consensus about 10% tier bonus exploit

I agree that the 10% bonus should go the way of dwell. It seems to me that many members who are renting are here on free basic accounts and may not have the 512 to donate, but if they have it then its fair to request it as a contribution.

I also think its fair to ask for some land contribution from those selling in your store or mall if they dont pay rent.

It's too late for warnings. I bought another furry avatar this week. Now I'm a lemur in a pink top. AND I'M LOVING IT.

If they do, Ingrid, let us know. Now that Luskwood and Boardman are contiguous, we can form a group for the case of anti-crap, and make a killing on trinkets with that extra 10%.

Be careful of our furry underworld though. It's best not to lean over the railing. Ben Linden got sucked into it last week and we had to use a winch to get him out.

lol profits lol. Hold on, I've got to go into my furry "money room" and throw some solid gold coins into the air maniacally.

Add the Shelter to that list. We've finally grouped all the Shelter land, and began taking tier donations from folks willing to help out.

It by no means would be any kind of deathblow, but yeah - it'd be a kick in the junk.

Same with the Aerodrome, like mentioned. We'd survive, it would just hurt - but not us, so much as the public: The areas that would be first to go are public things like the helicopter pads, probably.

are your profit margins really that narrow?

that would be as effective as off the grid granola's turning their back on capitalism. the only way to change the system for the better is from the inside. and as long as everyone is taking advantage of the system, why should i hurt myself in the process?

you can call it what you like, but
"using it to get by"=exploiting

non profit - as if. at 700 L$ a pop and furries propogating like rabbits.

"non-profit" and "i just make stuff for fun" is sl forums code words for "i hope i can fly under the radar for the killing i'm making."

i used to buy and sell land for non-profit. once i covered operating costs like tier... and my rent

That is the most obscene, yet funny thing i've read today

Actually if you bothered to look at the things you are making blanket statements about you might find you are infact very much mistaken.

The residency group "Lusk estates land trust" has no direct affiliation with luskwood. It was not created by us, or chartered by us, Though several officers of luskwood are 'janitors' (aka officers of the estates group) simply because at the time it was founded we were the only active residents of the sim Lusk.

It is a LL charter in order to keep a very specific area (the lusk estates, aka the south-western 1/4 of the sim lusk) as a non commercial, free to use 'first home' style area for the residents of second life.

In fact we have generally beein involved with it at our direct monetary and time loss, at times when the plots were much less desirable sizes, having to float 6k sqm or more of tier on our own personal accounts simply to keep the group solvent.

Now that all plots in it are 512 sqm, it is coming along nicely and we have i believe 14-16 residents, covering the entire tier for the group and enjoying their homes in a managed (and LL overseen) suburban/residental area.

If you want to talk about profits, you talk luskwood, and not land trust, get your facts straight.

Luskwood, for those not counting, would be a type one on my earlier post, large resident run theme area.

The lusk estates land trust would be a type two on my earlier post, a resident managed land co-op which allows lots of people to live in a small, self sufficient community.

Neither of them are 'land trading businesses' run by individual people, using a 'group bonus' to exploit the system, that is, self-admittedly in this very thread, you, jauani.

Just because you haven't been part of a *real* group of like minded people struggling to make a place for themselves in SL jauani, doesn mean that they're not out there. Perhaps if you got off your high horse and walked around a little, talked to the people actually using the system you decry, in the way it was *MEANT* to be, you might actually realize that not everyone else is out there to exploit things.

To all those who have unwittingly participated as cast members in Jauani's latest performance art, I applaud you. Bravo!

Dammit, I pressed the button, and nothing happened.

*turns into a toad*

Crappola...

no i didn't. your just making stuff up now.

it's a free market. subsidies are undermining the Great Project. if your business can't survive without LL handouts perhaps it's time to scale back.

i saw the congo line pics. give me a more pertinent example.

from http://www.webster.com

Lie:

1 : to make an untrue statement with intent to deceive
2 : to create a false or misleading impression

At the moment, I don't believe so - but the Aerodrome has proven to be a fickle mistress in that regard at times.

*bows*

Well, there's a little space that just has a couple of trees on it next to the Coonspiracy that I'd like to get. I might replace the trees with pretty much identical ones that I own (if I had occasion to move them or if I returned them), set it to script/build, but that's about it.

Mostly I want it because I'd like a few more prims and I'm worried about someone else getting it.

Maybe they're plowing all their profit margins back into public spaces.

I'm plowing my loss margin into public spaces myself. Why? Because I like to. This is a game, and that's the game I like to play.

Argent, Jauani doesn't understand that it isn't all about maximizing your take. It's like trying to explain what "red" is to a colorblind man.

maybe english is your second language also. i found this book very useful

the system was meant to encourage people to people to pool their land and work on a project together. this was before people were generally ready to go shopping for half sim and full sims on the auctions. now that there is a lot of faith in the sl land market and people see the value of land in their enjoyment of their second life, the incentive is no longer required. instead what is happening is individuals, or groups, are putting all tier donation responsibility primarily under one account to leverage the regressive tier rates. then they are applying the group bonus on top of that. when you manipulate the system to your advantage in an unintended manner, that is an exploit. call it what you want, but whether you use it to fund your heroin addiction, "public space" ins sl, or an orphanage in burundi, it's still an exploit.

While it's true that some groups use the 10% tier bonus as "incentive to groups", I believe that the majority of residents "exploit" it to get more land.

Definition:
Exploit (online gaming)

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In general usage, an exploit refers to a method in which one can manipulate a system for his or her advantage. In the realm of online games, an exploit is usually a software bug, hack or bot that contributes to the user's prosperity in a manner not intended by the developers. In other words it is a form of cheating.

What is or is not considered an exploit varies between games and developers. The EULA (End-User License Agreement) typically states what type of gameplay is not acceptable. Thus, some developers may consider AFK gameplay to be an exploit, while others may not.

Exploits are most commonly used by two groups:

1. Those who are so enthusiastic about the game that they take any advantage they can get
   
2. Those who are so unenthusiastic about the game that they do not care if they are banned
   

Oftentimes, players can make exorbitant sums of real-world money by selling duped items and game currency or exploit information to willing buyers.





Types of exploits

1. Duping
   
2. AFK gaming and use of bots
   
3. Hacking
   
4. Use of "known bugs", such as "farming" an overactive MOB spawn.
   
5. Use of "cheat" sites that disseminate exploits and other "advantageous strategies."
   
6. Speed Hacking/Teleporting/subterrain travel - Since character position in World of Warcraft is determined by the client side, it is possible for players to send out artificial positional data and be instantly transported to any part of the world (even underground) or used to speed up traveling speed by altering positional deltas.
   

Consequences of exploitation

Depending on the EULA and the severity of the crime, developers may do anything from simply removing the exploited material from the game, to reprimanding the criminals, or banning their accounts. There are only occasional rare cases of an exploiter being threatened with legal action.

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coco