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Sarendale Parvenu
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11-03-2005 16:27
Fathers whose children have reached the age where people believe their claims about being molested and who have thus had to stop appreciate the opportunity to relive their memories.
Richie Waves
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11-03-2005 17:01
As far as I'm concerned, if your not "wrong" on this your wrong.... :P
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11-03-2005 17:14
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Man, the people who actually spoke Latin all the time must have been GODS ON EARTH or been able to win spelling bees or get perfect scores on their S.A.T.s.
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Kevn Klein
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11-03-2005 17:51
I've noticed young boy with woman is more exceptable than young girl with man in our culture. A man spends years in prison for consentual sex with a minor, a woman often walks away. Or is it just me?
Mulch Ennui
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11-03-2005 17:59
From: Kevn Klein
I've noticed young boy with woman is more exceptable than young girl with man in our culture. A man spends years in prison for consentual sex with a minor, a woman often walks away. Or is it just me?


I dunno, how long did you spend in prison?
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Lo Jacobs
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11-03-2005 18:07
But what about the children???
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Ilianexsi Sojourner
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11-03-2005 18:09
From: Jake Reitveld

LL goes to great lengths to ensure, as much as is practicable, that the main grid is populated by adults of consenting age. If one adult wishes to be a 12 year old school girl, and the otehr the 40 year old guy who spanks her, then, in so far as they are consenting adults, their behavior should nopt be prohibited.


Well said. This isn't *real* children we're talking about... if it were, then of course it would be criminal activity. Age play isn't my thing, but I think we need to remember the key word is *play.* If the parties involved are two consenting adults, what's the problem? Just having the fantasy doesn't mean you're a criminal.

Human beings have lots of wierd sex fantasies. Many women enjoy rape fantasies; if my partner agrees to take part in such a scenario with me, does that mean he's just a step away from commiting a *real* rape? No, it doesn't.

One purpose of fantasies is to allow us to mentally (or physically, in a safe, controlled situation) allow us to experience something that we would never be able or willing to experience in real life. Most people (I would hope) have enough self control, and enough of a sense of morality, to never want to *really* have sex with a child. We can't make judgements like that about people based solely on a sex fantasy; we'd have to know more about their personality and behavior, and other RL info that we don't have access to here.

And seriously, if age play is so creepy, how about all those people who sell and buy and wear schoolgirl outfits? People don't seem to have a problem with that. It's like any other fetish; if it isn't your thing, don't do it. If you have kids, it's essential to be careful, but I don't think we should go so far as to jump to conclusions about adults in a game that's built on fantasy.
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Foulcault Mechanique
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11-03-2005 18:20
ok I have not read the whole topic yet but wish to add my two dollars in.

Frankly the fact that people say "It's wrong" make me sick. The reason being is that WHY is it sick? Cause someone told you 20+ years agot that it was sick? Maybe there are a few things you are not aware of that happen in SL that you should thinka bout first.

Vampirism = Drinking of human or animal blood for ritual or survival reasons. This by most definations are sick. It can spread disease, lead to death, infection, etc if done in RL but look...we have an entire island of them..no wait...two...or was that three?

Age play = PRETENDING to be a age you are not. Be it older or younger (Yes I have RPed being older and many think I am.).

Yiffy = two furs doing something mature...two animal creatures doing "the deed".

Pony/Dog Play = People pretending to be animals for the same ends as age play. People as animals doing "the deed".

Gor = Fantasy BDSM styled world in which women predominatly have no real say in what occurs to them. They are property and below men. Women having things done to them without consent...sound familiar?

In kink we have a saying YKINMK "Your kink is not my kink"....but I'll understand and accept yours respectfully. I learned this at a young age and frankly kink should be replaced with a more board term...words to live by.

As to those saying this is wrong here and offline. Frankly we are people, we have feelings, and we are alive. Here we are people, we have feelings, and we are alive behind 2000 miles of copper and glass where we see eachother due to a series of 1s and 0s that are turned into various shades of green, blue, and red. After all how do you think those orcs felt that you slaughtered in World of Warcarft last weekend?

TO those that do not like these things, saw them, and kindly turned away I appluad you. To those that seem to go EEEEEEEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW I frown at you and hope when the time comes for understanding of a situation you are in that you get little so that you can see how it feels.

As for me...let's just say my furry, vampiric, fun loving self is going to go now and play with his pony GIRL....but not on Gor.

PS Sorry if this sounds like a rant but went through this problem in another game as well where the warning was in 50 point font.
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11-03-2005 18:22
I'm gonna use this in class as an example of the dangers of vague pronoun use. :-) ty Mulch.
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I dunno, how long did you spend in prison?
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William Withnail
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Hmm
11-03-2005 18:52
I am not actually 153 years old. The students at Withnail Academy at not actually 16 years old. Nor, for that matter, are they students.

However, North American media and culture have sexualized the image of schoolgirls. I blame Britney Spears.

http://images.google.ca/images?q=schoolgirl
http://www.xmag.com/archives/11-03-sep03/schoolgirl.html
Roseann Flora
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11-03-2005 20:40
For those of you that want to continue to believe that this kind of behavior is acceptable I would like you to take a look at this

here
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11-03-2005 21:30
STOP IT, BLAZE! STOP IT, I SAY!!!



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Ilianexsi Sojourner
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11-03-2005 22:29
Since when were we talking about molesting real children? I thought we were talking about two consenting adults, over the age of 18, in a computer game, pretending something while having sex. I guess I must just be slow, I would have sworn children weren't even allowed to be here.

Maybe next we should stop all the people who roleplay as ponygirls, or Gorean slaves, or furries, or whatever. God only knows what sort of crimes they're committing in RL.
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11-03-2005 23:00
From: Ilianexsi Sojourner
Since when were we talking about molesting real children? I thought we were talking about two consenting adults, over the age of 18, in a computer game, pretending something while having sex. I guess I must just be slow, I would have sworn children weren't even allowed to be here.

Maybe next we should stop all the people who roleplay as ponygirls, or Gorean slaves, or furries, or whatever. God only knows what sort of crimes they're committing in RL.


Scroll down to page 48 ont he link I showed.


I'm done here.
Rhubardin Fluffball
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11-03-2005 23:25
Let's see I'm a certified psychotic with an exceptional distaste for humans, elves, vampires, nazis(well rascists of all groups in general), and loud noises.

Yes despite a healthy dose of real and virtual violence in my life, continuing isolation, reliance on the internet for social contact, and my recently awakened love of SL furry Cyber sex, You'll NEVER see me on the news as that guy in a squirrel costume who killed a bunch of KKK members stole their assault rifles, raped a guy dressed like Legolas, and of course staked a few vampire LARP players becasue "they was of da devah", and I had been forced to listen to EMENIM for three hours by my roomate.

I also don't see the people who use SL as a shooter grab bag and go around blasting each other being targeted for their "incorrect and psychotic mass murder fantasies"

And juts what in the hell would you suggest we use SL for once we've cleansed SL of moral deviants who are in that awful thing known as teh sex? quilting parties perhaps?

OO OO I know we can host internment camps to reeducate all those sickos who we can't legally round up and force into proper dea...err moral refinement centers.

Face it people come here to escape the real world. Not have the same crap we put up with in order to live forced down our throats.

Want to see immorality incarnated.

1)watch some pictures of Hitler and the holocaust

2)look in a mirror and watch yourself spew your hate

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Lordfly Digeridoo
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11-04-2005 06:16
This is coming from the community that looks the other way when people pretend they're sentient animals fucking with dicks the size of two by fours.

This is coming from the community that has a sizable portion of people who not only inflict pain on each other sexually, not only engages in "consented" slavery, but has a sizable amount of roleplaying and Sims dedicated to a society based on a horrible sci-fi author who set back women's rights at least 500 years.

This is coming from a community that mirrors all the kinks that can be found readily online.

This is coming from the community with an accepted outlook on prostitution, and pay thousands of US dollars per month to do such things.

This is coming from the community that has a skybox every other plot, filled to the brim with sexballs, poseballs, and kinkballs.

This is coming from the community that relies on "hot thong contests" to drive the economy.

Give me a break.

People who live in glass houses should not throw stones.

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11-04-2005 07:19
From: Roseann Flora
Scroll down to page 48 ont he link I showed.


I'm done here.


This provided absolutely nothing useful. Profiling rules to be sure - for the INVESTIGATORS - but this says nothing about removing any potential avenue that pedophiles might have to gratify/fuel their needs at the expense of the general populace. It does mention keeping an open mind, being aware of the patterns and not jumping to conclusions.
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11-04-2005 08:09
From: Lordfly Digeridoo
This is coming from the community that looks the other way when people pretend they're sentient animals fucking with dicks the size of two by fours.

This is coming from the community that has a sizable portion of people who not only inflict pain on each other sexually, not only engages in "consented" slavery, but has a sizable amount of roleplaying and Sims dedicated to a society based on a horrible sci-fi author who set back women's rights at least 500 years.

This is coming from a community that mirrors all the kinks that can be found readily online.

This is coming from the community with an accepted outlook on prostitution, and pay thousands of US dollars per month to do such things.

This is coming from the community that has a skybox every other plot, filled to the brim with sexballs, poseballs, and kinkballs.

This is coming from the community that relies on "hot thong contests" to drive the economy.

Give me a break.

People who live in glass houses should not throw stones.

LF


LF. That was awesome.

lol

There was actually a big controversy with an "age-player" a while back over at SL Herald. She was a girl who played a Sasami (for those who don't know, she's a little anime girl who looks like she's 9 or 10 but is actually a few hundred years old from a series called Tenchi Muyo) and was in a few bondage groups and the Edge's escorts. She also sold hentai drawings of young girls, and that's where most of the controversy came from since LL and some of the user base weren't sure to whether that would be considered child porn.

The Article (WARNING: some rather graphic images posted there)

Anyways, back then that was a very isolated incident but now i've noticed that it's started to gain popularity in SL, there's Withnail's Academy for Wayward Girls which hosts a Victorian style bondage Age-play thing and the Furries have a bunch of "baby furs" running around.

Back then, I also used to become appalled by this stuff too, but you know, in the recent months of SL I think we've had an influx of just about every kink known to man and i'm starting to get desensitized to all this stuff, so you know what? Who cares, they're both consenting adults and as long as they keep that stuff out of my face I don't care that much.

I even leave the Gors alone nowadays as long as they keep the Gor in the Gor sims and don't bring it to me.

Basically face it: SL is a boiling sex pot ready to overflow with just about any fetish you can (and can't) imagine. Welcome to the human race's underbelly.
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11-04-2005 09:01
From: Kevn Klein
I've noticed young boy with woman is more exceptable than young girl with man in our culture. A man spends years in prison for consentual sex with a minor, a woman often walks away. Or is it just me?


That's because the male is often seen as the initiator of the sexual act.

Therefore if a minor male and and adult female have intercourse, of course the male started it.

And there's no law against a minor having sex with an adult, the law is that an adult can't have sex with a minor.

I know that sounds weird, but that's the logic, I guess. :-)

(not that it isn't flawed)
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11-04-2005 09:16
From: Roseann Flora
For those of you that want to continue to believe that this kind of behavior is acceptable I would like you to take a look at this

here


Interesting on page 75 (you need to view the actual PDF file to get the page numbers correct, and I'm talking about the PDF page that you see at the bottom, not the number printed inside the document), it is apparent that Federal law has outlawed "Simulated" child pornography.

This means that it's illegal to make it "appear" that a minor is engaging in sexually explicit conduct.

However, the document also goes on to say that this law is being challenged in various jurisdictions.

So, regardless of whether this is "ickY", this could be a crime.
Lordfly Digeridoo
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11-04-2005 09:20
From: Aurael Neurocam
Interesting on page 75 (you need to view the actual PDF file to get the page numbers correct, and I'm talking about the PDF page that you see at the bottom, not the number printed inside the document), it is apparent that Federal law has outlawed "Simulated" child pornography.

This means that it's illegal to make it "appear" that a minor is engaging in sexually explicit conduct.

However, the document also goes on to say that this law is being challenged in various jurisdictions.

So, regardless of whether this is "ickY", this could be a crime.


Well, regardless of anything, the Justice Department's new "War on Porn" makes pretty much anything but missionary style a crime.

Welcome to Bush 2004!

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Omaire Abattoir
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11-04-2005 09:22
I think it goes something like this:

:::in the "afterglow":::

RL Adult Pretending to Be an SL Child: Ahhh, you were wonderful daddy/mommy.
RL Adult: Mmmm, so were you, you lil stallion/wild lil woman, you! I'm so proud of you!
RL Adult: Doh, brb...my RL 5yr old is crying.

Does the RL parent ever get upset cause the RL child interfered with the fun evening they were having with their SL child?

Blah, ugh...

Just sick.

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11-04-2005 09:23
From: Lordfly Digeridoo
Well, regardless of anything, the Justice Department's new "War on Porn" makes pretty much anything but missionary style a crime.

Welcome to Bush 2004!

LF


We had to look into that law pretty deeply in that Sasami thing, what we ended up with is a law that had been made legal and illegal like 3 times, but for now I think it's legal unless they overturned it again and made it illegal. Basically if it's drawn or virtual and there's no way of proving age then it's legal from the last time I saw it.
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11-04-2005 12:34
It's still sick, rationalize it all you want.
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11-04-2005 12:39
From: Devlin Gallant
It's still sick, rationalize it all you want.


Sure. Coming from someone who blatantly advocates eating minors. :D
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