought and fair criticism ( no offence intended
)In SL I have a lot of riends and most of them are american ... they are intelligents, well balanced and quite objective about themselves. But I also met a lot of narrow minded arrogant american in my life. What makes me really sad and shake my head in pity for you american is that you are educated ... or should I say conditioned ... to think you and your nation are the paragon of evolution and that it is your right and your duty to rule the world. On the other hand you are probably the contry where the school programs are the weakest and the most egocentric in the world. I bet 70% (yeah another percentage thrown in the fire  ) of the average american doesn't know half of the world's configuration, politic cituation, history or language. I don't blame the american people for being ignorant, condescending, arrogant and narrow minded because it is how you have been educated.oh there is just one think that REALLY irritates me with americans though .... it is that when french disagree with them they always bring back the F***ING subject of "without us you'd be speaking german today" which of course is only partly right ... I always refrain from remembering them that without us they wouldn't be a whole country but 2 colonies ... of french and one english. I don't care about the past and saying that I think you elected a clown for president (which btw is also true for us french) doesn't mean I hate all of you. _____________________
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Mulch Ennui
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04-03-2006 04:15
wow I'm surprised none of my fellow french citizens hasn't replied to this thread already .... given french are the first receivers of american's well thought and fair criticism ( no offence intended )In SL I have a lot of riends and most of them are american ... they are intelligents, well balanced and quite objective about themselves. But I also met a lot of narrow minded arrogant american in my life. What makes me really sad and shake my head in pity for you american is that you are educated ... or should I say conditioned ... to think you and your nation are the paragon of evolution and that it is your right and your duty to rule the world. On the other hand you are probably the contry where the school programs are the weakest and the most egocentric in the world. I bet 70% (yeah another percentage thrown in the fire ) of the average american doesn't know half of the world's configuration, politic cituation, history or language. I don't blame the american people for being ignorant, condescending, arrogant and narrow minded because it is how you have been educated.oh there is just one think that REALLY irritates me with americans though .... it is that when french disagree with them they always bring back the F***ING subject of "without us you'd be speaking german today" which of course is only partly right ... I always refrain from remembering them that without us they wouldn't be a whole country but 2 colonies ... of french and one english. I don't care about the past and saying that I think you elected a clown for president (which btw is also true for us french) doesn't mean I hate all of you. as an American I say USA for this post well said _____________________
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04-03-2006 05:31
Why don't all the damn Americans go back to where they came from?
Yes, I mean all of us, even the ones whose ancestors crossed over the Bering Strait 12,000 years ago. In fact, maybe the whole "primates on the american continent" idea was a bad thing, so let's just boot the marmosets, tamarins, and capuchin, owl, howler, squirrel, and spider monkeys back too. Nah, on second thought, we can let the marmosets stay... damn they are cute. |
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Ingrid Ingersoll
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04-03-2006 06:14
It's trendy these days to bash the USA. That's why everyone's doing it. And wearing kitten heels. Those are hot right now too.
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Damian Baphomet
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04-03-2006 06:18
It's trendy these days to bash the USA. That's why everyone's doing it. And wearing kitten heels. Those are hot right now too. well as it has been trendy to bash France ... or Australia, or UK ... each and everyone is the little (or big) ugly duck on his turn ... deal with it _____________________
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