Noobs that lack common courtesy

I think it would help me to understand your position if you chose one.

"I don't care if a person has been in SL since day one, or is a Linden, or is a furry, or is a Gorean, or has just joined yesterday. They should not walk into other people's homes as if the home was a public mall."

"Noobs that lack common courtesy"



But to me, if someone comes in dancing around naked, I'd be much happier to have them than someone who looks down on other people and stereotypes them. Maybe we just have different priorities.

I think it would help me to understand your position if you chose one.

"I don't care if a person has been in SL since day one, or is a Linden, or is a furry, or is a Gorean, or has just joined yesterday. They should not walk into other people's homes as if the home was a public mall."

"Noobs that lack common courtesy"



But to me, if someone comes in dancing around naked, I'd be much happier to have them than someone who looks down on other people and stereotypes them. Maybe we just have different priorities.

Bear in mind that the population of SL has skyrocketed in very little time; we're still reeling from the fact that for every really decent new player there seems to be about four who are obnoxen.

Not at all. I'm saying that noobs, as well as anyone else, should behave like civilised members of SL society, and not like burgulars, vandals and squatters. The problem I observed is that an exceptionally large percentage of the new people coming in to SL don't seem to have any concept of civilized behavior, or don't think it applies to them.

Are there rude people who have been here for some time? Certainly. I never said there were not. But that isn't what we are discussing here.

I don't care if a person has been in SL since day one, or is a Linden, or is a furry, or is a Gorean, or has just joined yesterday. They should not walk into other people's homes as if the home was a public mall. They should not build things on other people's property and leave them behind like trash. When told politely that they are abusing someone else's property, they should not ignore or be rude to people who have spent a significant amount of time and money trying to make something nice in SL.

Linden Labs allows people to purchase and own land, and to build homes and businesses in SL. Many residents take that seriously, and put a lot of effort into making nice homes and businesses, and into making that investment something they can enjoy.

We, as established participants, could do a better job of informing new participants of the expected acceptable behaviors. What is available as you go through new character creation hardly touches on issues that cause a lot of unnecessary friction between new people and other residents.

In the real world, would these people consider walking onto someone's yard, taking off their clothes, and dancing around on the homeowner's patio?

In the real world, would these people walk into a stranger's home and use their bed? Or help themselves to the use of the hot tub?

In the real world, would they consider it OK to dig up someone's front yard, and start building a house? Without even attempting to buy the land?

In the real world, would they walk onto a stranger's home waving a gun around?

Why do these people think it's OK in Second Life?

The price of a civilized society is behaving in a civilized manner. It isn't a question of 'freedom'. It's a question of respecting each other, and not treating everything and everyone around you as if it was of no value.

Why is it that so many of our new residents lack even the most basic level of common courtesy and civilized behavior? I don't mind at all if someone is new, if they just behave in a civilized manner, respond appropriately when spoken to, and have at least a modicum of respect for those around them. Is that really too much to ask? They seem to lack any manners at all. They seem completely ignorant of the concept that others might have any sense of personal property rights. They treat everyplace as if it was a public sandbox, or a public park that they should be free to explore at will. The idea that property others have paid for and homes others have built are not public spaces doesn't seem to have dawned on most of them.

Too many of the new people that have been showing up one my household's main parcel have been treating our property and residents with about as much respect and courtesy as one might show to the local garbage dump. We have spent a lot of time and money creating a lovely area for our homes, and our household owns a very large part of the sim. We have a number of builders and scripters in our household and among our friends, and had thus far resisted the action of locking down the building and scripting rights on the parcel.

Now, because of the rude and unthinking behavior of a handful of newbies, we have had to resort to banning all outside access from our land. Not because of deliberate griefing, but merely for outright rude behavior by a torrent of newbies.

In one 24 hour period:

I log on in the morning, to find that overnight we have accumulated three bright red aircraft, crashed and abandoned on top of or next to our outdoor spa, all left by the same newbie, whose account was created the previous day.

That afternoon, I find that between breakfast and lunchtime, another newbie has left a plywood platform hanging in the air above the crash site. His account was made that same day.

While one of our group officers was there cleaning up the mess, we had three newbies in less than 10 minutes show up and start using our land as a public sandbox, or otherwise acting rude and uncivilized.

One Human male appeared on the roof of the property owner's home, and started rezzing anything from a gun to boats. On seeing the gun, I activated a personal defense HUD. When the parcel group officer sat beside him and politely asked "May I help you?" he just said "Nope" and then ignored us as he continued to rez random objects on our land. When told he was being rude and asked to leave, he eventually did, without an apology. His account was new that day.

A minute later we had another newbie (Human male) playing with an elevator. When we said hello, he said hello, removed his clothes (in the presence of two women) and then ignored us as he started playing around in my neighbor's home. He also flew off, still nude, without a word when informed that his behavior was rude. His account was new that day.

When 5 more unknowns then appeared at almost the same minute on the edge of my defense HUD's scanner range, and appeared to be converging on us, we locked down the parcel.

The only civil newbie that showed up that day was a young woman, who asked to see inside my house. I happily started to give her a tour, but she apparently got bored and flew off after barely getting past the entrance. Her account was also less than 2 days old. If she had stayed around and talked, I could have given her a lot of nice freebies to get started.

Other newbies just strolled through the area and ignored any attempts to talk to them.

We are now doing a check of every item that our parcel's approved residents have, to ensure they are set to the appropriate land group, so we can set autoreturn on the property. We'll probably have to re-configure our group roles so only our land group can build on the property, and so almost anyone in the group can eject people and control the access list. Then, maybe, we can unlock the parcel again.

We had hoped to do some much-needed property updates that day, transferring ownership of some parts of our home, so remodeling work could be joined and archived with th erest of the build. But we didn't dare set any objects for sale with unknown people showing up every time we turned around.

*sigh*

Having been through Help Island recently I can say that except for the intro sections on basic user skills there is almost no information on culture, and civilization that explains any of the land owners rights....

[edited for brevity]

...While it's not that bad to a n00b who does not know what the rest of the world is like, the transition is jarring, to say the least...

My $0.02LND

=B-)

Not at all. I'm saying that noobs, as well as anyone else, should behave like civilised members of SL society, and not like burgulars, vandals and squatters. The problem I observed is that an exceptionally large percentage of the new people coming in to SL don't seem to have any concept of civilized behavior, or don't think it applies to them.

Are there rude people who have been here for some time? Certainly. I never said there were not. But that isn't what we are discussing here.

I don't care if a person has been in SL since day one, or is a Linden, or is a furry, or is a Gorean, or has just joined yesterday. They should not walk into other people's homes as if the home was a public mall. They should not build things on other people's property and leave them behind like trash. When told politely that they are abusing someone else's property, they should not ignore or be rude to people who have spent a significant amount of time and money trying to make something nice in SL.

Linden Labs allows people to purchase and own land, and to build homes and businesses in SL. Many residents take that seriously, and put a lot of effort into making nice homes and businesses, and into making that investment something they can enjoy.

We, as established participants, could do a better job of informing new participants of the expected acceptable behaviors. What is available as you go through new character creation hardly touches on issues that cause a lot of unnecessary friction between new people and other residents.

In the real world, would these people consider walking onto someone's yard, taking off their clothes, and dancing around on the homeowner's patio?

In the real world, would these people walk into a stranger's home and use their bed? Or help themselves to the use of the hot tub?

In the real world, would they consider it OK to dig up someone's front yard, and start building a house? Without even attempting to buy the land?

In the real world, would they walk onto a stranger's home waving a gun around?

Why do these people think it's OK in Second Life?

The price of a civilized society is behaving in a civilized manner. It isn't a question of 'freedom'. It's a question of respecting each other, and not treating everything and everyone around you as if it was of no value.

It not only NOOBS..lol ive seen some people that have been here for a awhile that are arse ... like the ones .over 50 or so that are set in there ways and wont Budge from things . Men & women alike .... lol Like tennagers ... they think they know every thing lol

Have you seen that side too ?

Bear in mind that the population of SL has skyrocketed in very little time; we're still reeling from the fact that for every really decent new player there seems to be about four who are obnoxen.

It not only NOOBS..lol ive seen some people that have been here for a awhile that are arse ... like the ones .over 50 or so that are set in there ways and wont Budge from things . Men & women alike .... lol Like tennagers ... they think they know every thing lol



Have you seen that side too ?

I think it would help me to understand your position if you chose one.

"I don't care if a person has been in SL since day one, or is a Linden, or is a furry, or is a Gorean, or has just joined yesterday. They should not walk into other people's homes as if the home was a public mall."

"Noobs that lack common courtesy"



But to me, if someone comes in dancing around naked, I'd be much happier to have them than someone who looks down on other people and stereotypes them. Maybe we just have different priorities.

I must agree with you, it's appauling to see that people look down at new players. I might start an "oldbies that lack common courtesy" thread .
If you want privacy, get a private island. If you don't like people walking in, turn on access controls.
If you want to be a hermit, fine, do so.
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Set in their ways?

Are you quite sure, after your behavior in the Gor thread, that you really want to throw stones on that score?

I don't know why you Confine your observation Only among the new residents, a signifigant number of the long time residents lack even the most basic understanding of courtesy as well. It's just a trait of modern western society.

"Discourtesy is unspeakably ugly to me."
Hannibal Lector, "Silence of the Lambs"

"Where ever possible, he preferred to eat the rude. "Free range rude" he called them."
Barny the Male Nurse. "Hannibal"

Angel.

Truth hurts Dont it !!!!

Beautiful quote ! /applause

Thank you Lecktor, the first of them is Probably my Favorite quote, and Closely reflects my own attitudes towards Rudeness (Though i don't really approve of his method for Dealing with it, I'm on a diet, and i just couldn't eat THAT Much.)

Angel.

I'm sorry, but you strike me as someone who's just looking for an excuse to be offended.

Someone complains about the influx of greater numbers of rude noobies, and gives a list of very rude behaviour that she's experienced lately, and...you get offended.

So are you saying that what she's dealt with is *not* offensive, and that she should put up with it? That she should not close off her land and should just deal with it?

Tell you what, if you think that the kind of behavior that she's dealing with is acceptable, then why don't *you* step up and buy and pay tier on an equal amount of land, and invite noobies to it to build how they will and behave how they will, and let other people refer the newbies who come along to you, "Anything Goes" zone?

If you're willing to do that, I might be willing to take you seriously. Otherwise, I'm afraid you're simply someone who is looking at people talking about how to deal with a problem that's effecting them, and simply going out of your way to find something to be offended by.