what the big deal about furry's ?
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Jake Reitveld
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06-30-2006 12:10
Well I have a feeling if the furries would shut up about the goreans and the ageplayers, then they would not be so picked on. Of course I am niether furry, gorean or age player and thus I feel free to persecute as needed.  Being emperor has its priviledges. In all seriousness though, when you post about how ageplay sex is a sick perversion, then you open the door to the fact that yffing, in the eyes of many, is a sick perversion. thus the old adage: people in glass houses should not throw stones.
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Artemis Fate
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06-30-2006 12:12
From: Jake Reitveld Well I have a feeling if the furries would shut up about the goreans and the ageplayers, then they would not be so picked on. Of course I am niether furry, gorean or age player and thus I feel free to persecute as needed.  Being emperor has its priviledges. In all seriousness though, when you post about how ageplay sex is a sick perversion, then you open the door to the fact that yffing, in the eyes of many, is a sick perversion. thus the old adage: people in glass houses should not throw stones. I wonder then, if a furry gorean ageplayer is the harking of the apocalypse?
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Belaya Statosky
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06-30-2006 12:13
From: Artemis Fate I wonder then, if a furry gorean ageplayer is the harking of the apocalypse? Just the next episode of CSI. P.S. You're one post away from 666, Art. Good timing.
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Artemis Fate
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06-30-2006 12:25
From: Belaya Statosky Just the next episode of CSI.
P.S. You're one post away from 666, Art. Good timing. Oh good god, the end is NIGH! REPENT SINNERS! 
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Belaya Statosky
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06-30-2006 12:28
From: Artemis Fate Oh good god, the end is NIGH! REPENT SINNERS!  I only hope my 666th post will be that terrifying.
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jrrdraco Oe
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06-30-2006 13:12
From: nimrod Yaffle It's ok. You're not the first person to see something on TV that is false and sterotype people with it.  ] O I love the media, they always show the inoffensive true about the big evil plot.
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Miles Edgeworth
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06-30-2006 13:17
hey guys I heard someone might not like furries
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Marcus Moreau
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06-30-2006 13:24
From: Miles Edgeworth hey guys I heard someone might not like furries Some people -love- furries... if ya get my drift. *nudge* *nudge* MM
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Strife Onizuka
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06-30-2006 15:33
In my travels though SL, I've seen just about everything and met all sorts of people. The common thread is that people are generally good, even the people who's kinks I don't like. I've met my fair share of degenerates, but they don't gather in groups (or if they do, LL mass bans them). There are good people and bad people in all groups. Like eggs at the super market, rarely are any broken and at most one in a pack (unless they were dropped or abused).
All debates about groups of people boil down to this: Is it social acceptable to discriminate them and how much?
As a society, we have decided that discrimination is not acceptable. The only forms of discrimination that are allowed is criminal (in the eyes of the court). With a criminal record it's hard to get a job and banned from voting. But even so there are groups & government organizations setup to look after them. On the whole, as a society, we are about equality and fair treatment.
Is it socially acceptable to discriminate furs? It's no different then discrimination based on skin pigmentation.
There will always be vocal minorities that feel there is some part of society that is undeserving. And to those minorities we need to remind that is not how our society works.
I can understand peoples disgust but in the sceme of things there are far worse things going on (like rape, misappropriation of minors & animals).
Some guidance: If the particpants are informed & legaly concenting; then really the public shouldn't get involved. (by "legaly concenting", i mean they can and do legaly concent to what they are getting involved with).
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Tren Neva
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06-30-2006 15:55
This thread wasn't created about discrimination, it was made because the thread starter lacked logic or the ability to understand that their arguement about age players and furries were the same.
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Artemis Fate
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06-30-2006 16:22
From: Strife Onizuka Is it socially acceptable to discriminate furs? It's no different then discrimination based on skin pigmentation.
Actually it's very different and statements like these are one thing that irks me about furries. You guys are not a race. There's a large difference between the two in that you at some point in your life, made a choice to be a furry and join said community. At no point does a person make a choice to be white, or black, or whatever. Another thing is how ready many furs are to go to said argument above when someone questions their actions or likes. Seems like anytime someone mentions furs in a negative way it's screams of "Discrimination!". We're allowed to have our opinions on your culture, and if you guys are going to run around in a diaper, or as a four legged taur, or with a bulge in both the shorts and shirts, you better be ready to hear said opinions. So before you pull out the Martin Lu-fur King speech, think about the differences in this, if you want to do furry stuff whatever, just expect to hear opinions, both positive and negative.
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Miles Edgeworth
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06-30-2006 16:29
From: Strife Onizuka Is it socially acceptable to discriminate furs? Yes.
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Lordfly Digeridoo
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06-30-2006 16:36
From: Artemis Fate Actually it's very different and statements like these are one thing that irks me about furries. You guys are not a race. There's a large difference between the two in that you at some point in your life, made a choice to be a furry and join said community. At no point does a person make a choice to be white, or black, or whatever.
Another thing is how ready many furs are to go to said argument above when someone questions their actions or likes. Seems like anytime someone mentions furs in a negative way it's screams of "Discrimination!". We're allowed to have our opinions on your culture, and if you guys are going to run around in a diaper, or as a four legged taur, or with a bulge in both the shorts and shirts, you better be ready to hear said opinions.
So before you pull out the Martin Lu-fur King speech, think about the differences in this, if you want to do furry stuff whatever, just expect to hear opinions, both positive and negative. Coupled with this and Artemis's previous post, I think it's safe to say she's won this thread. And maybe the internet.
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Talon Lardner
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06-30-2006 17:09
From: Artemis Fate Actually it's very different and statements like these are one thing that irks me about furries. You guys are not a race. There's a large difference between the two in that you at some point in your life, made a choice to be a furry and join said community. At no point does a person make a choice to be white, or black, or whatever.
Another thing is how ready many furs are to go to said argument above when someone questions their actions or likes. Seems like anytime someone mentions furs in a negative way it's screams of "Discrimination!". We're allowed to have our opinions on your culture, and if you guys are going to run around in a diaper, or as a four legged taur, or with a bulge in both the shorts and shirts, you better be ready to hear said opinions.
So before you pull out the Martin Lu-fur King speech, think about the differences in this, if you want to do furry stuff whatever, just expect to hear opinions, both positive and negative. Double quoted for truth! Sometimes you got to take the lumps people give you, is all. If someone doesn't know you, and only knows you based on what you look like, guess what? They are going to base their opinions on that. If it is a good opinion, so be it. If it is a bad one... so what? Shop elsewhere, spend your money elsewhere... not your fault that they don't like your business or your company.
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Tod69 Talamasca
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06-30-2006 19:03
If it wasnt for SL I wouldn't have known wtf a Furry is. Or gorean. And now I know. Still dont have a problem with it. It all makes the world a lil' more interesting 
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Vonn Neumann
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06-30-2006 19:55
From: Enoch Figtree Yeah... I hate to say stuff about things I don't understand, but I was just really disturbed by that party/orgy scene in CSI las vegas where there was some furry convention Yes, well, I've got a mate who got his medical degree from watching CSI episodes so it must be totally credible. And my other friend became a psychologist after watching Dr Phil... From: Enoch Figtree and all the furries/furrys were feeling each other up in the mist of trance music. Wow those CRAZY, DIRTY furs...I've never seen HUMANS feeling each other up while listening to trance music of course... XD
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Tren Neva
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06-30-2006 20:13
We already know that it's silly, Vonn. Furries are too afraid of real life contact to touch each other.
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Vonn Neumann
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06-30-2006 20:58
From: Artemis Fate Actually it's very different and statements like these are one thing that irks me about furries. You guys are not a race. There's a large difference between the two in that you at some point in your life, made a choice to be a furry and join said community. At no point does a person make a choice to be white, or black, or whatever.
Perhaps it isn't a question of discrimination - everyone is entitled to their opinion etc. - but one of politeness. Many times it seems that basic courtesy is left behind when people venture their opinions. More often than not, the less well formed the opinion, the greater the degree of rudeness expressed. Take another example: Steam train enthusiasts. I am by no means a stream train enthusiast, privately I might find the idea a little silly or whatever. However, would it be OK for me to walk up to what is essentially a total stranger in a public place and say to him "steam train enthusiasts are retards"? In my opinion it would be downright rude and ignorant to do so. Now substitute "fur" for "steam train enthusiast" and you have the exact situation I was faced with in the Ahern WA the other night. Does it bother me? Not particularly, I am big enough to look after myself. This does not take away from the fact that it was rude and unnecessary behaviour. Let's say I found the beautiful, tall, buffed up and empty-eyed human avs that many choose to be vaguely ridiculous - would it be OK for me to ridicule them at will? Can I make fun of their lifestyle choices? If I did, who would it degrade more - them or me? And in the end, would we all be better off or worse off as a result of this behaviour? PS another day I am happy to debate whether I made a choice to be a fur or whether I was born that way 
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Tren Neva
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06-30-2006 21:13
From: Vonn Neumann Perhaps it isn't a question of discrimination - everyone is entitled to their opinion etc. - but one of politeness. Many times it seems that basic courtesy is left behind when people venture their opinions. More often than not, the less well formed the opinion, the greater the degree of rudeness expressed. Take another example: Steam train enthusiasts. I am by no means a stream train enthusiast, privately I might find the idea a little silly or whatever. However, would it be OK for me to walk up to what is essentially a total stranger in a public place and say to him "steam train enthusiasts are retards"? In my opinion it would be downright rude and ignorant to do so. Now substitute "fur" for "steam train enthusiast" and you have the exact situation I was faced with in the Ahern WA the other night. Does it bother me? Not particularly, I am big enough to look after myself. This does not take away from the fact that it was rude and unnecessary behaviour. Let's say I found the beautiful, tall, buffed up and empty-eyed human avs that many choose to be vaguely ridiculous - would it be OK for me to ridicule them at will? Can I make fun of their lifestyle choices? If I did, who would it degrade more - them or me? And in the end, would we all be better off or worse off as a result of this behaviour? PS another day I am happy to debate whether I made a choice to be a fur or whether I was born that way  No, a steam train enthusiast and a furry aren't the same thing. Furriess have a completely different social and culture system where steam train enthustiast just really likes trains. Being that furries are placed inside of our society but do things that we find socially unacceptable, that are free targets for discrimination. A better example to compare furries with is the 'KKK', where they do things that society around them finds unacceptable.
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Talon Lardner
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06-30-2006 21:37
Damn... I thought we were having a nice debate going on, and Tren had to go and botch it all up with some low blow personal attacks and stereotyping... couldn't we keep this civil, or would that mean actually risking a reputation for blindly hating something (as one openly states in his profile)
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Tren Neva
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06-30-2006 21:49
From: Talon Lardner Damn... I thought we were having a nice debate going on, and Tren had to go and botch it all up with some low blow personal attacks and stereotyping... couldn't we keep this civil, or would that mean actually risking a reputation for blindly hating something (as one openly states in his profile) That wasn't my intention, I would merely correcting him saying that a train group isn't the right group to use for comparing. You could use any group you want that does a something that the society that it's based in doesn't approve of. I really don't see how that was a low blow personal attack.
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Dusty Copeland
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06-30-2006 22:06
From: Tren Neva No, a steam train enthusiast and a furry aren't the same thing. Furriess have a completely different social and culture system where steam train enthustiast just really likes trains. Being that furries are placed inside of our society but do things that we find socially unacceptable, that are free targets for discrimination. A better example to compare furries with is the 'KKK', where they do things that society around them finds unacceptable. Uhm, your comparison of Furries to the 'KKK' is a bit far fetched, I myself am a furry and I dont go around spreading hate against certain people or killing people based on their ethnic background. The only reason furries are descriminated against is that they are the minority's of the subculture, look at the star trek/wars fans, they're too numerous to target and they can be just as weird as furries can.
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Tren Neva
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06-30-2006 22:15
From: Dusty Copeland Uhm, your comparison of Furries to the 'KKK' is a bit far fetched, I myself am a furry and I dont go around spreading hate against certain people or killing people based on their ethnic background. The only reason furries are descriminated against is that they are the minority's of the subculture, look at the star trek/wars fans, they're too numerous to target and they can be just as weird as furries can. KKK was just an example of a group that the mainstream thinks does socially unacceptable things, not for what that group actually does that makes them socially unacceptable.
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Saur Holt
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06-30-2006 22:17
From: Dusty Copeland Uhm, your comparison of Furries to the 'KKK' is a bit far fetched, I myself am a furry and I dont go around spreading hate against certain people or killing people based on their ethnic background. The only reason furries are descriminated against is that they are the minority's of the subculture, look at the star trek/wars fans, they're too numerous to target and they can be just as weird as furries can. I agree with ya, i am a furry , we dont hate races, allso i looked at her profile she is in a (anti furrie group), to me it sounds like she would fit more in to the KKK, then us furries would.
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Tren Neva
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06-30-2006 22:19
I don't even know how to talk to you people.
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