P2P: did the sky fall?

But, something that bugs me, is the amount of people still asking for "taxis" in group chat, spamming my screen.

So there was all kinds of talk of gloom and doom once P2P came. Has the sky fallen yet? I personally have been exploring SL more than I ever have, and spending money on people I've never heard of. My sales have also been up dramatically. How do other people feel about it?

My two primary concerns over P2P were land values, and zoning.

While we never intended to move, the former was important because if the Shelter ever had to tier down, that money would be used to help us keep operating. With the announcement that Developer Incentives are going away, we likely will be tiering down to keep our costs in line with our donations.

If only those two decisions had been made in the reverse order, we might not be in such a predicament: compelled to tier down because of the DI changes, and with less proceeds because of P2P.

Its water under the bridge now, but it still smarts a little.

As for zoning, its much, much too soon to tell. Threads like the "Blue Note" are not encouraging at all, but I think it will be impossible to tell the true impact for 3-6 months.

Overall, I'm hopefull that the positives outweigh the negatives in introducing P2P. But to suggest that any negatives don't exist seems to ignore the whole picture.

Edited to add: In fairness, I guess I should balance my negative comments with some positive. We are indeed getting more "Newer" newbies at the Shelter, which is a good thing. Pre-P2P, flying was a prereq for visiting.

For our game shows, I can set a landing point for the event that takes people right there. No more questions about where the game is being held. That's great!

And - I too have been visiting more places because of P2P & not less. So in that regard, its fantastic!

I love P2P.
But, something that bugs me, is the amount of people still asking for "taxis" in group chat, spamming my screen.
Are these individuals, A) so stupid they dont know P2P exists, or B) too lazy to call up a landmark or the map screen.

Moan aside, no, the sky did not fall, I live in a skybox, and its altitude remained consistent throughout the transition to P2P.

The Island Sims are still Hub teleporting so those people maybe wanting a port to a certain point on an Island..... Maybe Pinpoint Teleporting should be extended to the Islands???

In other words people are seriously "gaming" the 128,128 point.
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Yeah. You mean 'camping'. I'd say Spawn Camping, it's more appropriate in a way. Why don't we have people moderating sandboxes?

The Island Sims are still Hub teleporting so those people maybe wanting a port to a certain point on an Island..... Maybe Pinpoint Teleporting should be extended to the Islands???

I have seen nothing but positives from this. Of Course certain people who were opposed to it refuse to admit it has been a blessing.

I have seen nothing but positives from this. Of Course certain people who were opposed to it refuse to admit it has been a blessing.

Koolhaas tringo is gone because the hub is...I am out L$131,000 ! I didn't buy hub land to make a profit...I bought it to make it easier for tringo players to get to a game without having to IM for a tp and yes I paid higher prices cause I KNEW no one else would and the sim would remain empty around the hub. Then LL stacked servers and then killed hubs
making my land worth even lower in value. But who cares if someone that was just giving away money lost $500-$700 USD in land value ? I'm not rich and I'm not a land baron. I invested for location and within a matter of weeks went from booming area to death.

I bought it to make it easier for tringo players to get to a game without having to IM for a tp...I invested for location and within a matter of weeks went from booming area to death.

I think it goes both ways. There are certain folks like Magnum, who are covering their ears and singing "lalalalala" at any possible hint that any individuals might have been negatively impacted by the change. I thought I outlined in no uncertain terms in my original post how I receved both a positive and negative impact from P2P.

It really is a dead horse at this point. P2P is here, the vast majority of folks love it, and complaining about it accomplishes nothing. But if someone asks me specifically if P2P had any negative impact for me, I'm not going to just sit quietly and hum a few bars from the Sound of Music.

Providing my zoning concerns don't shake out to be a negative in the end, I really do think that overall P2P will be a blessing for the community as a whole. But that blessing didn't come without a price.

Pinpoint Teleporting

Some of you have noticed that the proposals in support of point-to-point teleporting (32 and 89) have been acknowledged and marked as being considered for development.

* Point-to-point teleportation is now available in Second Life

Point-to-point teleportation is now available in Second Life

No actually the bottom fell out with 1.2

Curious how this happens on each go-around, huh? I wonder what it'll be next time. Ah, if only we got a classic tune remixed tastefully with some fresh breakbeats—without the record skipping!

I'm really, really enjoying P2P, what Ashen Stygian and I refer to fondly as "P@P ROX!"

What I find really sad is how fear paralyzes people and makes their lives worse. Fear of the unknown, something I don't relate to quite as much, 'cuz I have fear of the known! I always thrill to see someone see the trap coming the second time 'round, and avoid making a rerun mistake.

And... now that P2P's here, now we know.

Speaking of...

I never understood the rationale behind P2P discouraging exploration. I'm an explorer. If anything, I paid my dues to those damn Telehubs, taking the same ol' redundant routes over and over. Now, I can choose entirely new areas to adventure in, without having to manually repeat myself on the beaten path. Folding many keystrokes into one is a win-win-win. And if it's about "the journey", I can always choose to fly from one end of SL to the other. If I want to take the hard way, that's up to me now.

I continue to take long walks through digitized forests.

I'm no expert about human nature, but I do understand a need to express and talk about things, be they fears, frustrations, frolicking, or a mix of those three and more. It helps to get it out... us as gregarious, social creatures, even those of us who at one time claimed they wanted to be alone but infact desired company—like me.

P2P helps us to get nearer to each other, faster. It helps connect, like the community of Second Life itself. There are enough walls here, including confusing technical troubles and the quirks in the interface I'm hopeful will continue to be improved over time. We don't need to erect any more "artificial barriers" and block us from coming together.

Orhalla Zander brought a great point up to me some weeks ago I hadn't thought about previously. On a tangential note, I've long been thinking about how useful it'd be to have a group teleportation mode because hitting OFFER TELEPORT for a bunch o' friends from stop to stop (like a shopping tour) can get awfully tedious. Well, Orh got me thinking about how now we can TP very close to a friend now once they're maptracked, which has led to me being swarmed on a number of happy occasions. I am aware of the downsides, but it's comforting to know how quickly someone can come to me now, even if I didn't ask for it.

I love pleasant surprises.

Okay, so now when a retailer drops a big store in the middle of a residential area (which they will because with P2P ... it doesnt matter where they reside (and residential areas are cheaper). Well, now the lag will be all over the grid, not just in certain spots or just on certain servers.

Sooo, you have a nice home........ maybe a little deck, a pool? Imagine how cool that will be when you cant MOVE in your own home, and you have big lights flashing in your bedroom windows AND, no one wants to buy your land for even half of what you paid for it.

You missed the part about infonet systems on LL for free rent and space yet charge for advertizing where telehubs once stood. You also fail to mention how the telehub land is now worthless.

The P2P came at a cost, one everyone seems to overlook. In the process of making P2P work LL screwed over some of its own customers.

As for the sky, what sky? Oh those pixels that looked like a sky. Gottcha There never was a real sky so it could not of fallen.

P2P may be kewl but I really am discusted as to how the changes were made by LL. It's never good to screw over your largest investors calling your game a "development platform" or not.

Not a game? Then when will we stop hiding behind false faces, and false names?

Sorry I have yet to take SL as a serious platform. Especialy with LL's continued efforts to abuse its player base to suit their financial needs above the financial needs of their key investors.

No I do not think that SL is all wine and kittens. More like wino's and cat fights lol.

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P2P may be kewl but I really am discusted as to how the changes were made by LL. It's never good to screw over your largest investors calling your game a "development platform" or not.