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I would be immensely surprised to find that such a thing exists. I cannot think of a possible mechanism at all, and I do not consider myself entirely inexperienced in the scripting arts. It sounds like... not urban myth, but SL myth, to me.

If anyone feels that they have such a thing, I would be delighted if they would contact me.

Eh, its Gor. A subject best avoided in general.

I'm not an SL RPer, but I do the whole texted based stuff, from time to time or even table top. I run my own MUSH (Multi-User-Shared-Halucination) of World of Darkness featuring Changeling, Mage and Shifter. I've seen people who took the system waaayyy too seriously, so it's not /just/ a Gorean thing.

On my game, I use the World of Darknes system and a lot of common sense to define how the game is handled. So my task is to keep the game fair for everyone and on a realitively sane setting. This has included in the past sitebanning people who had a lot of trouble telling In Character from Out of Character. I even had one couple, married RL, but whose characters in game had never even met before, get into an IC fight along with an OOC one due to the fact that the wife's character had slept with a totally unrelated character.

I have no idea how the SL RP groups handle the policing. But before you join ANY RP group, you should look at the system, at the people in the group and the people leading it. If any of the above seem a bit off kilter, don't join. In Second Life, no one can FORCE you do join, nor can they force you to do anything.. and if they try after a polite 'no.' AR them.

I'm not at all interested in interfering with another's consensual behaviour, Gor or not, but if there are people out there being told that they can be collared with no chance of escape... that's despicable behaviour. And also simply not true.

Whilst it's not my particular "bag" so to speak, I know reputable D/S practitioners IRL and none would ever dream of doing such a thing, lying to gain dominance.

I would be extremely surprised to find out they exist. If someone did manage to come up with a way to place an object on you without your consent which could not be removed, then that seems like it would generate a lot of ARs and concern from the Lindens.

I would not be concerned about this.


Kyushu

There is a freebie out there called a cager. I have one. If it can be used to cage someone I would think it would not be hard to modify the script. So yes I would think it possible.

No, it isn't. Really. Cages don't work when people TP out of them, or move non-physically, or a number of other things.

If anyone thinks they can put a collar like this on me they are welcome to try. I am stating here, now, that nobody can.

Rezzing an object with a cager, is not placing an attachment on the avatar, only you can attach an attachment to yourself.

Agrees with Ordinal

What about the greifer gun that places a dunce cap on the head of and balloon over the head of the person it is aimed at?

In fact I'll go so far as to say that I will deed every single piece of land that I own to anyone who can trap or cage me in such a way that I can't get out of it by TP, relogging etc.

Very easy to do. It doesn't mean anything. It doesn't follow you between sims or logins.

Really - I have built these things, I know how they work.

Look, all I am saying is if someone took the time and effort, where there is a will there is a way. That is what SL is supposed to be all about. It is possible for someone to come up with such things. Just because something can be done doesn't make it right.

No. It isn't possible for someone to come up with a way to do this at all. In terms of scripting, it just isn't true.

I'll not only give all of my land, but all of my L$ to anyone who can do this to me.

I don't want this myth spreading.

"When someone tells me that anything's possible, I ask him if he can ski through a revolving door" -- Jubal Harshaw (Heinlein's alt in Time Enough for Love).

Ordinal, I wouldn't worry

And for the record its COLLAR. Ko'lar was a phonetical explanation meant to help immerse the reader in a worlds accent. Read almost any Gor book and tell me if you see 'collar' or 'ko'lar'

Oh hell no, I'm not worried I just don't want to see this myth getting passed around in SL.

Always a good thing to prevent that.. its like the mythical pyramid scheme that actually does make you rich.

No - it isn't.

The only way for something to be attached to you if you attach it.

Even granting attachment rights via script - the object must be owned by you.

The only way for that to happen is if it were called something different and you attached it thinking it was something else.

Even then - you are free to detach and/or delete it at will.

The only way for something to do something to your avatar (other than push it) is for you to give permission.. this applies to animating, giving debit permissions to an object, attaching an object or even unlinking/linking an object via script, taking user controls etc.

Sensor and move to - not an attachment. Also if that is there try teleporting to another sim - bet it doesn't follow you.

See above post - the subject of attaching an object and animating/controlling your avatar without your permission (gained willingly or covertly) is impossible in LSL right now.

I add this because I made a device that lets me fart on your head - it disguises itself as a 'hug' - but still requires your permission to animate your avatar - I gain that permission covertly, but it is still required for you to grant it.

Likewise an attachment you couldn't delete or remove - again impossible.

ok I'll concede the point that it isn't possible to -script- an object to attach itself to you. But you said it yourself.... gain that permission covertly. So in essence it is still possible to ko'lar or collar, which ever (yes I have read the Gor books and I have been in Gor as I have stated before), someone against thier will. The against thier will part is the whole point of my OP.

I don't RP there and I don't read the rubbish, I think its all very silly - but as I said in those self same posts - you can remove that object or whatever even if you had been 'tricked' - so your 'imprisonment' would last seconds.

I stand by what I said.

The absolute worst think that could be done is for you to agree to be animated by someone elses object and they ran a couple of rude anims on you till you tported.

What you're speaking of - in the context you are saying - simply aint gonna happen.

Even permissions coverty obtained simply don't last forever..

Please, if you have a source for this sort of damaging misinformation, report them to the Lindens now. Roleplaying is one thing. Convincing someone that their entire SL is under the control of someone else is unacceptable and should be Abuse Reported immediately.

Even if you once agree to an attachment or animation, you can always remove it.

They don't it's based on a 'someone could' assumption - I'm trying to explain the reality of the situation.

Yeah, I know this is something that can't actually be created. My point is that such a rumor could, possibly, be believed and cause someone to actually quit an account or limit themselves unwillingly. I would call this a particularly vile and insidious form of griefing and it should be stopped.

The fundamental feature of any form of "thought control" is that it depends on force to back it up. Without the ability to exercise actual punishment, it's just people believing or roleplaying whatever they happen to. Tricking people into believing they can literally be punished or controlled against their will is where I draw the line. It's abuse.