[edited] & Paedophile Posts?

I posted a legitimate post asking about the status of the paedophilia element existing within SL and she/he quickly censored/closed my post suggesting it was some sort of personal issue... yes, I have a personal issue with paedophila, as I think any responsible adult should have.

Are the Linden's actively trying to make a safe haven for such behaviour or was this some kind of mistake?

I love SL so far and hope that this was some kind of misguided mistake rather than an attempt to protect a side of SL that most people would find unacceptable.

Well, you did run afoul of the no naming names rule. That's why you got pwned.


edit: you might get pwned again because you're not supposed to post new threads asking why you got pwned

It was definitely a legitimate discussion but as Enebran said connecting it to people's names is a no no. If it had just been a discussion on the general topic of age play in SL it wouldn't have been locked.

So if I witness someone planning a crime, I can tell everyone I've seen it buy I have to stop short of telling anyone who it was?

No, you should Abuse Report it, like everyone else.

I was told by another member that she reported a similar type of thing (adults pretending to be children getting their diapers changed with sexual overtones) and nothing became of her complaint. The Linden govermental structure is not a democracy and it doesn't have a constitution or laws set in stone. I believe there is an element using SL to further their criminal behaviors that victimize children so I think it is my responsibility as a citizen to include the other citizens of the community. Do I run to daddy or do I bring it up with other responsible adults?

What the everliving fuck is paedophile?

The reason you can't post names in the forums is because you're essentially making a personal accusation public without giving the other party a chance to defend themselves. It has a tendancy of being terribly unfair and only shows one side of the discussion.

If you're not comfortable ARing the person, then discuss it with them directly instead of coming to the forums and telling everyone else about it except them.


She wouldn't know if it had. LL doesn't generally inform people what happens to the subject of their AR.



In a RL situation, you bring it up to the cops, you don't write your accusations on an open wall.

I understand its an upsetting situation, but if your interpretation of the events didn't happen to be what actually occured, then you're making extremely harmful accusations publically. LL can access all chat and IM logs if they feel it necessary to investigate a complaint. Trust me, they have far more access to the facts of the situation. Its best to let them handle it.

I don't think we always know what the outcome of ARs are. That doesn't mean that LL hasn't investigated and dealt with the situation.

Everyone on the main SL grid is supposed to be 18 or over -- so, theoretically, all behaviors here are between consenting adults, role playing.

I personally find the sexualized age play behavior in SL abhorrent, and having dealt with the horror of a sexual predator harming a member of my family, I have zero tolerance for it. However, unfortunately the law is not on your side on this one. Virtual child pornography has been ruled to not be illegal, only actual photographs of children. Stories about pedophilia are also protected, as would be roleplaying in an online environment. Granted, LL doesn't need to follow the law to have a reason to terminate an account since they have a complete CYA TOS, but it is a grey area from a legal standpoint on how to enforce it. As such, making such damning accusations against someone publicly is not something you should proceed lightly with unless you are 100% certain, or you will be opening yourself up to a very clear cut case of libel. The accusation of pedophilia is very difficult to shake off, even if proven innocent.

So these SL names are now as legitimate as RL names? The name I mentioned is a FICTIONAL NAME! They are playing a ROLE and I'm naming the ROLE PLAYER!

I realize SL is a cool place and people can sometimes confuse rl with sl but I'm sorry, telling everyone that "Hottail Butterfuck" is a bad person isn't outing anyone!

And as far as this:
"Trust me, they have far more access to the facts of the situation. Its best to let them handle it."

Yes, let's just all hope the people "in charge" protect us. Of course, I'm an adult and I have personal experience with such issues but even though I see something in SL that I know is dangerous to our community, I should send a quiet little email to "the powers that be" and hope they do the right thing.

I have personally encountered some borderline paedophilic pics posted up before in SL. I contacted a Linden, and the said liaison went and asked the owner to remove the offending pic. Couple of minutes later, it was gone. This was in a mature sim.

"In a RL situation, you bring it up to the cops, you don't write your accusations on an open wall."

by the way... I don't want to call you an idiot in public but... SL is not RL and there are no COPS... moron.

I'm not saying anyone is a paedophile in RL, I'm saying that SL shouldn't tolerate anything that even "pretends" that that lifestyle is okay.

Yes, the law is not on my side... (I'm sorry it seems to be just MY side here) But you would think that a few other SL people might stand up with me and agree that there is no place for this behavior in SL.

Maybe I'm wrong and SL is a safe haven... I hope I'm not.

You are worried about it and think there are RL pedophile doing this. So proper action would be alerting LL who has their RL information and they will be able to contact the proper authorities, if their is reason to.

By naming names, you essentialy are judge and jury.

Virtual or not, it is still their reputation, and the person behind the avi would still feel the stigma attached. I think if you had described the situation generally, and left out any identifying remarks, your thread would have lasted.
The TOS is the TOS. It says don't name names, so don't.
I agree that the situation seems disturbing on the surface, but that's even more reason to play by the rules, so your point gets heard.

You had my support right up until this post. There is zero reason for you to be so nasty. Her analogy was perfectly valid, meaning that you would address it privately with someone who has authority to do something (aka the Lindens, who could look into it and terminate accounts if necessary as opposed to just inciting a mob with innuendo that can't do anything about it anyway). What a ridiculously pathetic response you just gave - it is more telling about you than about Cory.

bella Ophelia and unlubed anal play posts

Just the way you are choosing to address this topic is tactless and crass. Torley is generally considered to be a very likeable and considerate person by the SL community at large. Linking her name, especially, (or any member's name) to an inflammatory topic in this way- as the title of a thread written just to be scandalous so people will pay attention to you- makes you look like a drama queen.

It's understandable that you feel strongly about the issue, but this is not the way to make people take you seriously.

Bella: I don't believe anyone who has responded to your posts has implied that they think pedophillia is okay. What folks are commenting on is the process of reporting and complaining about behavior within SL which you (or any individual) perceives to be innapropriate.

Your explanation makes no sense - it is contradictory. Obviously, you have concerns that they will spill over their roleplaying desires into RL (especially the one playing the role of the adult aggressor) and harm a child, otherwise why would their roleplaying matter at all? The entire fear about age play is that like virtual child porn, it is a gateway behavior to feeding a RL desire to have sex with a child. The scary part is the behavioral science that studies sexual predators holds this theory to be true - the pattern is shown over and over again. It is something to be concerned about, and your turning this into a public drama fest is doing nothing to help the problem.

That's just super. I'm so glad you could jump in here with you mature discussion. The point was to take the issue to the ruling body (LL) if you want anything done about it.

As for the names being fictional names, it is against the TOS plain and simple. Don't do it.

Second Life creates an additional issue with the naming of names. As we are using the names as DBA names for businesses often times, making statements about an account can have a direct negative impact on someone's business, and with the emphasis on making money in SL, that could spill over into the legal arena. Additionally, there is legal precedent to an online screen name or handle being irrevocably tied to the user behind it.

Agreed - the thread title itself is inflammatory and should be edited.

Isn't this backwards reasoning, though? As in, the peds have done this, which isn't surprising (ie they have engaged in RP), but it doesn't say that all "age play" RPers then become peds. Although it obviously would be warning sign.

I would also like to say how great it is to have another age play thread.

Hm. Are you engaging in age play, here? *scrutinizes*