Very angry right now. Whats your opinion on this?
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Lupus Delacroix
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08-02-2006 07:21
From: Kacen Khalamov I looked at the guy's profile and he was indeed an anti-furre, but see, I never made a SINGLE personal attack directed at him, so that is irrelevant. And he should have ATLEAST given me a warning, considering the fact that the orbit was unsuccesful (for unknown reasons, its as if I didn't attempt to orbit anyone). *sighs* No he's not, in fact he has a furry AV or two himself. Yes I know who your talking about. He's the orc in the C-tech vampire slayer outfit with the axe with pikehead with a furry head on it, and his title is "Werewolf Slayer" or something like that. He isn't anti furry, he just takes great amusement in pointing out the hypocricy and irony in bits and pieces of the fandom.... |
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Finning Widget
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08-02-2006 07:24
It's simple. You tried to /orbit/ someone, without their consent, which is against the ToS. And /you're angry/ that the people who administer the sim you did so in, removed you from the sim. OhNoes.
Don't orbit people without their consent. If the orcish barbarian "furry-hater" had felt he was being harassed, he had several options to pursue to remedy the situation.
Some people are just weird, and while it has never occured to me /before/, it /easily/ is comprehendable to me that maybe - like some people enjoy dressing up as furries or Star Trek uniforms to roleplay - some people enjoy dressing up in $WhateverSuits to roleplay.
Did you ask if he needed help? Did it occur to you that maybe they were filming a Public Service Announcement?
Don't orbit people without their consent. /It's Just That Simple/. SL doesn't need vigilantes. SL doesn't need gungho police. SL doesn't need cowboys dishing out Judge Roy Bean Justice at things that personally offend their aesthetics. Most of the griefing and griefing accusations I see are from people who take it upon themselves to enforce their own notions of right and wrong - generally at the detriment of other people's natural rights.
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Blazingsonic Tank
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08-02-2006 07:54
From: Kacen Khalamov If this is in the wrong forum please move it, for this is my first time using the forum and I'm relatively new to Second Life. This happened about an hour and a half ago/two hours ago.
I decide to go to Pi - Developers Haven and Public Sandbox to do some customizations to my ship. I decide to walk around a bit first and I notice a few people sitting around and talking. My avatar is a furre (I'm not a furre IRL and I don't yiff, I just like the avatar), and I notice a person with a troll/"orc"-ish avatar with a spear on his back impaling a furry head. Obviously, a furre hater. I can also see that he hates furres by looking at his profile. I don't say anything at all. Two other furres sitting on a bench nearby start talking to each other saying they should leave before this furre hater starts something.
Then suddenly out of nowhere some little furre comes along and she goes up to these two other furres and says "u giev yiff?", whatever the bloody hell "giev" means. Now this is right in front of the obvious furre hater. I think shes acting like a bloody fool. The two furres look at her and just humor her. She keeps doing this, saying "u giev yiff?" and "i yiff" and various other phrases using poor grammar and atrocious chatspeak. I look at her profile and shes 23. I'm more than four years younger than her and shes acting incredibly immature and can't even bother to spell. I also notice in her profile that theres nothing furry about her, so I suspect she has alterior motives.
Now, the furre hater is just standing nearby and does nothing, nothing at all. This surprises me. He wasn't AFK because his away message wasn't on and he was turning from side to side occasionally. Then, to my horror, the girl goes up to the furre hater and says the same things to him. He just humors her and doesn't even make any snide remarks about furres in general. Once again, surprising if I do say so myself. But she keeps doing this, even going so far as to use a humping animation on him. So she continues to speak like an immature twelve year old, harassing this guy, and from this I suspect that shes just trying to make furres look bad. Once again, I am not a furre, but I have friends that are and I find this despicable. I know alot of furres who aren't like that.
This goes on for a while and I manage to fight through the awful lag. I was so angry, I decided to orbit her. I enter the key to orbit her and her name and nothing happens, it doesn't work. But apparently they were aware I attempted to orbit her. So next thing I know I'm outside the sim and I was ejected and banned - by none other than the furre hater she was harassing. I IM him and say "Why did you ban me?!" he says simply "you used weapons". In my defense, I would like to say that the place I was banned from did not say "No weapons" in it, in the sim name or in its description in search, which I actually find surprising. Also, I had no idea the furre hater was a mod there, if thats the correct term to use in SL, and also at the time I wasn't really considering an orbiter a weapon, although to be honest now I can kinda see it now. Also, he gave me no warning.
So I make these points to him and he simply does not respond back anymore, so I just hold in my anger and say nothing and close the IM screen. So now I IM the furre girl and, I should have expected this I suppose, shes acting like a bloody 12 year old again, using eye-aching chatspeak, saying things like "y u haet?" and repeating her aforementioned utterances.
Now I need to know what you all think. Do you think he was being a little harsh, or was being comepletely out of line? I find this whole ordeal very frustrating. Now I remember why I keep to myself on SL. |
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Barry Weary
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08-02-2006 07:57
From: Kacen Khalamov Okay, I am mature enough to say that I was in the wrong here and I reacted to something that was not my concern. But I can say that I only meant good when I attempted to orbit her, but yes it was a hasty and somewhat stupid attempt. I was not trying to grief. But anyway, I admit I was wrong. Your actions were clearly in the wrong but I always feel compelled to applaud people who can not only see the error of their ways but -admit- to it. In the morally vacuous world of online forum chitchat, that's unusual! |
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Jack Harker
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08-02-2006 08:07
From: Yiffy Yaffle Time for my opinion. i believe that girl with the bad grammer in the furry avatar was the real troll. If they had no info int their profile reguarding furries, had awful grammer, while running around trying to yiff EVERYONE then its quite obviuos they arent a real furry. Yiff isn't what furry is all about. A real furry would know that. It's just a lifestyle plain and simple. They were obviuosly someones alt, or just some retard trying to mess with people. Actually, that's what I meant with my post. She was trolling the OP, and probably the other guy. She *wanted* to piss people off, make a scene, and cause trouble. It's obvious. |
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Jack Harker
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08-02-2006 08:09
From: Jon Rolland If you see someone with a gun on the street and try to play hero if its a real gun threat your likely to create a worse sitution. But hey while you're layin on that street dyin beside the victim who hadn't provoked the criminal to pull the trigger you can assure yourself you did the right thing.  I'd have just shot the guy with the gun. That's what we do in *America*!  |
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Jennyfur Peregrine
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08-02-2006 08:15
From: pandastrong Fairplay Wait, so you are a furry, right? Pandastrong is a furry name right?
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Savonah Madonna
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08-02-2006 08:21
Actually, the best decision I feel would have been for you to just leave that area without any action taken by you.
Even though the manner of the small furry which walked up to you was upsetting even to the point of makingyou angry, it apears that teh small furry who you orbited may have been role playing a child furry.
But all that doesn't matter. What does matter is that you chose to stay there knowing there was a furry hater there as well as someone acting like a child in a furry AV. To me this would have been enough to just move on and look to other places to chat and relax.
You got caught up in everything and suffered from it.
Where you right to do what you did? I'm no judge and won't say it was right or wrong, however staying there knowing the furry hater was close and that the small furry acting immaturely wasn't a good jugement call on your part. Be aware next time that sometimes its just better to walk away and be done with it then be goaded into some kind of action that has adverse effects on you.
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Marcuw Schnook
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08-02-2006 08:21
From: Kacen Khalamov
I decide to go to Pi - Developers Haven and Public Sandbox
This goes on for a while and I manage to fight through the awful lag. I was so angry, I decided to orbit her. I enter the key to orbit her and her name and nothing happens, it doesn't work. But apparently they were aware I attempted to orbit her. So next thing I know I'm outside the sim and I was ejected and banned - by none other than the furre hater she was harassing. I IM him and say "Why did you ban me?!" he says simply "you used weapons".
I condesned your post to get the relevant information. a) you were a guest of another sim. Thise means you'd adhere to THEIR rules. If you don't like them, move on. b) You were the agressive one. The others can be annoying. Ever heard of the MUTE option? If that little girl was so taking away your concentration so much, there is a very nice mute option, so you would not have to listen to her anymore... And watching her.. well guess you had other interest then it's only yourself to blame for. c) her actions were not against you, but at someone else. General rule: do not interfere with play of others unless you're invited. That's general consensus. d) you got the boot, ban and the whole thing because you simply ignored all points mentioned in a-c. Rightfully so. A friendly advice: maybe you should start working on that controlling that anger level of yours, so it will stop clouding your judgement. |
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Ziva Junot
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08-02-2006 08:24
First of all, i don't have a "no weap" sign on my land but i can assure you i will ban you if you use them. So use common sense next time instead of assuming things. Common sense to me is don't use weaps on any land except on those lands where there is actually a "weapon allowed sign".
Secondly, maybe these people knew eachother and they were playing around a bit, who are you to interfere with that? If you hear your neigbours fighting irl, do you knock on their door aswell to fight with them? I strongly doubt it.
Thirdly: ever met people who don't speak english very well? No? Time to wake up then. SL has a lot of non USA citizens aswell so stop dissing the girl who might not be able to speak/write english as good as you.
Bottomline: mind your own business. If someone doesn't personally attack you either with words or with weapons then you should just stay out of it. Walk away if it bothers you so much. You only decide the rules on your own land and when you come to public lands you have as much right to do what you want as anyone else has even if that means annoying you. And if the annoying gets too insane warn an owner instead of acting yourself.
If we all behaved like you, SL wouldn't have a big variety of avi's and personalities it has now.
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coldFuSion Cheeky
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08-02-2006 08:38
I do not understand how you could be annoyed and offended by comments and actions that were not directed at you.
I would agrue that your reaction and subsequent weapon use was innappropriate.
IRL people also can and do say and act in ways that can be annoying. I hope you do not react by drawing your 9mm and putting a bullet in them.
I agree a warning before being banned would have been nice but that is up to the land owners and/or managers.
Mind your own busines next time.
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Elgyfu Wishbringer
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08-02-2006 08:38
Excuse my ignorance, what is the difference between a furry and a furre?
(yes, I realise what a line I am feeding you all there, lol, but I do want to know)
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Soleil Mirabeau
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08-02-2006 08:40
From: pandastrong Fairplay guys i thought we were waiting *waits some more* |
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Jaycatt Nico
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08-02-2006 08:41
From: Vengence Opus So, the other day, I'm hanging around outside my shop. I look across the way, and there are two avies hanging out in the sandbox. They look shady. One is wearing a free Violator skin, the other a huge dino. The Violator had a tag, like, "O.G. Gangsta Blah Blah". Since none of the land managers were around, I went to check them out. Right away, they start following me around the sand box.
I turned around, and simply said "Yes?"
The Violator says something along the line of "Are you gonna step up or what ya little bitch?"
The Dino says, "Are you going to DEFY the Dino!" Totally cruising for trouble.
All I said in response was, "Not really." They immediately got bored with me and left.
In order for a fish to be caught, it has to take the bait. You've hit on a very important point, Vengence... When I'm playing a show, a lot of times (especially recently) there'll be a griefer or audio/text spammer or what have you, causing trouble. As tempting as it is to comment on the person and get angry at them over the audio stream, it's just never a good idea. Not only does it give them the attention they are looking for, but the emotion a performer conveys to the audience can influence the audience greatly. Getting angry or rude on mic can ruin everybody's good time. And you're right: they normally just leave on their own to find a more willing target. People don't come to see someone deal with hecklers (unless you're a stand-up comic, maybe), they come to hear music (live or DJ'd). If the performer is in a bad mood, odds are it will get spread around. If the performer is jovial and full of fun, that also tends to rub off on people. Better to go with the latter  |
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Jessica Elytis
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08-02-2006 08:46
The one bugging all wanting to "yiff" was annoying, but it is on an individual basis to say if it's harrasement. If you ask them to stop and they do, I don't concider it harrasment. Did anyone ask her to stop?
Technically all land is "No Weapons" land unless it has "Damage Enabled". Orbits, by thier nature, are griefing weapons when not used concentually (sp?). That means if you orbit someone you don't know, you are a griefer. By mistake, or by design, the tag fits. You have griefed on someone's enjoyment of SL. So no sign was needed to say "No Weapons".
I agree with the land owner's action of banning for the attempted orbit. I understand the OP's point of view and applaud the ideal, just not the means. Hopefully some wisdom comes from this and life becomes a bit better all around.
BTW, from what is described of the personally of the "orc" player, I believe a politely worded IM/Notecard may go a long way to getting you unbanned if you so wish. Mainly since you do admit the orbting was wrong and you did have good intentions at heart.
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pandastrong Fairplay
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08-02-2006 08:46
From: Jennyfur Peregrine Pandastrong is a furry name right? Give Flip a yiff for me, Jennyfurry. 
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Magnum Serpentine
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08-02-2006 08:47
Your problem is that you used a griefing device (Push weapon) for no reason. Yes its no reason. Was it any of your business why the furry was doing what the furry was doing? No. And since the orc (Or orcish person) banned you, this tells me the Orc was an administrator or owner of the island. Putting two and two together I reckon that the furry knew that the orc was the owner and was having fun.
Your attack was a griefing offense.
The proper thing to do would be to contact that sim's leadership, or file a abuse report or contact a Linden.
Orbiting was not the thing to do... Its a griefing offense.
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Dismay Wilde
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08-02-2006 08:53
From: Mickey McLuhan I'm sorry. I call bullshit. You orbited someone, or tried to, for no reason, other than you didn't like what they were saying TO SOMEONE ELSE, and you think that's OK?
You seriously think that it's ok to orbit someone for no real reason? I am agreeing with you. As a sim owner if you were building on my land and this happened and she wasnt bugging you at all and u did this..you would get banned..not her.. Furries sometimes dont talk in perfect english..if u cant stand them walk away..be the bigger person dont fall to 'someone elses' level |
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Lee Chikuwa
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08-02-2006 08:59
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Akuma Senn
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08-02-2006 09:10
It's pretty obvious that the fur who was annoying you is a griefer of some sort
Next time just put them on mute and go about your bussiness
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chastity Careless
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08-02-2006 09:18
Pi - Developers Haven and Public Sandbox
keywords "public sanbox"
you cant go into a sandbox, act on someone elses conversations and decide to remove someone lol. your lucky they didnt report you, and you find yourself into a 3 day suspension lol. trust me when i say its a rl possibility lol.
you know, and anyone who knows me here knows how true this is, i tend to get "passionate"about things myself, but the whole thing is, 1) i know enough to know not to interfere with someone elses conversations.
if it didnt invlove u why involve yourself?
2) as we all know..if there isnt a big fat red heart at the top of screen, then shooting, pushing etc whatever your weapons of choice are, is a big fat no no.
results are suspensions, and trust me again when i say LL doesnt care to hear your reasoning about who what or why. is why we have mute and ban options lol.
which brings me to next point....
if u didnt care for the actions or the conversations, why didnt u simply mute them? and go on about your happy way?
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Fenrir Reitveld
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08-02-2006 09:19
From: Elgyfu Wishbringer Excuse my ignorance, what is the difference between a furry and a furre? Quality of education? |
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whirligig Rutabaga
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08-02-2006 09:26
This thread made my lunch hour most enjoyable.
****waves at schwartz****
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Veiner Austinmer
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08-02-2006 11:16
From: Yiffy Yaffle Time for my opinion. i believe that girl with the bad grammer in the furry avatar was the real troll. If they had no info int their profile reguarding furries, had awful grammer, while running around trying to yiff EVERYONE then its quite obviuos they arent a real furry. Yiff isn't what furry is all about. A real furry would know that. It's just a lifestyle plain and simple. They were obviuosly someones alt, or just some retard trying to mess with people. Reel furrie keepin' it tight and fresh in da hizzy, cuz dey don't take heat dey can't keep off wit a bullet proof vest. my home boy schwartz have mad furry h8tin skillz but he okay in my eyez
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Miles Edgeworth
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08-02-2006 14:13
From: Jessica Elytis
BTW, from what is described of the personally of the "orc" player, I believe a politely worded IM/Notecard may go a long way to getting you unbanned if you so wish.
I ended up clearing the ban a few minutes later, anyway. |
