Insane Builders...

But.. but.. but nobody seems to be considering the buyer in all of this.

How would you feel if you had just bought an item for L$5000, then you later found out that it's still available from the original creator's store for 50% less?

Would you feel like dancing a little happy dance?

But.. but.. but nobody seems to be considering the buyer in all of this.

How would you feel if you had just bought an item for L$5000, then you later found out that it's still available from the original creator's store for 50% less?

Would you feel like dancing a little happy dance?

But.. but.. but nobody seems to be considering the buyer in all of this.

How would you feel if you had just bought an item for L$5000, then you later found out that it's still available from the original creator's store for 50% less?

Would you feel like dancing a little happy dance?

The simple fact of the matter is this...

The item is resellable. It has been given the permission set to be resold. It's legitimate. It's not freebies we're talking about here. Prices vary depending upon location in RL, why not in SL?

im saying that its not a bad thing to do when the other person knows exactly whats going to go on.. if its ok by that person then go right on with it.. but if that other person has no idea about it and its going on then yes i think its a bad idea.. but whatever.. i know if i decide to ever let someone resell my items with my permission then its my choice.. i think this factor about this whole story behind this forum should have been talked out between the 2 before this situation ever took place

Of course.
If some slimy little leech wants to make a living robbing residents by selling things they didn't make for more money than the creator, thats up to them.

They shouldn't moan on forums about those creators having no social skills when they find out said leech was doing this behind their backs though.

What this all basically boils down to is this...

If a no-copy item is being resold, it is because the original creator gave permission to. If the original creator didn't want their items resold, they should have created them to be no-transfer.

Reselling items flagged as resellable is acceptable, and should not freak people out. The item has the PERMISSIONS set to be resold.

It is the creator's responsibility to set the permissions correctly for what they want. If the creator sets something a certain way, why is this even a question?

LOL...by your definition, 99.9% of all businesses in the world are now "slimy little leeches". Most stores do not make even a single product they sell. Most of them do not even buy the product from the person who DOES make it. They buy it from a middle man distributor who buys it from in many cases another distrivutor who bought it from the creator. IRL, most creators of products have no control or knowledge of who buys or resales their products in what stores after it sales to the original distributor. I know, I am a product maker IRl and have run businesses for many years. I sell a design to someone who then sells it to someone else who sells it to a major store that charges customers twice what I got paid for it and they get rich off my work. THAT is called RL business.

I am rather surprised (but being a pessimist and cynic not really) at how many people don't seem to understand how business works in real life.

What happens when you buy a car in RL and find it cheaper a couple days later? Do you buy cars direct from the manufacturer from then on?

The simple fact of the matter is this...

The item is resellable. It has been given the permission set to be resold. It's legitimate. It's not freebies we're talking about here. Prices vary depending upon location in RL, why not in SL?

Try to buy the same bar of soap in 2 different states, and you will find 2 different prices for the same exact product.

we arent talking about real life

its different if they pay for that kind of service and the proffit comes from selling that one thing.. and you know 10% of the shoppers that bought that one thing would ever go to the original sellers shop to purchase more.. unless when bought it also gives you a land mark to the other shop..but still they might not ever go.. and only way to find out the original creator is after you buy the item then have to check in preferances in your inventory and who would go thru all that just to go see more clothes or items?.. so the proffit of the original sellers other items are never reconized.. plus if the seller now is upping the original price that is wrong

I don't know if its cause I can be a complete air head or what, but I rarely remember where I bought something, I usually have to look at properties than track down teh profile of the builder and hope they ahve a store in their profile :/

Hmm, she shouldn't have to should she? Since the builder herself set that the next owner could resell it..

Yups. Same here. I almost never remember stores or who sold me an item. I remember creators. Stores come and go so fast in SL it really serves me little purpose to remember them anyway. I look at the item and find the creator and hunt down their store. All the original store or mall did was expose me to the creator and from then on I always shoppe at the creator's own stores.

The permission is only "transfer/resell" and most people refer to it as 'transfer" and most people don't really want others to resell their stuff.

It seems like Troy has a good helpful business, but he shoulda asked. Asking solves all problems and consent is actually required for most situations like this in RL so there is no excuse.

I run a store where I sell my furniture and also feature other people's resell enabled furniture and decorations. Most of the people whose work I resell are usually happy that I show up at their store and buy items on a regular basis and then turn around and feature them in my store as the very best of SL. I have never had bad blood with any of these builders before. If anything, I have had people come and request that I feature their work at my store. I pay a bunch for my classifieds advertisements, and do all sorts of other cross marketing and walk through in my store to introduce buyers to other builder's works. Honestly I spend more time promoting other people's work than my own which I hate to admit is not half bad IMHO.

This morning, as soon as I logged in to set something on my parcel, this builder messages me with accusatory IMs telling me that I am stealing her work -- her no copy enabled work. She says that she held a meeting at my store last night to discuss the situation with other builders in my absence. She accused me of reselling her work as original -- which I dont know how I would do. She came to my store and bought the item and made a big fuss about the fact that it was set to sell for higher price it is in her store. Well hello? Has she seen real world resale stores which is just about EVERY store in RL.

She stormed into my store bought the said item and left all upset and telling me not to resell her work. No graces, no nothing -- extremely rude childish behavior.

Even if these were her principles, and she was upset by the fact that her excellent work is featured in a premium store -- which in turn brings business to her, there was a calmer kinder discourse there for her to take instead of the ugly conduct. Honestly, I like the sculpture so much I was actually considering holding onto it for myself before this incidence.

After this incidence, I must tell everyone not to expect any Egyptian artefacts at my store. My apologies, you will no longer be able to such such artefacts from me.

*sigh*

This is exactly what's wrong with SL. People who have no social skills in RL who bring it in SL to ruin it for everyone else....

This was SUCH a bad way to begin the day, I wish I had never logged in this morning.

Troy

The problem with your theory here is if you choose to distribute someone elsde's creations in real life, if you want to sell five of them you ahve to buy five of them from the original source. What you are doing is buying one and they only get a one time price for it. You take it and make as many coipies as you wish and sell those competing with the original creator. Now if you make a deal with them allowing them a certain percentage of the gros income per sale I am sure there'd be rersolution, however what you are doing atm sounds very akin to the same thing we find in a certain overstock store in SL, and prety much just constitutes theft of other's creations and work.

Of course it's your right to do so, but that doesn't make the act any less pitiful.

Just tons of words and a wink