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08-02-2006 12:09

From: Cherokee Darling

It's not simply a matter of reading....it is the fact that people can actually do what the swindlers do with the unsuspecting having no recourse...UNLESS...as suggested by others, SL puts thru a policy that allows people a determined amt of time to cancel any transaction. When one is making changes to their land like setting amount for sale, etc, one SHOULD NOT EXPECT TO HAVE TO COMPLETE THE TRANSACTION IN A NANO SECOND!!!!!!!

And no I dont want to hear that we should know....I hope you all remember your first days in sl, confusing..tons of things going on...tons of info.if you can find it...people griefing you on orientation island before you take your first step...the list goes on.

These land swindles take place on new people, they need a chance at least to learn the ropes before losing their only chance to own first land without losing it to greedy swindlers.

It is a simple matter of reading and paying attention. When you set sale price, it clearly says 'you have set the land to sale for XXXX linden dollars. Anyone can purchase this land. Procede?'

If you say no, it doesn't go to sale!

If you aren't reading or paying attention and say yes, you set it for sale to anyone at that price.

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Seraph Nephilim

and the angels will weep

Join date: 28 Jan 2006

Posts: 255

08-02-2006 14:46

From: Shack Dougall

I feel the same way.

The best solution would be to find a way to prevent people from making the mistake to begin with. If people are making mistakes, then it means that the user interface is confusing in some way.

But I don't know how to change it so that the confusion is eliminated.

QFT! Let me give it a shot (again!)

1. Get rid of the Windows-style confirmation buttons; i.e., ones that say "Yes" or "No". Buttons should be verbs, indicating an action.

Assuming the dialog reads: "you have set the land to sale for XXXX linden dollars. Anyone can purchase this land. Proceed?", that requires a "Yes" or "No" answer -- bad.

How about "You have set the land to sale for XXXX linden dollars." Buttons:
[Cancel] (default -- defaults should always be the safest option)
[Sell to Specific Person]
[Sell to Anyone]

(I just reordered the buttons in order from most "safe" to least "safe", which could be helpful if someone is tabbing through the options.) If you click on "Sell to Specific Person", then you select the person you want to sell to, in the same way you set that person now

No, it's not perfect, but I think it's better. And, despite all the cries of RTFM, given that this is a continual and ongoing problem, it is obviously a bad user interface and needs improving. This is just one suggestion; I've seen others. Almost anything would help!

And thank you, whomever -- I now have an almost RL example of Lawful Evil. Legal or not, taking land like this is immoral!

Shack Dougall

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08-02-2006 15:13

From: Seraph Nephilim

1. Get rid of the Windows-style confirmation buttons; i.e., ones that say "Yes" or "No". Buttons should be verbs, indicating an action.

Assuming the dialog reads: "you have set the land to sale for XXXX linden dollars. Anyone can purchase this land. Proceed?", that requires a "Yes" or "No" answer -- bad.

How about "You have set the land to sale for XXXX linden dollars." Buttons:
[Cancel] (default -- defaults should always be the safest option)
[Sell to Specific Person]
[Sell to Anyone]

(I just reordered the buttons in order from most "safe" to least "safe", which could be helpful if someone is tabbing through the options.) If you click on "Sell to Specific Person", then you select the person you want to sell to, in the same way you set that person now

No, it's not perfect, but I think it's better. And, despite all the cries of RTFM, given that this is a continual and ongoing problem, it is obviously a bad user interface and needs improving. This is just one suggestion; I've seen others. Almost anything would help!

Excellent suggestion!

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Kumi Kuhr

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08-02-2006 15:22

seconded. Good thinking

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Chip Midnight

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08-02-2006 16:13

From: Seraph Nephilim

How about "You have set the land to sale for XXXX linden dollars." Buttons:
[Cancel] (default -- defaults should always be the safest option)
[Sell to Specific Person]
[Sell to Anyone]

Definitely an excellent suggestion. I'd go a step farther and make it more like a wizard. If you select "specific person" it would prompt you for the name and price. If "anyone" it would just prompt you for the price. Finally it would present you with a summary "you've decided to sell your land to (specific name or anyone) for (price). Is this correct?"

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Wrestling Hulka

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Join date: 9 Apr 2006

Posts: 114

08-02-2006 16:20

Just to quell the myth. Third party programs and land finding scripts do not exist. I find it funny that everytime one of these posts are created someone refers to one. If there was such a script you all probably know I'd be the first to want it

Graiser Lightworker

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08-02-2006 18:33

From: katykiwi Moonflower

Can you imagine what the sleazy people who do this are like in "real life?" It's sad.

Not necessarily. Anonymity can allow a person to expose their true selves. Put on a mask, and drop your inhibitions.

They may be "fine, upstanding citizens" in the analog world.

Of course, they probably game the system whenever possible there too. See a sale sign, (for oranges, saying so on the sign,) casually flipped over on apples, stock up on sale priced apples. That sort of thing.

But they probably respect some group of people enough to hide that behavior from them totally. Their mother with them while they're shopping? Pay regular price for the apples, or not get them anyway. They were only appealing at the price of sale priced oranges.

And no. I don't do this. But my tongue is sharper when I'm not around family, so I too feel the effects of forbearance around respected elders.

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08-02-2006 18:56

From: Wrestling Hulka

Just to quell the myth. Third party programs and land finding scripts do not exist. I find it funny that everytime one of these posts are created someone refers to one. If there was such a script you all probably know I'd be the first to want it

I've been thinking this throughout this thread. Even libSecondLife ATM can't get land sale information (AFAIK).

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Banking Laws Realty Serious Join date: 14 Jun 2006 Posts: 602	08-02-2006 12:09 From: Cherokee Darling It's not simply a matter of reading....it is the fact that people can actually do what the swindlers do with the unsuspecting having no recourse...UNLESS...as suggested by others, SL puts thru a policy that allows people a determined amt of time to cancel any transaction. When one is making changes to their land like setting amount for sale, etc, one SHOULD NOT EXPECT TO HAVE TO COMPLETE THE TRANSACTION IN A NANO SECOND!!!!!!! And no I dont want to hear that we should know....I hope you all remember your first days in sl, confusing..tons of things going on...tons of info.if you can find it...people griefing you on orientation island before you take your first step...the list goes on. These land swindles take place on new people, they need a chance at least to learn the ropes before losing their only chance to own first land without losing it to greedy swindlers. It is a simple matter of reading and paying attention. When you set sale price, it clearly says '*you have set the land to sale for XXXX linden dollars. Anyone can purchase this land. Procede?' If you say no, it doesn't* go to sale! If you *aren't reading or paying attention and say yes, you* set it for sale *to anyone at that price*. _____________________ "I sincerely believe that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies, and that the principle of spending money to be paid in posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale." - Thomas Jefferson, 3rd U.S. President
Seraph Nephilim and the angels will weep Join date: 28 Jan 2006 Posts: 255	08-02-2006 14:46 From: Shack Dougall I feel the same way. The best solution would be to find a way to prevent people from making the mistake to begin with. If people are making mistakes, then it means that the user interface is confusing in some way. But I don't know how to change it so that the confusion is eliminated. QFT! Let me give it a shot (again!) 1. Get rid of the Windows-style confirmation buttons; i.e., ones that say "Yes" or "No". Buttons should be verbs, indicating an action. Assuming the dialog reads: "you have set the land to sale for XXXX linden dollars. Anyone can purchase this land. Proceed?", that requires a "Yes" or "No" answer -- bad. How about "You have set the land to sale for XXXX linden dollars." Buttons: [Cancel] (default -- defaults should always be the safest option) [Sell to Specific Person] [Sell to Anyone] (I just reordered the buttons in order from most "safe" to least "safe", which could be helpful if someone is tabbing through the options.) If you click on "Sell to Specific Person", then you select the person you want to sell to, in the same way you set that person now No, it's not perfect, but I think it's better. And, despite all the cries of RTFM, given that this is a continual and ongoing problem, it is obviously a bad user interface and needs improving. This is just one suggestion; I've seen others. Almost anything would help! And thank you, whomever -- I now have an almost RL example of Lawful Evil. Legal or not, taking land like this is immoral!
Shack Dougall self become: Object new Join date: 9 Aug 2004 Posts: 1,028	Two Thumbs Up! 08-02-2006 15:13 From: Seraph Nephilim 1. Get rid of the Windows-style confirmation buttons; i.e., ones that say "Yes" or "No". Buttons should be verbs, indicating an action. Assuming the dialog reads: "you have set the land to sale for XXXX linden dollars. Anyone can purchase this land. Proceed?", that requires a "Yes" or "No" answer -- bad. How about "You have set the land to sale for XXXX linden dollars." Buttons: [Cancel] (default -- defaults should always be the safest option) [Sell to Specific Person] [Sell to Anyone] (I just reordered the buttons in order from most "safe" to least "safe", which could be helpful if someone is tabbing through the options.) If you click on "Sell to Specific Person", then you select the person you want to sell to, in the same way you set that person now No, it's not perfect, but I think it's better. And, despite all the cries of RTFM, given that this is a continual and ongoing problem, it is obviously a bad user interface and needs improving. This is just one suggestion; I've seen others. Almost anything would help! Excellent suggestion! _____________________ Prim Composer for 3dsMax -- complete offline builder for prims and sculpties in 3ds Max http://liferain.com/downloads/primcomposer/ Hierarchical Prim Archive (HPA) -- HPA is is a fully-documented, platform-independent specification for storing and transferring builds between Second Life-compatible platforms and tools. https://liferain.com/projects/hpa
Kumi Kuhr Registered User Join date: 9 Jul 2005 Posts: 43	08-02-2006 15:22 seconded. Good thinking _____________________ avid explorer, gregarious loner
Chip Midnight ate my baby! Join date: 1 May 2003 Posts: 10,231	08-02-2006 16:13 From: Seraph Nephilim How about "You have set the land to sale for XXXX linden dollars." Buttons: [Cancel] (default -- defaults should always be the safest option) [Sell to Specific Person] [Sell to Anyone] Definitely an excellent suggestion. I'd go a step farther and make it more like a wizard. If you select "specific person" it would prompt you for the name and price. If "anyone" it would just prompt you for the price. Finally it would present you with a summary "you've decided to sell your land to (specific name or anyone) for (price). Is this correct?" _____________________ My other hobby: www.live365.com/stations/chip_midnight
Wrestling Hulka Registered User Join date: 9 Apr 2006 Posts: 114	08-02-2006 16:20 Just to quell the myth. Third party programs and land finding scripts do not exist. I find it funny that everytime one of these posts are created someone refers to one. If there was such a script you all probably know I'd be the first to want it
Graiser Lightworker Registered User Join date: 13 Dec 2005 Posts: 38	08-02-2006 18:33 From: katykiwi Moonflower Can you imagine what the sleazy people who do this are like in "real life?" It's sad. Not necessarily. Anonymity can allow a person to expose their true selves. Put on a mask, and drop your inhibitions. They may be "fine, upstanding citizens" in the analog world. Of course, they probably game the system whenever possible there too. See a sale sign, (for oranges, saying so on the sign,) casually flipped over on apples, stock up on sale priced apples. That sort of thing. But they probably respect some group of people enough to hide that behavior from them totally. Their mother with them while they're shopping? Pay regular price for the apples, or not get them anyway. They were only appealing at the price of sale priced oranges. And no. I don't do this. But my tongue is sharper when I'm not around family, so I too feel the effects of forbearance around respected elders.
Jesse Malthus OMG HAX! Join date: 21 Apr 2006 Posts: 649	08-02-2006 18:56 From: Wrestling Hulka Just to quell the myth. Third party programs and land finding scripts do not exist. I find it funny that everytime one of these posts are created someone refers to one. If there was such a script you all probably know I'd be the first to want it I've been thinking this throughout this thread. Even libSecondLife ATM can't get land sale information (AFAIK). _____________________ Ruby loves me like Japanese Jesus. Did Jesus ever go back and clean up those footprints he left? Beach Authority had to spend precious manpower. Japanese Jesus, where are you? Pragmatic!

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