"Age play" in SL

Oh, I'm sure I've mentioned it before. When I was a kid it was like the official porn movie, and even though these days I see it very differently, it is still used in casual conversation as a bit of a symbol for pornography and perversion.
I can assure you that my nickname has absolutely nothing to do with it though.

Ummm ... so are you defending virtual pedophilia because you have opened your mind so far that your brain has fallen out or is it "a safe and mutual acceptation" that you enjoy?



Ah yes, the spelling nazi argument. The last recourse of the weak assertion

This thread looks like it might never come to an end. The volume of support for discussion of this topic suggests that a proper home be made for its discussion.

Accordingly, I propose the creation of a specialized top level forum devoted to discussion of "age play".

Some would argue that this is a special interest topic, not a matter related to Second Life in general, and that it would be appropriate to file a bad post report requesting that the thread be moved to off topic, using the bad post icon, or the link MoveThisThreadToOffTopic but I think it's really important that new arrivals to Second Life be exposed to a non-stop discussion of child sex and the similulation thereof, so we should have a special purpose forum created to house and honor this topic, one that appears at the very top of the list of forums for maximum prominence

Given the widespread support this topic has received I suggest also that Linden Research begin a targeted campaign to attract those who are likely to find fantasy sex with the under-aged pleasant. It is my understanding that many communities make available lists of child molesters and other sexual offenders; these lists should be used in a mass marketing campaign to attract these users. Since their special interests are well served and held in high regard by the Second Life community they may well be likely to purchase land and remain as paying customers.

NAMBLA, the North American Man Boy Love Association, might also be a good place to market Second Life's thriving child sex, incest, & statutory rape fantasy community at.

If we work hard to target convicted sex offenders in areas where current Second Life members live we might be responsible for seeing some families reunited online, and even though the anonymity we employ here might make the participants unaware of it, the thought makes a warm spot in the heart anyway.

The phrase "Age Play" is unclear in meaning to me, so I would like to propose the new top level forum be called something more descriptive like "Child sex, incest, and statutory rape role play"

"Age play" takes advantage of a group of human beings - children - who have no power in society, few rights, few choices, and little ability to defend themselves. Children often do not have the ability to recognize behavior that mocks or belittles them, places them at potential risk, or forces them to do things that are against their own interests. Children often do not have the ability to choose in an intelligent and informed manner about what to do in these kinds of circumstances.

The definition of a child - largely - is to be vulnerable. Which is why any adult - any adult at all - has an ethical and social responsibility to protect children when they need to or can. Adults who age play are placing children at risk by creating an environment that violates that responsibility.

But it's an interesting issue - because the ethical and social "violation" occurs between two consenting adults. And the law does not adequately cover these "violations" in real life, let alone on the internet or in a virtual world.

It's also interesting because such behavior on the main grid could be seen as subverting Linden Lab's professed interest in maintaining a positive virtual experience for minors on the teen grid. I've seen nothing on this from LL, and I'm not surprised, because it's a difficult issue.

IMO, such behavior ought to be termed a violation of the ToS. Violators should be booted, and LL should report their actions to local authorities - on principle - not in the expectation that anything would be done.

(warning: Things taken to an illogical extreme below)

Let's create the Virtual Sex and Violence Police!

Any simulation of behavior that some people would find unacceptable in RL should not be allowed to happen here. One should not even think it or allude to it by word, deed or dress. This not only includes age-play, but also beastiality, mutiliation (piercing/tattoos), prostitution, gang-related activity (too much bling will be an expulsion offense), slavery, etc. Anyone firing a weapon (or any other act of violent simulation) at another consenting adult will be held to have potential homicidal impulses and should also be monitored 24/7.

Sodomy and oral sex are also immoral and any other homosexual/unnatural acts will be scrutinized as well (remember these acts are illegal in some countries and since SL is an international phenom this must be taken into account too.) Actually, if people RP with other adults with whom they are not married to in SL this should be taken to mean that they fully "intended" to cheat on their spouses and this evidence should be admissible in court. This may be also illegal in some countries.

If you see any of this behavior, don't even bother to talk to the persons involved. Just report them to the VSVP and have them kicked off. All Police candidates will be monitored for a period of six months to make sure they are not indulging in anything that could be termed as "thought perversions". Any such hint that those exist will immmediately disqualify them for membership in the VSVP.

Now go play with your Prims...but remember...Prims don't kill Avatars, Avatars kill...uhm...Avatars.

News Update:

the VSVP is contemplating renaming themselves the Very Prim Police.
Voting on policy will only be for a select few but changes will effect all of SL.

It's a slippery slope we're going down here. Get your skis on and get ready to crash into a few trees!

the problem is wider than it seems, i noticed that most of the persons agains this idea do not even bother to post a valid argumentation, because in theyr little "head" (lets call it like this) it is deeply anchored that it is bad and evil, lets bring some more ideas:

- snuff sex act, wich mean having sex with someone in a so violent way you kill your partner, i know someone on the grid that has fun of being evicerated alive and stuffs like this.

Is he a dangerous person? NO
would he perpetrate such things on human beings? NO
is he enjoying SL ? YES

-bestiality: as someone else said it before me in SL we have humans that have intercourse with animals and half animals known as furries

are they dangerous? NO
does it mean these perons will do bestiality acts in RL? NO
are they enjoying SL? YES (sorry stupid error of typo XD)

the thing these have in common with age players is that they do in sl what they want, and it is probably displeasing to some.
The thing is that most peoples still dont understand that what other do is not theyr business and thusyou have no right to FORCE another person to behave like you want, just to satisfy your egocentric and narrow vision of "the world should be like this"

SL is not RL, you cant fly in RL but you can in SL, does that mean peoples will defenestrate in RL because they could in SL?

Yup my mind is open and no my brain hasnt fallen.

All humans are built with a brain but most peoples do not bother to read the manual

It is a shame to hear they aren't enjoying SL. Is it because of the lag and other 1.7 related troubles?

you want it spelled out as to why I and others would be against fantasising sex with minors? a valid argument? I read your post 3 times.. >.< sry if Im misreading here I have just woken up..

it has nothing to do with having sex with minors,

read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_play

it explain very well what most misunderstand in this topic

You realize this post makes no sense right?

One minute your talking about children being endangered, and the next you are talking about two concenting adults, with no children present or harmed, as the same thing. They are not the same thing by a long stretch of course.

I am enraged by child abuse, and have, in my RL past, taken direct action against such. Yet if two CONSENTING ADULTS wish to play any fantasy setting that they can imagine, I have no problems with it at all, because they are ADULTS and CONSENTING, and are harming no one with their actions.

I understand the pro "Age Play" argument being presented here.

Two consenting adults (hopefully) who like to pretend that at least one is a child. It is taking place in a virtual environment where no real exchange of bodily fluids is taking place. No real child is being exploited. That's pretty much it in a nutshell.

This is based on several assumptions which are being brought forth by Kyrah, and others, as fact.

Assumption #1: This is just another form of roleplay that the person has no interest in carrying this out in real life.

You have absolutely no way of supporting this assertion.

Assumption #2: Persons interested in this pose no danger to children in real life.

You have absolutely no way of supporting this assertion.

Assumption #3: That this is a very "misunderstood" topic.

NAMBLA is more than willing to provide anyone willing to listen with droves of information supporting their stance that sex with children is a natural and positive experience for all involved. They are just poor misunderstood people who happen to have a sexual attraction towards children. You can reference them if you like, or wikipedia (like that's somehow the end all of everything true and correct), but it's all still merely a smokescreen and an attempt to rationalize pedophilia.

Pedophilia is a sexual preference that is simply unacceptable. The reason pedophiles are so dangerous to children is because they do feel a sexual attraction towards children. Sexual attractions and interests are a very powerful and driving force. They are not easily dismissed and pushed down. The interest is there and it will remain no matter what. The sexual partner of choice for pedophiles is a segment of society that is vulnerable and unable to protect itself and thus MUST be protected by those more able.

Roleplaying pedophilia displays a level of interest in this predatory practice that should be disturbing to all involved. Once a person has managed to rationalize pedophilia into an acceptable practice online, it is much easier to rationalize the next step and the next.

It has been said that this will create a "sexual police" to get rid SL of practices others find offensive. SL has been said to be a society. All societies define boundries and this a boundry that needs to be established. No muddying of the waters on this subject. No rationalizations that makes sex with children acceptable, or virtually impossible to limit.

I will never find pedophilia acceptable in any way, shape or form!



Very true! Perhaps anyone interested in defending predation on children should take this opportunity to re-visit this little manual...

Personally, I think you should get arrested if in the heat of passion you said "who's your daddy!" during sex.

Don't you understand where that kind of talk leads?

Don't you understand the type of environment you're creating?

Actually, ok, if you said "who's your daddy" over the phone during a hot chat with your girlfriend.

And if you do it over state lines, you should go to jail for a loooong time.

In fact, I think this is a good argument to monitor all VOIP calls.

children predation is the big smoke screen of our days, our dear legislator could make you eat anything if they say its to prevent child abuses

Sure it exist, sure its bad. But itsnot in usa that we say guns dont kill peoples?; peoples kill peoples?

Some folks in the USA do. "We" is a bit broad.

And remote-control avies don't get any pleasure out of the thought of inviting minors to have sex. Some people running them do.

So I guess I'm looking for your point, here.

the poor orcs in world of warcraft doesnt feel pain while you kill em ercyless, does it makes you a murderer?

Kyrah do you have children?

nope and i dont want any, and i dont see what it has to do in this debate, since we talk about adults roleplaying childrens, not real childrens, so you can keep your question i am not gonna fall in a so easy trap to prove me that since i dont have childrens i cant understand what can happend in the mind of a mother or a father

if you as a mother and a father are ok to sacrifice anything you have to protect your childrens then good, but do not force other to do so.

Yea, it sure is weird, but who are we to judge? Morals are completely relative. But if you wanted to get technical, to try to stop these kinds of activities would violate the ToS, being that it is "invasive of another's privacy"

It is interesting to think of how digitized phone call transmission and computer speech recognition has transformed an old idea from gloomy dystopian science fiction stories into something that might be in the realm of both technical and economic possibility.

Can you picture the poor state eavesdroppers in the old-fashioned style "monitor all calls" scenario having to listen to all the wrong numbers, real estate marketing calls, and sex hotline calls?

I think the main problem with Age play and sexual deviance (ones that lead to illegal acts that is), is that it cultivates in SL.

I know that a lot of people experiment in SL, and a lot of them would never do in RL what they do in SL, but what about the small percentage that would? What if someone gains a taste for children in SL and decides to take that taste into the real world?

That's where the problem arises.

Essentially the question is, with all this experimenting in SL, what's the chances that you might gain some sort of taste and experience for it in RL?

I think the answer there is the same kind of answer you get with everything, most people can take it to within acceptable legal levels without any problem but there's always a minority that doesn't (and in the process makes the rest look bad), and since "age-play" deals directly with desires and wants that can be fufilled in the real world (not indirectly that is like violence in video games), the chances are higher that one would consider it in RL, and furthermore since age-play in itself is already sticking you in a far out there strange minority, then it would seem you wouldn't be adverse to trying things strange, new, and taboo anyways.

So I would have to say that there is an abnormally high likeliness among age-players to take this into another more dangerous spectrum. But that's just my opinion.

Absolutely. We're talking about very powerful behaviors and desires that can't always just be turned on and off at whim, be it in RL or on-line.

okay since this topic is falling into the pit of the "good thinkign parent"

"protect your childrens from child abuse, kill them before it happend!"

It makes perfect sense. That's not the problem. The problem is that it speaks to spill-over potentials and social responsibilities that some people would prefer to ignore. And the reaction - like yours - is hugely emotional; witness the caps that you felt compelled to use.

If it really doesn't make sense to you, I suggest you reorient your thinking to include that portion of the population that cannot, by definition, be "consenting adults".

The term "Consenting Adults" is not a sacred manta, IMO. It's an occasionally-useful stick with which to beat back unreasonable, authoritarian social demands. It isn't a magic license for every pathological behavior that two humans can imagine.

-- jj