what the big deal about furry's ?

lolol nope jest litting you all know more about my self,
I am haveing fun with this thread, if you could only see my face..
some of you seem to think , i set at home wearing a fur suit, drink out of a dog bowl,
i dont think i am a animal. dont think i have a spirt of lassy in me, heh

being a furry is more for rpging, one of many hoddy,s
but the one thing i do want to point out you look at some people profile thay have anti furrie group , or there is one for anti vampire group,
i my self think why attack a group if they are not hurting anyone, why should you care :0
allso i think people need to learn all thay can about a group befor attacking them.

My personal apology to empty-eyed humans and anyone else I don't understand.

I once met a female avatar that had incredibly long legs. IRL legs never got me excited, so to be honest, seeing this avatar with such long legs just looked obscene and unnatural to me.

We were having a conversation and somehow i felt compelled to complement her avatar, even though I really didn't like it.

So that's what I did.

And I've felt dirty ever since.

btw, I'm a ruggedly nerdy, nature-loving, short, un-buffed up human with piercingly thoughtful eyes and nipples.

Oh, I have many reasons why I'm in a group called 'Anti-furry'. The main reason is to stop furries from thinking that is ok to start molesting me because my avatar wears kitty ears. If you want to know every reason why I dislike furries then we can talk about it in SL, not in this thread.

LOL suure ill log on now if you on

I am. But I don't want you telling me "Nuh uh, furries don't do that", specially when it's something that applies to you.

respectfully disagree.

Look. there's the race thing alright, and that's a RL legal thing.

Then there's SL which is a different ball of wax.

This discussion is in the SL forums which means that it falls under TOS.

and TOS is a totally different beast from US discrimination or any other RL law.

LL has proven two things:

1) They have balls.
2) The balls phase in and out of time/space at unpredictable intervals.

Tren, I don't think you quite understand what I am saying. Our behaviour (as a group, forget outliers etc) is lawful. We are for the most part respectful of the choices of others. I, for one, have no feeling of superiority to any other group. I freely talk to and associate with all others willing to do the same. I just can't see the point in spite or disharmony for its own sake. It achieves nothing except to upset or depress the victim and to make the perpetrator out to be a fool, or worse.

I think your comparison with the KKK is unfair, to say the least. You seem to want to inflame this discussion. That's fine, but I have no interest in continuing if that is all it is about. The others have already made the point that furs do not generally cause harm to others, and that it is not valid to judge one group (furs) by extremes unless you are willing to judge all groups using the same measure. If you apply that argument to any group you are going to find extremes of behaviour which do not represent the overall nature of the group.

I can guarantee you that if I chose to wear a human av you would not be able to pick me as a fur. Nor would you be able to tell in RL that I was a fur unless I chose to disclose it to you. You would most likely talk to me as much as you would any other human. So what difference does it make whether I choose to appear with a furry av? Is it simply that - the appearance?

As for your point about societal approval - last time I checked, societal approval was not a prerequisite or requirement for forming any type of group. Nor is it even necessarily desirable. In my experience, societal approval is very much a lowest-common-denominator anyway. Does society approve of ravers? Masons? Hippies? Yet I doubt that in this day members of these groups would be vilified in the street by strangers.

Particularly interesting is this comment you make:

"Being that furries are placed inside of our society but do things that we find socially unacceptable, that are free targets for discrimination"

I could cite extremist behaviour throughout history that would invalidate this statement very simply, but I refuse to descend to that level of argument. Let me just say that very similar statements have been made in reference to just about every harmless minority group in history starting with the Neanderthals and passing through Muslims, Catholics, Jews, Aborigines, Africans, Poles and so on.

An instructive point can be derived from this: What "society" believes to be correct and right-thinking cannot always be considered the inviolate truth.

Although it's frequently true, this statement is a poor argument and a bad way to end the post.

You've got a much stronger case than this. The TOS supports you at every turn. Whether or not "society" thinks one thing or not is irrelevant.

You have a right to enjoy your SecondLife. If you generalize the TOS, that's it. As long as you don't grief or disturb others directly, you're golden.

People seem to read much more and much less into this depending on their viewpoint.

Basically, everyone has a right to do whatever they want as long as they don't infringe on other peoples right to do what they want.

apostrophe police, put me in cuffs!

You really are taking my words and putting your own spin on them. It's really really late, so I'll just say this. Nothing I said was hateful to furries. I pointed out that they do things that the masses consider socially unacceptable, thus are prone to "discrimination". No more, no less. I compared furries to the KKK because the KKK does things that the masses see as 'unfit', not because they go around commiting hate crimes. If anything I said was taken as anti furry in this thread, then you took my meaning the wrong way.

Heheh you are absolutely right Shack, conclusions have never been my strong point. And I'm not one to use a single word when three will do! But I never really like relying on fairly arbitrary rules like the TOS to support my arguments. I prefer to get back to fundamental human values. Of course, this can get me in trouble as I am somewhat optimistic regarding human nature. And often disappointed.

No words. Not sure if you're an insensitive prick or a moron.

Well, would you explain at least? Every post has been "Furries don't do hate crimes like the KKK", which I agree completely. They don't.

To even bring the KKK into this discussion was unwise.

In this forum, I see that now. There wouldn't be a problem if people actually read what people wrote instead of seeing a word and going nuts about it.

That's where you're wrong. I'm leaning toward insensitivity now. Maybe you're not a moron.

If you want to communicate, then you need to understand the words that you are using and what they mean to others.

Since I'm insensitive, I'll be frank. You're an idiot. It will be alot easier if I left it at that.

From the OP:

It's all goodness. Seriously, the forums are a place where words must be chosen carefully. And you can't expect people to magically understand what you mean. It isn't sufficient to say, "It's your fault! You didn't hear what I said." Sometimes, you have to step up to the plate and accept that you could have made your point better.

Like so many forum discussions, I see people getting hot and many times for apparently no reason. Somehow emotions kick in and people feel a personal investment in what they've already said. It's a little bit absurd.

But I love you guys.

It's a perfect thread, too. You've got the humorous trolls at the beginning before it degenerates into chaos.

Well, I am unilaterally declaring Furrydom the winner tonight on a TKO. I think we can all agree that the furries = KKK variation is strategically unsustainable.

See everyone back here same time tomorrow for round 682?

I'm there... I'm all in need of more rounds of people nto really listening to each other and only taking up what makes a good counter argument from the other person's post. I'm probally guilty of this too... in fact, I think this thread needs a good resetting. Tren really isn't a bad guy, though you got to admit, you are going to shuffle up a few folk knowing your history for disliking a certain group, even though I only take as much offence to it as if you proudly proclaim your hate toards Detroit Lions fans or Trombonists... it hurts, but it doesn't hurt enough to keep one up at night.

I do have to agree with Tren that taking a counter argument to "furries are like the KKK because they both perform acts that are socially interceptable" that is "we don't do hate crimes" is like taking a counter argument to "furries are like fruit" being "No we're not, we don't grow on trees."

Yeah. We know. It was never intended and was stated that it never was like that. I could see you guys getting mad if she ACTUALLY compared you to the KKK but she compared you to society's view of the KKK, there's a difference. So when Tren says "Societies view of the KKK=Societies view of Furries" at no point did it ever amount to in ANY way "KKK=Furries" so if you want to keep arguing that point, that's great, but it was never up for debate and continually stating it is asanine. You can declare winners over that or whatever all you want, but you're talking about something that was never actually said in the thread.

Nor am I arguing that point... Trust me, I'm not at all... I just said it was ackwardly phrased and misuderstood to high heck, is all...

Yes, that is why I can only award a TKO. But I think you (and Tren) are cutting a fine distinction...society only hates KKK because of what they do. I don't think you can separate a group and its activities and the simple fact is that furries generally don't hurt anyone else - the KKK demonstrably does.

I am true to my words Artemis. I don't get 'het up' about these debates, I have been having them for a long..LONG.. time! In fact, I really enjoy the opportunity to stretch my intellectual muscles in aid of a cause that I believe in. So thanks to you and Tren for that. As I say, I am happy to discuss my furrydom with anyone in future, especially if it gives people a better understanding of where I am coming from. But, probably, who cares? If people are furry, they will already know what I mean and I would be preaching to the converted. If they aren't furry, they may not be able to relate to my tale, so why bother?

But that is really the point, I guess. If I am having fun, enjoying myself and not bothering others, why not just let me do that without calling me a retard or being otherwise derogatory? I don't ask much, just to receive as I give. And I give my affection to all in SL, human, fur, Gorean, vampire, jedi, ageplayer, land baron, creator, weaponsman, mafia, dancer, linden, etc. There is space for us all here. Why don't we leave that RL bullshit behind us where it belongs?