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Amber Palowakski
Baroness
Join date: 11 Apr 2006
Posts: 9
07-19-2006 09:32
From: Aldo Stern
Ah, then Desmond, does that mean I should tell Mr. Chadbourne to stop working on the aerial troop ships, and the assault suits for the...oh...um...I mean the "pleasure sky-barge"...

... yeah that's it ...the "sky-barge" for purely "recreational" purposes...and the "costumes" for the ...um...ah...the talent show! Yeah, that's the ticket, the "talent show"--you know, with those "dancers' costumes" (with the armor and rocket packs) for the "big finale".....yep, nothing to see here...move along folks...



Yes, Mr. Stern, and that's why Colonel Eusebio & Mr. Somme wear their artillery officer's unifoms...merely for recreational fashion. Caledon has no standing army, nope, uh uh, *shakes head* no way.
Robin Laffer
Boogie mans daughter
Join date: 29 Apr 2006
Posts: 75
07-19-2006 09:35
From: Huns Valen
Supposedly there will be a script call that will enable us to determine someone's "verified" status. I'm sure this will lead to more efficient, automatic forms of elitism and discrimination than those available today.


Here Here! bring it on, fed up of non verified accounts griefing and using my land as a sandbox.
Gynea Philo
Registered User
Join date: 11 Jul 2006
Posts: 1
07-19-2006 09:46
From: Io Zeno
I just figured out a way to house, feed and humiliate unverified newbies at the same time.

Indentured servitude. For, say, 3 months, to Alpha members. Sexual services optional. Regular beatings, mandatory.



Heee heee...I am starting what I hope to be a lucrative business finding newbies to sell to trainers for the SL slave market. The problem is they are so unmangeable...*sighs
Gottfried Eusebio
Registered User
Join date: 1 Apr 2006
Posts: 1
07-19-2006 13:29
From: Robin Laffer
Here Here! bring it on, fed up of non verified accounts griefing and using my land as a sandbox.



I have to admit, this is a complex issue. That there are two extremes we must avoid here cannot be denied. If we are not careful, we will end up with SL Jim Crow laws, apartheid, or worse, with newbies wearing yellow stars living in ghettos and concentration camps. As several pointed out, we were all newbies once, and I myself gave SL a three-day basic subscription trial run, albeit I did use my cell phone number in those days to verify my identity, before I decided to go with paying for premium service. On the plus side, the influx of newbies HAS seemed to level out the economy, and has given a near-endless supply of cheap labor doing work nobody with any building skills or money in the bank would do for a living (except maybe for fun).

On the other hand, unverifiable newbies are becoming a threat to social stability. Many people with vendettas against others can create unverifiable avatars at an endless rate, and harass their enemies without cease. As well, in general a class of citizenry has been introduced that has at best boorish behaviour as a hallmark, and at worse, downright destructive social skills. Nothing like popping into a club to visit your girlfriend and getting blasted into the stratosphere before you barely had chance to land. And with the endless supply of freebies available, unlearned newbies with WMD can be quite annoying. Additionally, as pointed out before, there is the added danger of being engaged in a sexual activity with an unverifiable, only to suddenly have the police knocking on your door for soliciting a minor, corruption of a minor, et al.

If nothing else, unverifiables should be restricted in their use of scripted objects. And really, unverifiables should not even be permitted in mature sims unless they can provide SL with proof of age. I myself smell massive lawsuit here waiting to happen.

Finally, it wouldn't hurt to demand that all newbies be paired with a mentor for their first several days or weeks of SL life. What can it hurt? As an incentive, SL could give these mentors a bonus to their weekly stipend per hour per newbie.

That there is a problem cannot be denied. I myself get frustrated with newbies and their nonsensical erratic behaviour. I have had naked newbies walk up to me demanding to see me naked, and others walking up and demanding a kiss, and others propostioning me. I've had them try to skyrocket me into SL outer space...which I don't mind if I am already planning one of my missions to space...but unexpectedly, it's a pain. I have had them come up to me and assault me with weapons unproked, try to cage me, and try to set me on fire. Still others tried to make me their submissive without my permission. Thank God for Mystical Cookie and her Mysti-Tool! Saved me from many bad things.

On the other hand, I have formed nice friendships with unverifiables, and have had pleasant experiences with them. Sad to say, it seems the nice ones are in the minority.

Finding a solution that works without resorting to Nazi tactics will be difficult at best. But it has been my experience in SL that its non-Linden leaders and pillars of the community are among the brightest and most innovative people on the planet. Putting differences aside and putting our heads together, we can as a global SL community develope policies and practices to deal with the newbie problem that will both alleviate the social disaster upon which brink we sit, without resurrecting the worst of mankind's tragedies of gulags, concentration camps, ghettos, plantations, sweatshops, and townships. I have faith in my fellow SL premium members, Estate and Island owners, Mafiosa Bosses, business moguls, and landed gentry in general to tackle this issue in a positive and productive manner without taxing the already overburdened Lindens.
Kiwoo Gandini
Registered User
Join date: 3 Jul 2006
Posts: 19
07-19-2006 14:48
From: Fallon Darling
so hmm - you want to ban someone who is new.. just because they are new and haven't paid (yet). How elitist of you.

I strolled around SL for 3 weeks before my husband and I decided we liked it well enough to sign up for the monthly fee. What led us to this decision - the welcoming people we met.
Due to the welcoming we have had, we have encouraged several other friends to also come aboard - and told them to explore before they make their decision.

If we instead had been greeted with auto-banning and such a *welcome* as you - the HARD CASH PAYING LONG TIME MEMBER who started this suggests.. we would not have stayed.

Perhaps you should think a bit more about your proposal? As others above said - we were all noobies once upon a time.


Well put. Reason ive stayed is due to the people ive met. Friendly, welcoming and helpful. Plus becoming good friends with some really nice people (they know who they are) "sold" SL for me.

One thing, that was highlighted in a earlier reply in this thread, was the fact it is too easy for young people to get a free account and have direct access to strong adult material. Even im shocked by some things. That is what worries me and needs to be addressed.

For me the easy option, is to limit non verified accounts to PG areas. That would keep the land owners happy, reduce the risk of minors getting access to hard, adult content. Yet still leave it open for a pleasent introduction to SL.
Fmeh Tagore
Just another fat guy
Join date: 12 Jul 2006
Posts: 670
07-19-2006 15:17
That sound completely reasonable. Very good.
Charisma Carroll
Registered User
Join date: 22 Jan 2006
Posts: 90
07-19-2006 15:23
so how do you determin who is a newbie and who just decided to create a new character . how do you know the newbie isnt paying for the game under another name? who do you know who is a newbie and who isnt???
Kiwoo Gandini
Registered User
Join date: 3 Jul 2006
Posts: 19
07-19-2006 15:35
From: Charisma Carroll
so how do you determin who is a newbie and who just decided to create a new character . how do you know the newbie isnt paying for the game under another name? who do you know who is a newbie and who isnt???


As many online games do, allow more than one Character to be created per account?

For me, this isnt so much about who is or isnt a newbie. Its about proving that they at an age to view mature content.

Its about protecting minors, and also adults that may get into situations that could turn out to be a major problem if the "partner" is underaged.

Would you like to imagine a younger member of your family getting access to all the content thats in SL? Im meaning 12,13,14 yr olds. I wouldnt, and how easy it is to create a account, put your age at whatever and access everything, does one thing to me.

It scares the hell out of me.
Lillie Guildenstern
Frigging Beacon
Join date: 14 Sep 2004
Posts: 49
07-19-2006 15:44
From: Annah Zamboni
What things in world can't an unverified newbie do that I can?


Certain shops have unverifieds banned, so even if you have cash in hand, if you haven't shared your CC info with LL, you can't get in.
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Amber Palowakski
Baroness
Join date: 11 Apr 2006
Posts: 9
07-19-2006 15:52
From: Kiwoo Gandini
As many online games do, allow more than one Character to be created per account?

For me, this isnt so much about who is or isnt a newbie. Its about proving that they at an age to view mature content.

Its about protecting minors, and also adults that may get into situations that could turn out to be a major problem if the "partner" is underaged.

Would you like to imagine a younger member of your family getting access to all the content thats in SL? Im meaning 12,13,14 yr olds. I wouldnt, and how easy it is to create a account, put your age at whatever and access everything, does one thing to me.

It scares the hell out of me.


Absolutely right! In my opinion, allowing unverifiables any access at all to mature sims and mature products was the worse mistake LL has ever made. The ramifications of allowing unverifiables to be able to come even close to adult content is frightening. It was really irresponsible of LL to permit this. I'll give LL the benefit of the doubt, and state the just didn't think this through, and are now suffering the effects of the Law of Unintended Consequences. Hopefully they will rethink their position and rectify this major blunder before it is too late.
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