[edited] & Paedophile Posts?

Okay... I'm sorry... you are right... and so was the FBI when they ignored the agents who warned them that 9/11 was just around the corner. After all, they didn't follow proper protocol and the laws weren't in place to do anything about it at that time...


oh wait.. I was just suggesting someone at Linden look into this...

bella bella bella please!
No-one is attacking you for bringing up the issue. If anything, we've pointed out a means for you too discuss it without falling foul of the TOS.
Sometimes when you've experienced a trauma, and you find yourself in a situation that recalls that, your reaction can be overwhelming.
Please just take a moment, re-read the posts with a clear head, and you'll see what we are saying to you.

if this was a rl situation going to your neighbors wouldnt be a big deal and yes most likely people would raly behind you cause there no law or rule stating you can not mentions name publicly to other people in the community..

your fighting with apples and oranges(cant think of a better anyalogy(sp) your here fightin with people on weather or not the situation or the action of that behvaor is right or wrong, when no one is disagreeing with that.

what people are debating or explaining to you for the most part is how to go about addressin it within the rules of conduct to these situations

God, I hope this post snaps everyone out of their attack on me and finally see what I'm talking about.

I'm sorry... maybe if you had any way of understanding even an incling of what I'm trying to explain to all of you, you might be able to see past a few angry word and understand what I'm saying. I'm sorry I called her a moron for being retarded. I just meant she was being stupid in suggesting that my name calling was more of a crime than a person pretending to be a 9 year old boy having sex with adults....

I'll try to refrain from calling people names in the future while I also try to refrain from remembering what it's like to be a tiny little girl with her father's mouth on her vaginal region.

Interesting, that was a post criticizing you. It also is a post saying that downplays the seriousness of age play. Which is it? You are not making much sense now.

Work out your issues with a therapist, not in these forums, and not at the expense of other people here. I have a tremendous amount of sympathy for what you have gone through apparently, as I indicated earlier, sexual molestation is something that has affected my family as well. However, that doesn't give you license to act the way you are acting. You seem to be lacking all objectivity and rationality at this point.

Okay... 2 of these posts now... You sane people are getting this, right? I really am praying it is just the late night that has resulted in me being attacked for trying to draw attention to a potential problem that puts children at risk.

You think you are acting sanely? You quoted a post that was saying to you that you were missing the point and clearly stating that those participating in age play are not the real predators who would harm children, that they would not role play with another adult, and used that as example of a post that was supposed to provide clarity to what you are saying. I don't even think you know what you are saying at this point.

Yeah, you are probably right.

I should shut up when I see stuff that results in children being victimized as I was.

I'm truly sorry for bring your attention to it.

Oh for fucks sake. I don't have anything more to say to you, it's not even worth responding to anymore.

bella, I too am a survivor of parental molestation at a very young age. I know that flashbacks and triggers are as seriously traumatic as the original trauma as well.

I would encourage you to take up this cause privately with Linden Labs and also to talk to your therapist as soon as you can about this re-trauma.

Living out the trauma in an open forum is not going to be healthy for you, and in fact may cause triggers for other's. You are not alone, but I think you might need some distance on this so you can fight this as the adult you are now and not as a powerless 6 year old.

OMG!! I've just been caught sticking an Xcite Attachement into a Prim Cow!!!! Does this make me a RL practioner of Beastiality?

Do I need to spell this out for this guy or is someone else going to take a stab at it?

Sir... Role playing is a method of "touching on" a fantasy. Typically, role playing consists of fantasy and reality mixed in a way that brings sexual gratification to the participants. In the case of a slave/Master role play... the participats likely have predisposed personality traits that make those roles sexually exciting to them...

I, personally, am a submissive. I don't go so far as the full blown sex slave fantasy but I enjoy the submissive role in sex. I don't even understand the dominant role and could never play it. But even tho I consider the role submissive in a fantasy realm, I also have these traits in real life.

I agree that in MOST cases, roles assumed during sex play are likely harmless, I don't agree that because of this we simply close our eyes to all that we see.

Child victimization tend to follow patterns and protocol. It tend to start as fantasy and work its way slowly into real life. It tend to be highly ritualized.

So... say you have groups of grown men pretending to be 8-year-old cub scouts... and they are engaging in sexual fantasies with men acting like grown men... the fantasies continue and become more and more intense... as fantasies do... and everyone involve become so into these fantasies that they create more clubs/groups... dance clubs and organizations that foster the fantasy of 9-year-old boy and adult man...

is this about hurting a child or is this about a fantasy that a child would like this (the adult playing the child loves it... but he's an adult) or is this something that is simply a road we don't want people going down because the best they get is an orgasm, the worst is a child's life destroyed.

I'm sorry again for picking on someone's friend. If any of you had/have lived through what I have you wouldn't be so glib as to attack me for my form. You'd simply have said, "what? where? what can we do about this?"

Maybe the cynics and right wing are right about the Internet and the online world... maybe human beings can't handle that kind of freedom without finding a way to destroy other human beings.

Hey, bella. It's a bummer you were abused as a kid. No one here thinks abusing kids is okay. You've already been told the most effective way to go about reporting any suspect behavior on this site. You've also been told what forum rules you've violated yourself. Get a grip on yourself, okay? If we all got a free pass to ignore the rules and verbally abuse one another because of bad stuff that happened in our pasts, this place would be a total shithole. If, as a result of childhood abuse, you are unable to behave appropriately, look into getting help for your PTSD, and good luck with it . . . it's a crappy hand to have been dealt, and I hope you can overcome it.

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Get to bed, Cris! You've had an hard day!

Keep your condescension to yourself, thank you very much. You are the one who seems to need to have stuff spelled out for you in giant 72 point fonts.



Since you addressed this to me, I will point out to you that ONCE AGAIN I SAID THE EXACT SAME THING TO YOU, right here.



Let me translate that for you. Someone starts out role playing having sex with a child, looks at some child av porn, etc.. that spills over into seeking out real child porn, then ultimately trying to talk to an actual child instead of role playing, and then that leads to victimization. The pattern happens over and over again to victim after victim, and it is is something that needs to be taken very seriously. I don't know why you are purposely ignoring what I have said to you or why you have this need to pretend no one here is supporting you, but it it is bizarre.

Very wise and thoughtful advice, Kendra. I don't think many of us here on the forums (particularly in the middle of the night) are in the position to solve or address the very deep and serious issues brought up by the OP.

(Where were you a couple hours ago when the train left the station!)

well, let's see... I'm being attacked for drawing attention to an obvious problem that touches a very personal part of my own life experience... and then you structure your words in a way that gives some facts and ideas but still somehow has a way of not supporting me...

I'm sorry... It is like being jumped on by 15 men in dark alleyt and trying to hope someone helps you and the only thing you hear is "maybe you shouldn't have worn that skirt."

FACT: THERE ARE MINORS PRESENT IN SL ON THE MAIN GRID

FACT: SOME MINORS I HAVE ENCOUNTERED ARE AS YOUNG AS 12 AND 13 YEARS OLD

FACT: I HAVE REPORTED THE PRESENCE OF MINORS TO LL AND A FEW THAT I KNOW ARE STILL PRESENT IN SL

FACT: IN THE PAST I REPORTED AN ADULT SL MEMBER FOR GIVING CYBERSEX LESSONS TO A MINOR, AGE 14, IN RETURN FOR LINDEN DOLLARS. This member was not sanctioned or banned by LL, although she eventually cancelled the account she used to teach kids how to have cybersex. I had direct information from the minor concerning this incident, and the abuse report included a copy of the chat and it was still disregarded.

Just tonight someone was begging money from me inworld and it was clear this person had to be a minor. I also know of two members who allow their minor children to be in SL on the main grid using the parents account. I have actually spoken to a parent who covered for his minor child, age 12, when LL requested proof of identification after receiving numerous AR related to the minor. The kid is still in SL.

I once saw a 14 year old buy being led by a leash and collar by a female adult. The boy wore only a thong, pet collar and leash. I knew both members and warned the female, a grandmother in her 50s, that her sexual "pet" was younger than her grandchildren. Any thinking person would have discerned his young age immediately after one short chat with him, since he communicated like the kid he was and she had to have known.

I would totally bypass LL if I suspected any pedophile related activity and go to a web site such as http://pedowatch.com/, or a local police unit charged with investigating online pedophilia to report suspect activity.

Welcome to the world of "Torley Land" before being a linden Before "cool" ..........now..... No comment.

Yeah, you're right Kim, it's a bummer...

I'm glad you are one of the 1 out of 4 women in the US who got through your childhood safely.

Good luck to your children... let them know that actually, some people out here give a shit.

I have a 10-y-o girl avatar and I strongly disagree with you. And there isn't anything you can do about it.

(Being openly provocative is religious duty for me.)


She never said that. Torley said your calling name was against the TOS, and thus not welcome here (we don't have free speech rights here, LL gets to say what can or cannot be written in these forums).

Besides, any adult can pretend to be a 9-y-o boy and have sex with other consenting adults, it's not a crime either.

HOWEVER some offending content is already banned from SL, as mentionned in the TOS. Basically, racism / nazism is not welcome here. Feel free to ask that LL extend the ban to age play and other assorted things. I suggest you use arguments like those of Cristiano and others when doing that, since it will be far more effective than the way you've done so far.

And you know what ? I'll support you if you do.

Save your false, sarcastic apologies. No one in this thread attacked you - they told you why the original thread was closed, and suggested to you how to be more effective in raising this issue. You just didn't want to hear any of it, so you have invented this nonesense that we have victimized you in this thread. I offered you full support in my statements about the subject at hand. I told you from the very beginning what I think about it, and how my own family has been affected by it. You choose to ignore that, and that is your own fault, I can't make you comprehend or pay attention to anything I am saying, but I won't for a second let you mischaracterize in any way, especially on a topic I take so seriously. You seem to be wavering back and forth about whether or not in world age play is a serious issue - I think it is one of incredible seriousness, and I have been unwavering in my statements about that in this thread, in spite of your strange attempts to portray the contrary.

Thank you Katykiwi... I feel like I can at least go to sleep thinking that there are people who care at all about what I'm saying instead of attacking me for how I say it.

My mother was a teacher and was horrified as an adult when I told her what my childhood had been like... she said that she couldn't believe after being a teacher that she wouldn't have simply seen it and done something. It's obvious here tonight that people are so concerned with how words are spoken rather than what words meant that pretty much anything can go along unquestioned.

I'm a person with first hand experience... I see something I think is important to bring up to the community I thought I might be able to trust and I get attacked for how I put my words together... no one cares about what I've said, simply how I said it and that I may have hurt their friend's feelings (which I'm sorry for if I have).

Thank you for interjecting a little stream of reality as you see it...