P2P: did the sky fall?

So there was all kinds of talk of gloom and doom once P2P came. Has the sky fallen yet? I personally have been exploring SL more than I ever have, and spending money on people I've never heard of. My sales have also been up dramatically. How do other people feel about it?

It did fall, but they rolled the sky back to a previously-saved state and not very many people noticed anyway.

Hang on.

I've been away from SL for a few days (enjoying the holidays with the family) and they took away P2P??!!

Curious how this happens on each go-around, huh? I wonder what it'll be next time. Ah, if only we got a classic tune remixed tastefully with some fresh breakbeats—without the record skipping!

I'm really, really enjoying P2P, what Ashen Stygian and I refer to fondly as "P@P ROX!"

What I find really sad is how fear paralyzes people and makes their lives worse. Fear of the unknown, something I don't relate to quite as much, 'cuz I have fear of the known! I always thrill to see someone see the trap coming the second time 'round, and avoid making a rerun mistake.

And... now that P2P's here, now we know.

Speaking of...

I never understood the rationale behind P2P discouraging exploration. I'm an explorer. If anything, I paid my dues to those damn Telehubs, taking the same ol' redundant routes over and over. Now, I can choose entirely new areas to adventure in, without having to manually repeat myself on the beaten path. Folding many keystrokes into one is a win-win-win. And if it's about "the journey", I can always choose to fly from one end of SL to the other. If I want to take the hard way, that's up to me now.

I continue to take long walks through digitized forests.

I'm no expert about human nature, but I do understand a need to express and talk about things, be they fears, frustrations, frolicking, or a mix of those three and more. It helps to get it out... us as gregarious, social creatures, even those of us who at one time claimed they wanted to be alone but infact desired company—like me.

P2P helps us to get nearer to each other, faster. It helps connect, like the community of Second Life itself. There are enough walls here, including confusing technical troubles and the quirks in the interface I'm hopeful will continue to be improved over time. We don't need to erect any more "artificial barriers" and block us from coming together.

Orhalla Zander brought a great point up to me some weeks ago I hadn't thought about previously. On a tangential note, I've long been thinking about how useful it'd be to have a group teleportation mode because hitting OFFER TELEPORT for a bunch o' friends from stop to stop (like a shopping tour) can get awfully tedious. Well, Orh got me thinking about how now we can TP very close to a friend now once they're maptracked, which has led to me being swarmed on a number of happy occasions. I am aware of the downsides, but it's comforting to know how quickly someone can come to me now, even if I didn't ask for it.

I love pleasant surprises.

My sales in-world are way up, however my sales on SLEX have plummeted, which is fine with me, because I'd rather people buy in-world without the commission.

I, too, am seeing more places than ever before my spending has increased, too. Places I liked to go to but rarely did because of long flight times I am now visiting daily, and it gives me a warm feeling to know that when I TP somewhere, I'll most likely end up right where I want to be, or on rare occaision really close.

Nope, the sky never fell -- the ugly cloud of laginess at telehubs lifted.

Oh no they took P2P away!!!

No telehubs, no P2P.

A dark hour has fallen over the virtual landscape.

Transit has slowed to a crawl.

This is SL's worst crisis indeed.

But while waiting for the world to end, be sure to check out voting proposition 830, summarized below.

No no, I mistyped it

No significant change for West Trade Imports.

It was rather off the telehub path, yet anyone who wanted to visit generally did, I think.

It is no different now; they just get here quicker.

I haven't been taking careful stats, but number of visitors and $L per week are roughly the same.



Of course, people near telehubs that got 'new user incidental traffic' might have different stats. I have no way to tell.

Ok but I will still sit there and look pretty if that's all right with you

P2P is great! Although, until people start getting the hang of setting landing points, randomly tping in on top of/directly in front of/inbetween other avs makes for an occasional awkward moment.

Just a thought, though perhaps tedious, would it work to make a folder with their calling cards, and then drop a landmark on them?

You should, you do it so well

The sky has indeed fallen and bumped my avatar. I ARed Governor Linden.

Other then that, I do seem to explore more then ever.

Hmmm... ooo, this gets me thinking of group inventory drops too, which has a whole lot of uses in its own right.

A large part of the frustration for me is not having more fluid spontaneity. It's so weird that SL has such a community, and yet, teleporting is such a LONELY thing.

Even something like being able to Ctrl-Click names in your Friends list and click Offer TP once would be nice. (I'm aware the counterpoint is "teleport spam", and for that reason, you could drop someone off your Friends if they abused it.)

P2P is an improvement, no question. As Torley mentioned above, instead of the same old starting points for exploration, I'm getting to know some entirely new areas based on places I actually like to go and hang out.

My two primary concerns over P2P were land values, and zoning.

While we never intended to move, the former was important because if the Shelter ever had to tier down, that money would be used to help us keep operating. With the announcement that Developer Incentives are going away, we likely will be tiering down to keep our costs in line with our donations.

If only those two decisions had been made in the reverse order, we might not be in such a predicament: compelled to tier down because of the DI changes, and with less proceeds because of P2P.

Its water under the bridge now, but it still smarts a little.

As for zoning, its much, much too soon to tell. Threads like the "Blue Note" are not encouraging at all, but I think it will be impossible to tell the true impact for 3-6 months.

Overall, I'm hopefull that the positives outweigh the negatives in introducing P2P. But to suggest that any negatives don't exist seems to ignore the whole picture.

Edited to add: In fairness, I guess I should balance my negative comments with some positive. We are indeed getting more "Newer" newbies at the Shelter, which is a good thing. Pre-P2P, flying was a prereq for visiting.

For our game shows, I can set a landing point for the event that takes people right there. No more questions about where the game is being held. That's great!

And - I too have been visiting more places because of P2P & not less. So in that regard, its fantastic!

I am happy with it as I no longer need to fly from a long away hub to friends, stores, shops, places I want to look at...

And I also dont need to be ”locked” in into a buiding so high so high... reezing at a telehub....


God Morning all - and have a great God Fortsättning!!!


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In all fairness: it might be a little bit early to decide, if and what changes P2P brought to the SL society.

An immediate effect was a huge (monetary) loss for all those with large holdings of telehub land of course. That is no "sky falling" but for some residents it surely was very hurtful from a business point of view.

All the other changes to SL "culture", which probably Gwynneth Llewellyn described best - if a little exaggerating - in her long posts, will take time. I guess it will take at least two or three months until these effects will be visible; if they happen ...

With regard to sales volumes. Hmmmm ... Wasn't there a kind of very special season lately?

But actually I think that P2P of course will be benificial to a lot of businesses which were far from telehubs in the past. Maybe you are already witnessing this effect. But this was never denied by those opposed to the Killing of the Telehubs. As the added convenience while quickly checking out different spots in SL was never denied. And I don't think that Gwynneth or other opponents of this quick change were predicting "doom" - just a slow change to SL society.

It still remains to be seen (and will remain so for a while), if P2P will add to the further fragmentation of the SL society and faster destruction of the landscape. But - as these effects are hard to measure objectively - there might never be aggreement on this.

People have a natural aversion to any and all changes. It takes effort to adapt, and so people go to great lengths to preserve the status quo. Whatever happens, people will always claim the sky will fall, but it never did and it never will.

I'm quite happy with P2P TP'ing. My sales are up dramatically, and I've enjoyed instant ports to my destinations. P2P actually makes me more inclined to explore, not less, since I know that porting somewhere actually will take me to that place, not to some telehub full of invisible obstacles.

I ahve been exploring a great deal more. Expecially now that in most cases I can TP directly (if not damn close) to places I've spotted before. Like The Coffee Scene, the Elf Clan Castle, and that mayan templey thing.

Telehub sales did drop drastically (i have several) an example is my Ross Store got 36 sales the week before they stopped the hubs and then after my sales at Ross were 2 so yes for Hub Stores it has been a bummer;/ ... But my Home store sales went up so go figure, especially since it used to be right off a hub and I moved it about 300m away now it has more sales LOL

I love P2P.
But, something that bugs me, is the amount of people still asking for "taxis" in group chat, spamming my screen.
Are these individuals, A) so stupid they dont know P2P exists, or B) too lazy to call up a landmark or the map screen.

Moan aside, no, the sky did not fall, I live in a skybox, and its altitude remained consistent throughout the transition to P2P.

hehe - I thought there were still a bunch of folks out there that believe the sky fell with 1.2

No actually the bottom fell out with 1.2