Land Owners Beware!!

That's why you enable damage. The heart is their warning.

Not really, but it does make life in SL just that bit more inconvinent for them, which is enough for me.

I would be throughly shocked if so...for simple reason..LL's stance as such, the rules they hide behind..they enjoy too much that they can gloat in everyone's faces after they do such a deed and that our retaliation can be reported if we are rude, name calling, etc. So he feels no need to hide who he is..he has done nothing wrong. Only ways to avoid it is word of mouth and telling people to be very careful. Goodness knows I wished I had realized the 0L default to a particular person rule because then he might not have gotten his bite of my club land.

Eeeeeeevil. I like you.

Demona,

Technically, he did not do anything against Terms of Service. But he knew what he was doing and what was happening with the land he swooped to buy. He knew he hurt people and gloated about it.

IT's hard to have to just suck it up, but I rest knowing that someday he's going to get screwed over royally somehow. Cause I know for a fact what goes around, comes around. I just hope I'm there to see it so I can laugh my ass off at him then too.

Jack- I saw your delay suggestion and I do agree to an extent after seeing the feedback others left for it...a 5 min delay would not put anyone in a rush in a bind and it would give someone ample time to fight lag and correct errors!

Yeppers I know that's what I meant he would have no reason to change his name, since he *technically* did not breach TOS, just that little guidebook some have, some don't called *ethics*

When 1.12 comes around and land on islands can be sold just like mainland land, I think island owners will keep their ability to reclaim any land on their sim and revert it their ownership.

Ah.

What I want to see is a forced tutorial for first time land buyers. I know they should be RTFM but the swooping is just getting too much.

Well, I mentioned 45 minutes for the *listing*. (I think that 5 minutes is too short, but I'd go for 30 munutes, or even 20. Not much shorter though.) It would be for sale imediately, but only people who were actually present would know about it.

This means that if you have the buyer there, *they* could buy it, but there would simply be a reasonable and minimal delay before it appeared in the listings.

Even when people are in a hurry to sell because of upcoming tier, a delay of 45 minutes before it appears in the listings is not likely to be fatal to anyone.

Not true. There is an inworld tutorial explaining how to sell, buy, split, joining, and managing lands. It's in your F1Help! screen. Just hit your F1 key for more details.

Land Swoopers Unite!

Let's see.

First My First Land was L$4,000. Hmmm. Then someone sez "You could have got First Land for L$512." Hmmmmm.

Then a certain person to not be named stole land I was preparing to give a friend. He told me that we could "conduct business" to get the land back.

I'm constantly broke in world. When I do make land deals, it's with a lot of thought and consideration. This particular person didn't seem to think about that. Just stole the land and wanted to sell it back at much higher than first land prices {the person I was selling it to wanted to get land in my sim at first land prices, and I wanted her there, so I sold her part of mine at that price}.

Let's think about it.

The gates come down, and people drive around them, and they get hit.

But the land sales securities aren't that clear on the dangers.

They don't tell you how fast these guys can steal you land.

They don't tell you about first land or how to accurately find it.

When I bought land, nobody told me about these things. There was nothing in help {which is supremely unuseful}. All these people hiding behind "The Information Is There" hide behind it knowing how hard it is to come by.

A fifteen minute, or ten minute, or even five minute delay before land is listed would be a great help here. But some people, who will remain nameless, do not want that, precisely because they look for these mistakes so they can knowingly steal the land.

Well it's true! You're uber-evil. You're mega-evil. You're the full cream butter of evil. You're the Pepsi X of evil. A million calories, ooooh more than evil enough.

I like it.


But it's griefing ... darn

Get a trusty security orb.
Set a parcel for sale in the center of your land.
Set the security orb to llTeleportHome anyone you don't want there.
Watch swoopers go bouncing!
And it's legal!!!

I don't even buy land now, for the record. And a delay would be BAD. 99% of those who sell their land legitly not paying attention then complain it got stolen, would still complain, but with a 15 minute delay, when they aren't at their land anymore.

It isn't hard to come by and the controls are simple if you can read.

Pay attention and you won't make the mistake, but there is no theft involved in 99% of these cases, just landsellers not paying attention.

The land sale securities are clear on the danger if people actually read them.

Fancy you made this mistake Jonas, and lost lots of money? You now sound just like all the Land Swoopers.

Just wait till it happens to you.

We don't need to change the system..it works fine. Those who cant read or pay attention are the only ones being hurt, and all the delay in the world won't help that.

Hmmm.

I spoke with the purchaser.

I changed the price for the purchaser {who was with me}.

The purchaser didn't get the land. Why? Because a swooping land baron did.

The warning asked if I wanted to sell the land.

The purchaser was there.

What do you think, Jonas? Did I want to sell the land to the purchaser who was right there? Was the warning enough?

Stop your frigging babbling.

I am not the only person this has happened to, Jonas. Look at the rest of the thread. It's happened to others, as well.

This is what we call a problem, Jonas. It's called "Theft."

The person who arrived knew that the land was being sold immediately to another person. Both the seller an purchaser were there.

Had there been a fifteen minute delay or whatever, the land deal would have happened smoothly. As it was, the land was stolen from the intended purchaser.

I hate lawful evil people Jonas. As far as I'm concerned, Lawful Evil People should be shot.

You, Jonas, and the land swoopers, are generally Lawful Evil. They're hurting people. They're doing it often with malicious intent. And they hide behind the rules.

Do us all a favor and screw up so you get busted, will you? We would really love to see each and every Lawful Evil person get lambasted for their "not criminal" crimes.

Say it took ten minutes for a land posting to show up on the for sale chart. This would be a major bad thing because what? Minor inconveniance far as I can see. It would pretty much eliminate most of the land swoopers opportunities since it gives a person time to do what they need to, even in an 'oops' situation. Not everybody reads the forums, not every newbie has somebody pointing out the facts of life. And I rarely read an instruction manual till I get the wagon half built and realise the wheels are on backwards. Just call me reckless! Mistakes are gonna happen. Swoopers are bottom feeding, unethical, unconscionable low life scumbags. Why would anybody make excuses for them? Let em go find a real job.

As a brand new land owner the first thing I did was set the price to L$50,000 so land swoopers would not bother me and it occured to me that if two people are just transferring land why not just set the price very high and return the money once the transfer is complete.