SL must be careful to protect ethics on the web

I stand by my quote:



By the way, I find it strange you have, what? Four posts to your name, and your entire function seems to be to support the thread starter? So far, you have no opinions on anything BUT this... In fact, you seem to have registered on the same day this thread started...

Thing that make you go Hmnnnnn?

I'm trying to avoid sounding like mookid... but the -FUTURE- SL will not be the same...

Believe it or not, myspace (probably) wasnt designed as a means for paedo's to browse galleries of 13 year old girls..

And I doubt the messenger programs you speak of were designed with "paedo-usability" as a functional priority..

What exactly (other than time - which appears to be mookid's point btw) separates SL from these programs?

Ye mookid introduced me to this and we share a similar point of view...

However, I'm open to someone changing my mind on this subject cos I really don't care what happens to SL... it's shite and massively unhealthy if you ask me...

Great point tho. Beautifully irrelevant.

Two points:

1. Imaright Pratt is the best name on here.
2. "Super Horney Pixel Bonking" will be the name of my first album if I ever take up music.

Someone please answer this and don't just ignore it like you have all of my posts

;D

I'm buying that album...

And this is why you're a Troll(tm) as well... You have formed your opinion, and have just stated better than I ever could about why arguing with you is a waste of my, or anyone elses time.

<wanders off to find a constructive discussion>

Oh ok.. good luck finding a discussion where everyone agrees and/or has no opinion at all. (you might want to go to church instead of an internet forum.. maybe even join a cult?)

How's about you actually friggin reply to what's being said rather than pick up on what you feel is 'the wrong way' to express one's opinion. By suggesting that the way someone is behaving is wrong, you are engaging in the exact act you are (feebly) attempting to chastise.

still waiting for a decent response to this *rolls eyes*

I've formed my opinion on how much I'm going to use SL, yes.

I think prolonged use of an artificial environment is a little strange when the RL environment is the same but er... better graphics, less lag and you can't teleport, you have to engage in exercise..

I can't know SL's future, but if it's anything like msn messenger, myspace etc. where might it be in the future?

For what, exactly? It's not very well phrased, and does not really lend itself to a sold reply.

"What exactly (other than time - which appears to be mookid's point btw) separates SL from these programs?"

What other programs? IM clients? Myspace? What is the point of the question?

To be honest, SL is currently more like a platform for development, like an apache web server. It is a server that send data to a client program. Space on the server is rented to users, and each person can chose what they do with this space. Nearly all content is created by other users, legally putting adult identification in the court of that providing user.

<shrugs> Is that what you were looking for?

Dumb question, so if someone coded something along the lines of an "age verification security ball" which pops a dialog when you go onto property that states "This area contains possibly adult content. Are you over 18?", would ensure that we have no legal liability when the j-random-crappy-parent decides to sue SL?

Yes allows them to stay, no kicks them outside the parcel.

Technically, this is what the teen grid is for, but considering someone who is sick of the teen grid can make an alt on the main at any time, it's probably a good idea before the lawyers start flying.

no.. I give up. There is no hope.. the people using SL are in the MINORITY (AT THE MOMENT). This means that LL has more power to change the way things work now and get it right before they are too far along to turn back.

The concept is simple; if you just leave it as open as it is - eventually SL will overtake myspace/msn/chat rooms (for the simple reason it will end up being a combination of all those technologies merged into one platform). If you're too simple as to be able to see where this is going then I would suggest that you are probably not of any value to this discussion and you should actually do what you said you were going to which is go away.

No offence but your attempts to contribute on this topic have merely wasted yours and everyone else's time.

PS. you CLEARLY haven't read the posts on here because we have allready established that it is YOU that will get sued. not SL. LL don't care about you or your massive cyber dong - they care about profit and not being held responsible for the way that profit is generated.

Ooooh, a user's manual speech - future prospects just don't matter when you've got a technical definition of how SL works to copy and paste from.

The question's fairly simple.. and it's not about how SL operates using an apache web server..

Bet you're really good at those spot the difference games tho..

Goodnight, Gracy...

Really? Well from what I saw CC verification was voted for by 'the people'... and then ignored by LL. That's not what the word "democracy" means, that's what 'United States' stands for.. duh..

Damnit mookid, i can see where this is going, LL has repeatedly told us thats where it's going, but god help anyone who points out any flaws in your argument!!

Please bother to read this post, ok?

LL has shown us many times with their actions that they intend to take a service provider stance. I.e. they provide the "land", we provide the content. Content providers ARE NOT/SHOULD NOT BE RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT THEIR CLIENTS HOST! The worst that could happen is someone could ask LL to take down or disable access to land because it contains something illegal (ala DMCA..), while the person who put the items there becomes open to lawsuit.

I'm just going to stop even trying after this. You've clearly shown that you only think your way is the right way, and nobody else even has a chance of being right.

Have a nice day.

I merely brought that up to make you aware of that fact.. I'm actually trying to help you, I didn't state that as an argument I merely pointed it out.

It's actually irrelevant anyway; I understand why LL take that stance - and quite frankly I don't blame them one jot.

The actual issue being discussed here is whether or not there is any real reason to NOT have CC verification. As I explained before - you can't just ignore a security measure because it's not full proof, and I gave the example of immigration laws.

In this world where there is a will, there is a way. But in my eyes stretching the gap and making sure that kids really do have to have a strong will to see SL and not just a youthful inquisitiveness is important. ESPECIALLY as SL grows into the internet revolution that it is soon to become.

*sighing*

Ok look mookid/Imaright/any other alts you have.....

LL is not a democracy. We do not have a vote in their decisions. We have what basically ammounts to a suggestions box (voting feature). It is a corporation. They had a decision to make, they made it. In fact, WEEKS AGO. You missed the boat. Find a new cause, this one is dead.

I do have a curiosity. You have repeatedly practically declared SL to be nothing but a den of sin and sweaty lust (hmm possible marketing strategy there? ) and all of us to be nothing but a bunch of fat smelly trekkies with our hands down our pants (trekkies are hawt ). So my question .... why are you here and where is your hand?

But no seriously, I dont make it a habit to say to people, "if you dont like it leave" ... But if this is the way you feel about this place and the people in it, why are you here and where do you fit in to your own analysis?

We're not the same person - but we do live together..

You seem to miss the point here: I have used SL for a day or so, and won't use it again (for a while at least). That's my choice and I'm free to make it, I don't need your suggestions that's not what this topic is about anyway.

Everything I said about 'trekkies' blablabla is just jokes.. I'm not a trekkie or a fat bloke and I've used this system so I don't expect everyone to be much different. It's called taking the piss. And I would've thought that anyone with a modicum of self-esteem would be able to read it as such.. so I make no oppologies, if you are ashamed of yourself change your lifestyle. If you aren't: laugh, or shrug it off as the nonense you proclaim it to be and move on. Don't compound the problem by bringing up my throw-away comments as if they are something worth discussing.

I still haven't heard a good argument for why there should NOT be CC verification..

Then why does any of it matter to you?


Because the people who own the company have made that decision.

If there is a corner bar in your neighborhood that you don't go to and don't like, that has decided to stamp people's hands at the door and let anyone in then wait till they actually come to the bar to buy a drink before asking for ID.... how does this affect you? Would you be standing outside the bar demanding the patrons explain their feelings on this, while declaring yourself better than them for not going inside?

That's basically what you're doing now.

I actually was laughing, I'm sorry my mocking tone wasn't apparent in my text.

The future matters to me. I thought that was clear by what i've said previously (if you actually bother to read it)





Not really a good analogy considering a corner bar can't really expand to consume the whole street.. then the town.. then a state.. then a country.. then a world.. can it?

I'm not sure whether you're familiar with the concept of government - but one of their jobs is to regulate industry so that basic ethics are followed to make sure that EVERYONE's (including parents who don't know about SL and the internet, but have kids that do) interests are taken into account.

And one thing I think they would insist on in this particular instance is that SL is made as difficult as possible to access for children - especially if the solution brings about no real negative impacts (such as introducing CC verification). If this game was distributed in shops it would be R-rated and therefore you would be required to prove your age when purchasing it; why should the rules be any different for LL just because it doesn't fit into their agenda to revolutionise interactivity on the web by making the game needlessly easy to access for anyone (including young, impressionable kids). << IMPORTANT POINT PLEASE READ THIS PARAGRAPH.

If you leave it like this it is going to end in tears. It is likely that alot of sueing will eventually take place. So if the greater good doesn't interest you very much try looking at it from the perspective of: "I could get sued so even though I don't care about anyone else I'd better protect myself", even though that's a pretty sad reason to care about something like this.



You're laughing at me for making stupid comments about overweight trekkies.. wow this must be the only place in the world where you can be mocked for NOT being a dork

I apologize. I had read it but I guess it got overshadowed by all the obsessive comments on people's sexuality and "guilty conciences". My bad.





Wow you must think really highly of SL to give it that kind of power. Let's see there are currently something like 7 billion people in the world (guessing) and 300,000 accounts in SL, a good 2/3 of those being alts..... we have a lot of work to do to accomplish this world domination you expect of us, we better get busy.



Again I apologize, I really should have been more clear. It was these comments I laughed at...
But I never meant to accuse you of NOT being a dork.

You've conviniently avoided the topic of discussion AGAIN. well done.

"Children should not be confronted with issues such as sexuality" - was not what I meant to say, I'm not a bloody old grandad and I understand that children should be educated about their sexuality. I was trying to say that the sexuality that goes on (for the most place) in SL is not a healthy one. A decent sex life cannot be run across wires, no matter how realistic the graphics are (you may disagree of course).

I don't know about you but for me, sexuality is about inter-personal and private relationship(s), not "super horney pixel bonking". I would like my children to grow up believing that sex is something special rather than just an appetite that they need to stuff themselves full with. Life, including sexuality, is mostly about balance and self respect, and SL is not a good place to start exploring that or learning about it (in my humble opinion).

That's besides the point anyway. What exactly are your reasons for agreeing with LL that CC verfication has negative consequences?