Point out inconsistencies and get punished?

No reason was given. This is often the case, particularly with resmods who slap a quick "pending linden review" on it to wipe their hands of any responsibility. Torley's later review was nonsensical and off-topic, and failed to explain why it was kept locked and not re-opened after edit.

The issue is and was important and I am in agreement with both you and Sensual on LL's culpability. The pictures themselves aren't necessary for a discussion to ensue and disregarding other people's postition (being at work, etc.) speaks to self importance with respect to others and an attitude that one is above the rules.

Your opinion carries no weight with my employer and I'm not arguing with either them or you. It commits me to inappropriate behavior - as defined by them - cartoons or not. Btw, I'm pretty sure having a nekkie Barbie Doll as my screen saver would not be acceptable.

Have fun, just don't post the pics so I can read along at work!

I respect the position you took in leaving the forums. Welcome back.


I still don't respect you, of course. jk

I think the reason for the "Why?" was that the reason posted in the locking of teh the thread was not clear.

Most are not.

Posting rules and regs without saying what they refer to (in this case the pictures), gets you nowhere and explains nothing.

I agree, LL owns SL and the Forums. They are providing a service, however, and one would expect them to deal professionally with complaints. In a concistant mannor.

Sensual has been here long enough to know better. The pics posted were taken from the Teen Grid and associated sites. Those sites, being monitored by LL, should be PG in and of themselves. Wether or not LL or anyone else conciders pixilated nudity PG or Mature is irrelevant when said pics are pulled from a source LL states is PG. It can be argued wither way and is really irrelivant. A simple IM by a RezMod or LL employee would ahve fixed the situation. Knowing Sensual, the pic was probably put up to simply show her point and while she probably should have realised the scope of the pic, that thought seemed to be missing due to emotional distress.

What is being swept under by all this drama is the plain fact that the Teen Grid not only has stolen (read that word again) textures and items, but ones stolen from the Main Grid and of a Mature nature.

I feel Sensual has every right to be upset over said theft and over the blase attitude we have publically recieved from LL concerning the mention of said thefts and of the proof that Mature content is on the Teen Grid.

IMO Sensual made a mistake in putting up the pic. The RezMod made a mistake in how the resolution of the post was handled. And LL made a mistake in how they handled the fallout.

All this has undermined my desire to help LL by informing them of problems. Due to inadequate/non-existant responses, and inapproiate behavior toward us, thier customers. Not all of LL is like that. Torley certainly is not. The minority that is, however, is like the minority of people who grief, or troll forums. They paint a broad picture that colors all who stand in that corner.

Like many others, I imagine, I will be watching to see the outcome. How LL handles this, and the theft and Mature content on the Teen Grid will play a very important role in the future of SL.

~Jessy

Just out of curiousity, since you keep speaking about how your employer feels, how does your employer feel about you reading the forums at work in the first place?

As I indicated in my post, accessing the net is allowed; innappropriate sites and material are not.

This is certainly a good idea and I don't know what sort of training and/or discussions are had with ResMods prior to giving them access to the forum toolset. I have VBulletin for my forums and the rights you can grant moderators are pretty flexible and can include editing of posts or removal of attachments. It depends on how much power LL chooses to give their moderators. I have noticed that (criticism approaching) LL doesn't do too well with things like guidelines (anyone who is in the Mentor or Greeter groups can verify this,) so it's hard to fault ResMods for a scattershot approach to something that is relatively subjective when there have likely been no training or guidelines to follow.

link pls!

O wow... I just noticed this thread as I was sent away to the Bahamas for 3 days and I am trying to catch up on the forums lol
Yes I was suspended for 3 days from the forums and in world... not sure how Kris found out, but it is true...
My main complaint is, I wasn't warned or really explained what I did wrong, I was just sent an automated email... When I tried calling LL they wouldnt give me any answers, I also sent emails with no reply...
It really saddens me that I was treated this way, there have been worse case scenarios of mature content in the forums and they have gone unpunished.. so why me? No idea...
I do know that I was spending 3-4 hours VOLUNTEERING myself to Live Help each day along with helping any newbie that crosses my path via the greeter program, but I will probably be kicked from those groups, I also have tried doing the right thing to find out if I should LEAVE the groups, I can't even get a reply about that
I am rambling now, but at the same time w/o words in how emotionally effected I am by the way LL has treated me

First of all I didnt relaise it was a problem until AFTER the thread was locked and I DID try to edit it and FIX the problem, but you can NOT edit a post in a locked thread, so thank you for your kindness and understanding in this issue!

Color me surprised as hell...for nipples? I've seen nipples on the 'new products' forums and the posters were gently reminded to edit the pic. Granted that was a while back.

If it wasn't for nipples then it's even more puzzling.

I'd really be interested to know if someone does lose their status in a volunteer group after a suspention of this sort.

And can someone please direct some of the FIC Conspiracy Theorists to this thread, beacuse I think this entire situation shoots a whole shitload of holes in their theory

Hell maybe you were a sacrificial lamb just to shut them up

don't display nude avatar pictures from the teen grid here

if you come across something like this, about which you think action needs to be taken, contact support through email or on the phone, or send email to one of the teen grid staff like Blue Linden

If only that would help. Don't forget the old adage, 'The squeaky wheel gets the grease'.

In this instance however I think the squeaky wheel got greased

I, as a parent who has a daughter on the teen grid, welcome these lil tidbits of info....no I don't, and never will, blame LL for how teens act, shit I hope noone blames me for how MY teen may act. But why are we or some posters here under the impression that the teen grid AV's have unremovable underclothing? ( I saw that mentioned somewhere) I haven't attempted to strip my daughters AV so I don't know. Or IS that the case and some enterprising youth just found a way around it?

Myx, the teens have found a way around it, I am unsure how as I never been in the teen grid before... but they are supposed to have a permanent undies and bra on, for whatever reason they have found a way to fully exposed skins with bits and all.. I tried to post about it and warn others as well, but I got supended for posting the "mature" pictures from the "TEEN" grid...

Thanks for the advice, although it came 3 days too late =/
Seriously.. I never thought I would be suspended for posting something that is running around the teen grid...

I raised the issue with several people, but didn't get very far. Blue did ask to see the original thread, but I don't even know where it is. Not that it matters anyway. Sorry that you got screwed over on this one, Sensual, you didn't deserve it.

Here is the original thread /108/79/113371/1.html the pictures have been removed... and I am afraid to even post urls to those pictures...

Heh, you just embarrassed LL and possibly opened them up to litigation plus a whole host of other problems and you think they are going to act rationally? Had there been a perfectly acceptable picture I am sure there would still have been a locked thread and little worker Lindens stirred up like an ant hill under a lawnmower.

*Sniffs and wipes a tear from her eye* Our babies are growing up and showing so much talent.

That is actually what I think too - that Sensual was made an example in this case because the subject matter was embarassing to LL and their much vaunted Teen Grid. As I said in the original thread, I have been surprised by a lot of things I have learned about the teen grid, including how easy it is for an adult to access it. Definitely not the locked down, safe environment it is portrayed to be.

I posted about this to Second Life Answers.

I noticed earlier that Torley has responded. She essentially said that yes, things are inconsistent, but that the people working on the forums are human.

It is, nonetheless, unacceptable to me that so much goes untouched - like, for example, horrible personal attacks, hostile invitations for people to f themselves, or truly distasteful discussions of wire coathanger and prim baby abortions, and other such things with no merit beyond shock value.

It is unacceptable to me that Sensual got suspended for this, even taking into consideration that the pixel picture should not have been posted, nor should the questioning thread have appeared, according to the rules. But I feel like, what do the rules matter when their enforcement is completely arbitrary? Her actions were far more sincere and far less hostile than are the verbal attacks using profanity which they refuse to punish.

In a more humane environment, they could have merely asked her to remove the picture. On Stratics, for TSO, they would often do the simple thing - ask the person to remove whatever it was.

That would be after all a lot simpler than SUSPENDING someone for something like this, when other people get to call each other all manner of horrible things and curse each other out all they desire. It's insane, pure and simple. Gah . . .you got me going again.

Anyway, to sum up, it's a travesty that this happened. It's crazed when some reports of obvious violations of the TSO get tossed into the circular file, while others get sudden and severe punishment, like Sensual.

And I would like to tell those who don't know, who think it must somehow make more sense than it does, that it doesn't. There is no particular order or number of informal warnings, warnings, suspensions, and so forth.

NONE.

You can't assume that someone who gets suspended must surely have had a number of warnings in the past, working up to the suspension. It's not true.

In my own case, I went straight to a formal warning. After that, it was a three-day suspension.

They will not tell you what you received the warning or suspension for, either. God knows what sort of reasoning THAT is.

So don't assume that someone suspended has already been warned a number of times.

Don't assume, either, that a person who is suspended will get to see the cornfield. That is reserved for "white collar criminals," such as those who intentionally break the rules, such as selling items in the welcome area despite being warned several times to stop - not big-time baddies like me.

coco

Well said, Cocoanut, I am just curious about one thing. I have seen you mention the cornfield on more than one occasion - why are you so pissed off that you didn't get to go there?

Introduces Coco....no she can't stay on topic, she has many axes to grind.

But dear Coco do you see how your FIC rule is shot to shit?