Role Play In Second Life.

Now, I done Role Play in previous game I had played. In Second Life that seem to go maybe a bit farther, or so it seems to me at this point. I have a friend who is currently doing Gorean Role play who have the idea that she isn’t allow off the Gorean Sim, which to me seem completely ridiculous, and have to remain Role Play in that sim for her whole Second Life experience?

I always thought that, Role Play is by choice, and one can stop role play for the day to enjoy aspect of other things in the game (ex: Second Life), I figure this Rules still apply to this as well.

This isn’t an argument about how Gorean Role Player do thing, for all I know THIS is how they like their Role play, or that’s just how hardcore role players like to do things. Either way I’m a bit confused.

Any role players like to explain why someone would have the idea that he or she isn’t allow off the Role Play Sim? In this case, a Gorean Sim.

Well, it's entirely possible the person has an alt for non-Gorean things, though not being privy to the original discussion I could be just talking out my ass.

All of SL is a giant RPG depending on your perception. (There are arguments back and forth, I say to each his own) There is gorean rp (and you can be 'out of character' off gorean sims and its your choice), darklife, elven/orc, vampyr, you name it. Gorean rp is just the best one I've seen setting wise..

Take your pick, look up darklife for more standard fantasy fare, or Elvenglen for elf and orc. I believe Elvenglen accepts 'allies' such as goblins ogres and humans amongst others as well. Both Darklife and elven feature signature health systems too, and standardized combat tools (with a 'dead' animation that keeps you of of the game for a few minutes if I recall right).

Roleplaying is all what the roleplayer makes of it. There are only as many limits as they believe there are. There are of course people at opposite extremes of the spectrum that believe their definition of RP is the only definition, and will criticize or flat-out attack anyone who doesn't agree with them.

Like any other situation, all you can do is decide what is best for you in terms of having a good time RPing. After all, why do it if it isn't enjoyable to you?

It sounds like your friend enjoys that type of role play which is to pretend that she has rules to live by while in SL. Currently your friend wishes to play by their rules. This meets your friend's needs but may not meet yours. In which case, you have to decide, do you stay with her in her sim under their rules and play or do you move along, find other friends and other activities to meet your needs. SL is a big world with as many lifestyles to match. The key is for you to have fun!

Thanks for all that responsed to this topic!!!

She's probably becoming a Slave which has an extensive "training" to it.

During this time the slaves are expected to study gorean aspects and philosophy and they're not allowed to leave. Basically this is done this way to mentally break down the person so they begin to think as a gorean and think like a slave girl, take away their sense of independence, and redefine their values to have it be "Gorean Slavery is right and normal 'vanilla' people are wrong, I am woman and I am nothing but property to the superior men".

The thing is, Goreans aren't always roleplaying, often times they think and believe what they read in the books, and act it out in all non-roleplaying seriousness in RL. They more operate more like a cult than a roleplay sim.

Which presumably means "if they want to remain part of the Gorean community", since they can't actually be prevented from leaving. (I know you probably realize that, but someone new might not.)

All it takes is using a secondlife:// url or a slurl, or changing your home location to log in somewhere else next time. Or an alt. Or a random teleport invitation. Or looking something up in the Find menu, or someone's Picks. Or any number of things.

Right of course, they could teleport out too but they'd be banned. It's not scripts it's other goreans, if they get caught outside the sim they're shunned from the community.

being seen outside gor sims = ban is an EXTREME case, and I can assure one one not any of the sim rps that I've been to used..

As with any rp sim group - if you want to be out of character while spending your lindens at a casiono, you are free to. No, you don't have to give your ol master all your money. If you want to give him your lindens that you have gottne in tips in the gor rp, feel free, but theres no way he can force you to give anything.

Replace 'mistress' with master and its the same situation. They cant confine you accept in rp and in character, and they can't make demands outside of it..it reminds me of msn gor and gcn gor trying to say you can't have so and so on your msn messenger..its not part of the game (unless you make it part of it, and only you can, not an owner)

Right, and a cult CANT force a person to donate their house and car to the cult, though they sometimes do and we should support that right?

I have seen Masters that demand that their slaves give them all their money based on the principle that slaves aren't allowed to carry money, if they don't then the slave would have been executed and banned from the sim (think about it as if all your friends were in one place, and one guy would and could kick you out if you don't do something, and if you were kicked out you probably wouldn't see your friends again. Not so simple as just "oh they're not forced to do it physically" now is it?). Slaves often times aren't allowed to recieve IMs from anyone during this training including friends, and sometimes after the training depending on the master they get. This is basically to seperate them from the rest of the grid and make everyone they know and like within the gor sims.

Totally agrees with Artemis Fate

Some of the role play oin sl is not to be considered lightly and have seen spill over in to rl .....

im saying just use your heads before going in to some thing ...

Or go out and reseacrh this all 1st .... before you do .....some Masters /Doms try to trap newbies ect before they now the proper knowlegde of what they are doing ..then they fall prey to it ......

i think there should be stores or even at tp stations where there is all the info avilable for newbs and old alike ...

the more we know the more power and knowledge will have to make the choice that you need to know ....

i knoiw there are some out there that are clueless to this all ... and should be public infor mation for all
Eighter it be Gor or not

every one should have the right to choose ... even thou we are all different and may not agree with some of our friends ect with what they are doing ...

and you right ART .... i have seen some with ALTS lol ....
and with a ALT they lies to every one and lie to themslefs they are leading to diferent lives ... if they cnat make up there minds then how can we trust them

*sigh* And this is why I left Gorean roleplay. Someone created that rule in the sim I was in, and even though it wouldn't directly affect me, I just can't abide being around those who see no problem with it.

Or to be more precise, this is why I left what I *thought* was role play.

A lot of people honestly believe that stuff. I don't. I can't get behind any of that (thank you, Lucifer B.)

WOW people, this totally turned in to a Gorean argument.

but i do agree, there SHOULD be a information for new comers about things that are in second life. such as gorean, D/S, and various of other RP.

i think restricting someone in a sims is way too extreme of a role play for me. that's why i couldn't get in to it when i was looking at some new roleplaying in second life.

my honest opinion? Gorean role play is all fucked up. but i am interested in reading the books tho.

It's funny how I havent seen any of that forcing..and they can't check your account. If they try to get your password, get them banned from SL..simple enough.

edit: that possibility is why I don't do gor on sl, Edward

still a little extreme if you ask me... cuckoo

I, also, totally agree with Artemis Fate.
Newbs can be recruited in the WA with the lure of roleplay and fun. The idea of being possessed or desired can be a turn on for many people.Those who pass the test of being willing to sit in a cage, progress to the next level of indoctrination.

This is pure and simple, classic brainwashing. Read the books "Captive of Gor" and "Slave Girl of Gor". They are blueprints of behavior modification. The objective being that the woman is trained to believe that her place is at a man's feet and the only thought in her mind should be to serve him as best she can. The only goal available is to become the best slave possible. This is portrayed as the path to complete fulfillment for a woman. It is, in deed, messing with people's heads and accepting the claim that Gor is about "trust" is the first step in the process.

Do a Google search on John Norman and Gor and weed through the many matches that come up. What began as fantasy books with allurring covers for pimplely faced boys has taken on a life of it's own on the internet. Take a look at the slave training pages. Look at the virtual Gor chatrooms. Read the slave forums where women ask for help to be better slaves to their masters. Look at the pictures of women who have allowed themselves to be branded.

The Gorean sims are privately owned. Linden Lab has allowed SL to be a place to explore alternative lifestyles. I will respect that, but anyone who expects me to tolerate their view of this, better be prepared to tolerate mine.

The short answer is that in it's purest form, freedom for a gorean slave to do anything is completely up to his/her master. Of course it is ultimately by choice because in SL you can simply quit the lifestyle. To each his/her own.

As for where i live, new girls who come asking for consideration are not allowed to leave the SIMs for two reasons, one is that if they go to another Gorean SIM uncollared they are subject to force collar and the second is that during the time they are being considered for the house, they are supposed to be learning basic Gorean things. I'm not sure if there is other reasons the Masters decide for that rule but i know those are the two most important ones. Not many agree with it but consider that it was the girl's choice to ask to join and it is the girl's choice to even be in Gor. The wonderful thing about SL is that there is that little "X" box at the top right hand corner of our screen.

Wanna know more? Well sorry, i'm not allowed to receive IMs (LMAO). Ahh gotta love forum fun.

Doh, first time I saw this thread. Was hoping it was advertising a new fantasy RP group. ;D



Quoi? ^^

You are just too cute *rubs under your chin*

A little creepy.

Thread necromancy is bad.

As a former Gorean slave in SL I'd like to add my opinion to this thread. In no particular order:

First of all all slaves aren't female as many imply. I was a male slave.

Second, There is no way anyone can stop you from having an alt, or even knowing you have one. I had an alt (me) for Gorean RP. That was all I used this Alt for. This was to maintain consistency in the RP. My other Alt was used for use outside the Gor RP. This is of course up to the Master or Mistress, but as has been previously said, no one has the power to enforce it, or can tell if anyone has an alt.

Third, In order for properly RP in Gor, one must know something of Gor. So therefore I was required to study Gor.

Forth, I chose to be a slave. No one forced it on me. (In the RP I was "forced", but that was the RP. I chose to RP being forced to be a slave)

Fifth, I have never heard of anyone being banned from a Gorean sim soley for going to "Urth" (The non-Gor parts of SL). In any banning I know about, something else was involved. usually griefing. Not having been to all Gorean sims, I can't say it has never happened. Just that I've never seen it. (Seems everytime someone has a dissagreement in Gor, someone goes off and opens a new sim.. there is no central Gorean government in both the books and in SL and they are often in conflict)

And for what it's worth my leaving Gor, it had nothing to do with any alleged brainwashing or cult activities. I am still friends with the owner of one of the more major Gorean sims and also with my former Mistress. I know of several female slaves who left Gor, but were not banned. I don't go to Gor that much, but it's not because of any shunning.. I simply have no desire to RP there anymore. I may visit friends now and then, and as long as I am respectful of the RP I am not hassled.

There are many fine, logical, wonderful Gor interactions.

And there are many that aren't.

Speaking of forced ko'larings...

I have heard that someone has come up with a ko'lar that can be placed on anyone without thier consent. I understand this ko'lar can only be taken off by cancelling your account. Granted, I have not actually seen one of these ko'lars as of yet (to my knowledge, I could have and not know it), however, the source of this information is one I -know- I can trust.

If such a ko'lar exists (and I would not be surprised to find they do) are any of us truly safe from forced ko'larings? Would you want to find yourself suddenly ko'lared with no warning? Do you like the idea of anyone being able to ko'lar you against your will anywhere in SL? Think about -all- of the conotations of such a thing, up to and including people leaving SL because they no longer feel reasonably safe. Not a pretty picture.