what the big deal about furry's ?

well maybe try and be nice and not attack something you know nothing about
I try and like evarone in SL humens, furrie, kids, dragons, slave people, geeks.vampires .

Maybe if you would read what I was saying and not what you wanted to hear, things would go swimmingly.

LOL i Have readed evarthing you posted,if it was not for the fact you keep trying to
make furries out to be something we are not, i would like ya, you have been fun, evan upset me a coulp of times. i have read your profile, it said your in a anti furrie group, then you turn around and try and say we are like the KKK, we do not hate anyone is SL you do.
you think you know what being a fur is,, you don't.
LOL i would love to meet you someday in SL, it would be a blast

Jesus. I understand if you didn't understand what I was saying the first time. But by the third time you still don't understand... well, let me just repeat it.

"KKK was just an example of a group that the mainstream thinks does socially unacceptable things, not for what that group actually does that makes them socially unacceptable."

lol i understand, but pointing out the fact...lol and i am pointing out you do not know what being a furrie is, socially unacceptable how so ?
being a furrie is more rpging, we dont sleep with animals, you really need to go to one of the 100 furrie Kons and learn what a furrie is . last one i want to there was 2000 people there. do,s not sound like it socially unacceptable to me

You are so god damn dumb, it's unblievable.

And trust me, I know a hell of alot about furries. Ginko, the group I'm around most is mostly furries {or was anyways}, as well as our old sim that used to house alot of furries. This is from two years of expirence, I'm not blindly putting hate out there.

Also, I know alot about furry cons. About 6 or so members told me about the fur con they went to where they held a SL booth/demo. Large men in dresses, people using hot tubs as a subsitution for bathing, and following people into their rooms when they weren't even invited. Those are some socially unacceptable things, that that's just what they do in real life and doesn't even touch the furry role playing. It is socially unacceptable rather you think so or not, because your opinion doesn't create social standards.

LOL told you. hmm you are hear all the bed stuff,
you take anything, lit say trekys . i know lot of cool ones, but i allso know of the ones who.
have sex in ST unaforms , run around Naket at kons, evarthing has its darker side.
allso guys dress in drag all the time. it is not a furrie thing.
i my self, i yiffy some but not at Kons and only with my love.
I do not wear a fur suit. i am bi, but i was bi befor i was into furries.

About a convention, from heresay even. So, a few of the exceptionally weird people that attend a convention, events that are renound for attracting extremists for almost every interest they cover, suddenly represent an entire group of people? I guess I might as well judge all christians by looking at the Phelps family, or americans by looking at the prisons, judge homosexuals from the strange display of leather and kinks often seen in parades, or even pro-lifers by the people that bomb clinics? Every group has people that take it too far, but those people hardly represent the whole.

AGREE

It's funny how you took a quote out of context, then followed up on it like you were writing something insightful. If you read my whole post, and read what it was replying to {the quote you took being a reply to the person telling me that I don't know anything about fur cons}, you would understand that those few examples didn't mean that every furry ever falls under them.

I'm going to agree with Tren on this and that there's really not a qualifier in this either.

I see the KKK and furry comparison (even though it's being misinterpreted) not as what the particular groups do but how they're seen by the vast majority of the people not involved in these groups, and that is it's seen in an air of "That's not right." People don't look at the "Steam Train Enthusiasts" as socially unacceptable. At worst it's a bit odd. But you look at furries at worst (in terms of the eyes of those outside the community) involves expensive fur-suits with strategically placed holes, an almost religious philosophy that dictates that they're not really humans but animals in human bodies, and quite possibly have a whole slew of fetishes most people would never concieve.

You also seem to take the word "Opinion" as "Insult", i've stated my opinion here of furries, and it has been somewhat negative but I wouldn't say it was insulting.

But even in a situation where a person is being insulting that doesn't give you the right to cry "discrimination!". Speaking of Steam Train Enthusiasts, if I went up to a steam train enthusiasts and gave negative opinions of his hobby (as opposed to "lifestyle" as furries would call what they do), he wouldn't scream out "discrimination!" atleast not if he wanted to be taken seriously.

You have the right to give your opinions on the aryan race-like clones in Second Life if you want, you just have to be ready to defend your opinions.

And I give about as much stock to the people who say "I was born a furry" as to those who say "I was born a Pistons fan". It's just one of those things that people like to think is true so they feel an extra connection to their particular hobby than the other people.

LOL agein you never been to a kon,, 2000 people at one furrie kon, well the #s speak for them selfs

I should point out to you that in terms of world, country, and city numbers 2000 people is fairly insignificant. But yes, I see your point. Mass numbers do make it right. By this logic alone, we should follow communism since they have over a billion people associated to the cause, or perhaps nazism which in it's hayday had somewhere over 60 million. Now before you start saying i'm comparing furries to nazis or communism, all I'm doing is expanding upon your logic that numbers equals right, ESPECIALLY concerning a rationally small number like 2000 in a country of over 750,000,000.

What i'm saying here is, NOT that people follow it, i'm aware that there is a large furry fandom. But what goes on in the furry fandom is not something you could take into real life public and expect to NOT be arrested and thrown in jail.

I also understand that like in all large groups there are gradients. But I will say in terms of gradients of those surpassing social taboos, Furries in particular tend to jump that line with a lot more gusto and zeal.

It is indeed in context. You state that you've been around 'furries' for two years, on SecondLife. Thats all fine. I didn't touch it, because there isn't much to argue, as you really didn't provide much information. Yeah, two years, I gotcha, because numbers count as knowledge and all.

However, you then use a story you heard from some friends about happenings at a convention, then you apply it to the entire group, "those are some socially unacceptable things, that that's just what they do in real life and doesn't even touch the furry role playing." They? Who? The few people that actually did these acts, or the whole demography they're a part of? Judging from the context, being your earlier posts, you are indeed trying to cover the entire demography with this example, because if you weren't, you wouldn't have brang this example up in the firstplace. 'Furries are unwashed, perverse, animal-fuckers with poor social skills, and thus should be shunned! Yatta yatta.' I get it.

Thanks.

The only thing I am arguing against in this thread is this furry feeling of importance.

What I mean to say is that some furries seem to believe that because they have deviated so far from social norms and have enveloped themself in furry culture to the point of believing themselves to being a furry from birth, or not being a human at all; that furries have begun this idea that they deserve to be treated differently than other online cultures and such. That because of these aforementioned figures some of them seem to be under the impression that they are their own people, and thus are protected under ideas like "racial descrimation".

Just because you drop 2000 dollars on a used themepark outfit and go to a con full of like people, does not mean you have the right to claim you're being descriminated against when someone calls that weird.

You would be correct, if that was what I was actually saying. No, what I was saying was that furries do socially unacceptable things, thus get discriminated. Nothing more, nothing less. My reply about cons was to Saur and their thought process of "Alot of people go to fur cons, so it isn't socially unacceptable", and how that logic doesn't fly.

LOLOL first off , i do not clam to be a animal in real would second, look updescrimanated ageinst. you do not have to be a races to be descrimanated ageins.. LOL silly

What Art was saying is that you belong in our society no matter how different you think you are, thus still under the same social standards set for everybody else. When you do something that is out of the ordinary compared to someone who doesn't belong to the furry group, you are going to be called on it.

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I can no longer stand idly by while you butcher the written English language. If you're to subject us to the horror that is your words, the least you could do is type them correctly.

My words end here.

-Hinoserm

Honestly now, if you're not going to read and/or comprehend what is being said to you, then I see no point in replying to you. If you wish to categorize yourself into the "Some furries do this" category I put out there, that's fine, but otherwise I made no such accusations about your own philosophical beliefs which may or may not be linked to furries.

"Discrimination" as a word is largely associated with race and social class. While you are correct in saying that discrimination is not localized in the racial relations, it is almost entirely localized in ones that are not entirely a choice such as the above. Like I mentioned before, if I don't like say "Steam train engineers" as aforementioned, it's not discrimination, it's opinionative differences. It'd be ridiculous to call it discrimination.

i am adding this,
I Am a furrie in SL , but i do not think i am a real animal or half animal.
I yiff my love in second life, but i do not do beastly IRW Or SL.
I Go to Kons sometimes, but i do not wear a fur suit or doing anything like sex at kon
I am as norm as any one you know .
i get up go to work, after work go out with my freinds, then come home and play in here or Wow..

That's...uh....great. You've vivaciously defended yourself against the vicious attacks no one made. Now if you'd like to direct your attention to the actual discussion being typed on the boards here that'd be wonderful.

That's actually is pretty interesting. I figure it has alot to do with the self-imposed segregation seen with alot of 'furry,' for lack of a better term to cover the culture, expecially on the internet. Furry livejournal-esque sites, furry deviantart-esque sites, furry newssources, furry personals (o.O), furry 4chan, furry sims, etc. I'd venture to say the internet has been used by this group extensivley, and probably much more than most other fandoms. Mixed with the excapist tendacies of some, it doesn't seem too far-fetched to figure someone could completley bury themself within this e-culture, and probably get lost in it. This could easily reinforce them feeing truly 'different.'

Of course, theres also the 'spiritual' camp that gets covered by the term furry. They seem to actually boarder on being a religion, due to totem-animals and such. This group would probably respond as you describe too, expecially if they really believe in it. Saying its a decision is like telling a strong Christian Christ isn't within them, or whatever. It's more complex.

And I was making a point that your assumption that furries in general do socially unacceptable things isn't really that founded. Thanks for completley letting the thing fly over your head.

Well, if you take a good look at Furry pyschology. There's a strong will for disconnection of human society and terms. In a light example, in some furry places they can be very anti-human. This is of course, most likely a minority, but I don't think it's a minority because they have a dislike for humans, but that they take it to extremes.

Furry culture and fantasy in a whole is one of the few if not only fantasies that bases around an almost complete disconnection of human allegiences. Even space fantasies where people desire to be alien races, they tend to keep human likeness in ever sense except one or two (i.e. pointy ears, green skin, etc.). Furrys on the other hand have only one likeness to humanity, and that is bipedal movement and body shape, just about everything else is different, and body shape and bipedal movement aren't even concrete (hence Feral furries, which are exactly the same thing as the animals they represent pretty much). Another thing comes down to terminology, wherein Furries have created a lot of their own words for human functions that disconnect them from human functions, most predominant: sex is called yiffing (the sound foxes make while having sex), this is, as Saur showed something that is not limited to just furry enviornments and online worlds, but something that is also used to describe real world sex between two people who'd consider themselves furry.

Overall I tend to find the whole thing very interesting in terms of sociological deviance.