[edited] & Paedophile Posts?

Okay, so I get angry because people would rather defend a man's right to pretend he's 9 dancing in an adult gay club with sexual overtones right and left... I snap a little harshly and now you are on the side of the adults who want to live out child based sexual fantasies... okay... well you weren't a tough one to lose on the argument were you?

I disagree. Strongly. It should NOT be edited.

It should stand as a testament to the power of drama mongering to be an effective way to make other SL people not even consider standing up to agree that there is no place for whatever cause the person is trying to draw attention to.

No-one was defending that. They were simply pointing out the terms of the TOS.
And as has been noted, attaching Torley's name to the title of the thread was very much a personal attack, and very unfair.
You could gave raised the issue without naming names, and you could have ARed them, which would have been best really. If there really is an issue there, LL has the person's details, they're in a position to pass that on to an appropriate authority. They've done so in a different type of case at least once in the past.
They may well be quite sensitive to the situation, if that's what's occurring. I'm sure they would act not only out of a moral imperative, but also to protect themselves as a business from any liability.

I searched out to see if SL had a forum and then I posted something that I thought mature adults needed to be aware of and I was censored in less than 30 minutes by someone I know nothing about. I'm sorry if her years of fair play don't count with me, I've played SL for 2 weeks now and have discovered this issue tonight. Maybe I should wait a few years and try to figure out who I like and don't like before I post about such issues...

Or maybe a nice girl like her should think hard before censoring a post by a new member who is very concerned about something so important as crimes against innocent children being glamorized by entire communities within their fictional world.

My guess is that Torley is simply young and not aware of how this issue affect everyone in the real world. I'm sorry if that's the case... but she has the power to censor my post so she has to face up the the repercussions of doing so.

Okay... role playing is just fine... and my dad playing with my 6-year-old vagina is just fine too... kissing it was simply a way of playing out his whims... you go on believing that it is all harmless.

I don't think Torley's name should have to be associated with it as some kind of cautionary example, no matter how valid.

I believe now it the appropriate time to say...

This will not end well.

Do you lack basic reading comprehension? Nowhere in what I wrote did I say it was harmless, quite the opposite - I was saying how harmful I think it is. You are the one who said you were not implying they were pedophiles in RL - I was saying more than likely, it leads to that. I don't know what in the hell your problem is, but you have some serious issues - apparently with your father from that creepy, disgusting post.

bella please re-read the other's posts, with a clear mind, and listen to what they are actually saying.
You're digging yourself a hole here. Put down the shovel for a minute, and review the situation.

OMFG, it's like watching a train wreck.

Maybe if you thought twice before posting when angry, you'd realize that nobody is going to side with you if you are posting threads with titles meant only to be controversial.

Linden + Pedophiles= OMG!

V_V

If you cool off and compose a less self-righteous post tomorrow, then nobody will waste time attacking you for HOW you communicate and might actually listen to WHAT you are trying to say.

It is like watching a train wreck. Unfortuntately everyone has become so worried about the details of what is posted and who says what and who might have issues, that the basic idea is simply ignored.

Not one person simply said, "yes, out of 150, 000 people playing a game that allows everyone the ability live out any fantasy, there might be some problem areas that a victim might come across and be sensitive to."

Instead, everyone attacks the person who draws attention to the reality and points to language and attitude. I'm sorry if I've offended anyone with my real life experience with people of that particular mindset. I'll just shut up and let you all live this wonderful life.

When it's your daughter or son... close your eyes again and I'm sure it will all go away just like tonight.

The fact is however, that the person acting as the grownup knows that the person they are treating as a child is over 18 since we are on the adult grid. It's disturbing, heck yes, but it's not illegal child porn.

This would be illegal if it was taking place on the teen grid.

PC bullshit aside...

I posted a post suggesting that the Lindens spend a little more time looking at this issue and dealing with it and I was censored quickly and then attacked by all of you.

Disagree with my language all you want. You've made men like my dad smile tonight.

Be happy about that, he would be.

As awful and traumatic as this must have been for you, we must abide by the rules of conduct. If you saw a pedophile engaging in a crime, of course you must report it. Any citizen who fails to report that activity, no matter how painful it is to the family, aids and abettes a criminal (this is for adults of course. Children are easily coerced by victimizers into silence).

The problem is, as far as I know, it is not a crime to roleplay with another consenting adult. This ventures into the world of thought police. If I cry out "daddy" when I'm with my lover, am I guilty of thinking about a crime? If you think about a crime are you a criminal? Don't think of white tigers. I dare you. See what I mean? A thought police approach won't work here because innocent people would be indicted alongside the guilty.

If any person is a minor in SL pretending to be an adult, that should be reported also, for the safety of the child.

Again, you lack the ability to read. I said that very thing - that this is a problem that leads to serious issues. Here, I will highlight it for you in bold so you can't miss it, though I still can't make you read:



You are choosing to ignore that and stick your fingers in your ears. No person who responded to you said it is not serious or that it will just go away - they said that you should address it with Linden Lab, who actually have an ability to intervene. You are the one who has turned this into a trainwreck and made a mockery out of this very serious topic with your drama.

Okay, so some of you want me to go to the police and some say that would be promoting the idea of a thought police... so I post a post trying to get other people in the community to simply see this and disagree and instead of people looking into it, I get attacked like I'm the one with a problem.

Yes, I'm sorry if I have a problem with my next door neighbor creating a paedophile fantasy world in his basement...

I didn't go to the police, I came to my other neighbors and asked if we could do something about this... but no... I'm the bad person because I know what it's like to be the child victim of these kinds of people. I'm sorry I thought anyone would give a shit.

You go on believing it is all a fantasy role play and I'll go on remembering exactly how it felt.

If I didn't give a shit, I wouldn't have responded to the post. Don't assume you are the only one.

She is hell bent on playing the role of the only one who cares about this issue, no matter how you respond. I said nearly the exact same thing you did, and got the same reaction - in fact, I was accused of saying it was harmless.

And yet you are still finding creative ways to turn the argument around so that you are attacking me for bringing this issue up... strange how well you can say that you agree with some of what I say and yet act like I'm full of shit...

i think you should re-read everyone post i dont see anyone saying they think this behavor is healthy or something they would condone. most are simply stating to you or pointing out to you why your post was censored..

weather the behavor is right or wrong the point is it states clearly the TOS when making post and if you violate it action will be taken in this case it was censorship.

but to hurl anger and point finger at torley like how dare she is unnecessary specially since she is just doing what her job as a linden requires her to do, and she didnt another linden would have..

The actual sicko's won't be doing age play on SL, since they know they aren't actually screwing up a helpless child. Pedophiles go after children because they are children, they won't get the same experience out of a 24 year old pretending to be a child. This seems to be the jump your having trouble understanding.

Yes... read the posts from start to finish including my first post and tell me that I am not being attacked.

Perhaps it is just late and the sane people will show up tomorrow and make me feel like asking for some sanity in SL isn't a really bad thing.

Where have I once attacked you for bringing this topic up? Show me, I'll wait for it. When it comes to describing what I have said to you in this thread, you are full of shit, honestly. I told you that you had my support until you just out of the blue called Cory a moron for saying that it would be more effective to go to the Lindens about this than to discuss it with the community at large, which are really powerless to do much to stop it in SL. You further lost it with your bizarre characterizations of what I had to say. You haven't listened to a fucking thing that I have said, nor Persephone's well written response to you either.

Again, we have told you what can be done if you feel something illegal or not in keeping with the TOS occurs: you need to file an abuse report and/or contact LL directly. That is what your neighbors in SL have told you when asked what could be done.

If you feel something is improper, you should not feel bad, you should report it. But, once reported, you have to trust that the system of investigation/judgement/penalty that has been set up in SL is adequate and doing it's job.