consensus about 10% tier bonus exploit

when people donate tier to a group, the group is accrued an additional 10% bonus. what do people think of the idea of renting noobies land and then asking them to donate their tier as payment?

a noobie with a premium account is entitled to own a 512 piece of first land and monthly tier as part of their account package. the noobie doesn't need to rent a 512 plot. a land group which makes this arrangement is essentially able to create 10% bonus out of thin air. doesn't taking a donation of their tier essentially amounts to skimming a 10% bonus intended not for economic exploitation but to encourage group projects.

furthermore, doesn't this create a condition whereby the noobie is now locked into a land arrangement where they don't have full control of their land, the land lord does, indenturing them to a virtual world slumlord.

just curious what people think. personally i think the 10% tier bonus is an incredibly outdated bonus that is used more to exploit the sl economy by grinders than by group projects (though there are some exceptions). perhaps it's time to phase it out?

I like it.

10% kicks ass. In fact, I would prefer 15% or maybe even 20%.

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I never considered it an exploit.

I see people using it legitimately all the time. Define "projects".

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I think it's a terrible thing to exploit, HOWEVER, I think a lot of what you might consider exploiting I would consider legit.

For example, the land management situation you mention can be a very legitimate use of the bonus - If they are using their tier in leiu of paying rent, that's fine - it's the same basic "value", give or take a bit, and it saves a newbie some hard cash, and in exchange for taking in no direct money, the land manager gets some land tier he use to maintain infestruction for his rental properties, or something.

Exploiting a newbie, however, is bad - but not for the reasons you mention, but just because exploting a newbie is lame.

As for being "locked in a slum" or whatever... nonsense. The newbie can pack up and take his tier with him at a moments notice. No locking-in at all.

And, at the same time, I think a lot of legit projects DO depend on this bonus, and would be at a non-trivial inconvinience to a lot of long-standing projects to loose it.

I don't know why people with 4k+ tier don't have all their land grouped for the bonus. I'm sure they could find 2 random people to join as members in the group.

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So anyways... my point was, I used the bonus to buy land in Boadman and try to fix it up.. is that a "project"? A landbaron would use the bonus to buy more land... is that a project?

I was in a group that does this..........In fact he always ask people to give land to the group. Whats sad is he people don`t understand they are being used by him. Asking for land and turning around and using for his own gain is very very sad..... Hint......... (B)ring (T)he (M)oney............

Another example of this occured in another battle between Me and the owner.... again we were asked to carry the cost and pay out our pockets per month not even owning hte land gesh..........what do these people prove by doing this? I mean if you can`t stay inthe game and hold land just stop playing and deal with it. Instead of using people and getting land from them selling it and cashing out..............

sure they are projects. are they group projects? no. you are exploiting the 10% bonus to support your boardman project. theland baron is exploiting the 10% to squeeze a a bigger margin out of the land market.

i recall there was a bug that if someone left a group or was ejected from one before removing the tier donation, it would remain locked in for a period of time. was this bug fixed?

But other people were involved. Other people are in my group. And they're not all alts.. And i think there are many more like that around. Poeple pool together tier and group land everyday to make houses and places to hang out... that's a group project too.m

I think I used the group bonus legitimately. And if I didn't.... you can all come after me. I'm taking this thing to Mexico.

you are already benefitting from the discount from the regressive tier rate system. you are compounding a 10% bonus on top of that. that's double dipping.

the group bonus was intended to have several people contribute tier to one project. what we are seeing is one person carrying the majority of tier and exploiting the two bonuses together.

mexico is one hell of a party town.

Not if you didn't touch it with your lips before you diP it back in a second time.

this thread can't be serious...

please explain in detail how someone can be exploited, or someone can exploit SL by using the group tier bonus.

If they took away the group tier bonus, I sure hope they would at least implement a new payment scale where I am not always paying for tier I do not use, just because the system required me to tier up to whatever level.

I don't consider the 10% bonus an exploit in and of itself.

I do consider preying on the ignorance of newbies to be an exploit, more or less by the definition of the term.

That is the issue.......they grab newbies and put them In their group. Then beg for their land later they leave and that group sells off there land..........

Well, that is different than land tier bonus. If someone (a noob) decides to deed their land to a group, then they need to be aware of what they are doing.

If I recall correctly, the original post didn't raise this issue. If that's the issue that is being discussed, then it needs to be stated more clearly so that comments are relevent to the issue.

I think J Wu only has one legitimate complaint regarding a bug that doesnt allow someone ejected from a group to remove their tier contribution (is this fixed).

Well thats al well and said.but the problem is happening never teh less.....Like all post on this forum it always decresses to some point. ANd then raises again..I sorry but its too alike here so......well...to each YOUR own.......

I think it's becoming very clear that the SL economy does not need the guiding hand of Linden Lab to sustain it. We already ditched the ratings bonus, the developer's incentive and the dwell bonus. I would like LL to ditch the 10% group land bonus, but minimize its impact by also adding at least a 10% increase in the simulator's prim limit. We've had many improvements to the graphics engine but no increase in prim limits since version 1.2

I would also like LL to release as much of its land as possible.
I'm not talking roads or anything, just the empty strips of land that it used to need in order to limit terraforming or whatever it was.

It was always my understanding that LL did that to ensure a "reserve" amount of prims in the simulator for transient use, flying vehicles, avatars, etc.

I think avatars are a bit silly really. Why do we need these stupid things that don't move properly and don't move right? No more of them, please. I think the Lindens should get rid of the whole idea of owning land. All these buildings and crap don't mean anything. I think we should all log in a to a black void. Then I think the Lindens should institute a strict system of self-flagellation, preferably using barbed wire. And finally I think it should be illegal to log into Second Life without having a large-diameter candle stuck up our bottoms.