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ZsuZsanna Raven
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Join date: 19 Dec 2004
Posts: 2,361
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12-15-2005 13:49
Feel free to check the Dacia sim for these where I live.
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Siggy Romulus
DILLIGAF
Join date: 22 Sep 2003
Posts: 5,711
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12-15-2005 13:57
I can't see what security or functionality flaw this "exploit" is exploiting. I can sort of see where they are coming from using 'exploit' If I set my land to no build and no outside scripts - I am saying that I don't wish people to build or run scripts on my land, however if you fly above my land high enough - you get out of 'range' of this and can build and use scripts - although saying this is using my 'server resources' for scripts I can agree with, despite it being not the most concrete of arguments - you can't deny that they are using your prims, against your wishes (setting of no build). So it gets around the land settings, knowing full well the wishes of the land holder - it uses a limitation (height of settings) to go against their wishes. I can see why they use 'exploit'. Siggy. _____________________
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Siggy Romulus
DILLIGAF
Join date: 22 Sep 2003
Posts: 5,711
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12-15-2005 14:00
This is explicitly allowed in SL. There's a margin of prims set aside for it.. THere is a margin of prims set aside in each sim quota for transient things such as vehicles and attachments. If you rez a cube on my land - you are using my lands prim quota - that I pay for. I can certainly see why people get their noses bent outta shape about it. _____________________
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Weedy Herbst
Too many parameters
Join date: 5 Aug 2004
Posts: 2,255
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12-15-2005 14:16
I'm not clear on what you mean by this word. Can you elaborate on exactly what this exploit is doing? Is it a denial of service exploit? Is it a local or remote execution exploit? The word "exploit" without qualifiers usually refers to the ability to bypass a trust boundary between two security domains (such as a code execution exploit or a privilege elevation exploit). I can't see what security or functionality flaw this "exploit" is exploiting. Buying land from another resident and placing a land scanner on it, is an old practice. It's been discussed here a thousand times before. However, when the Lindens open new sims, land must be bought from other residents when it comes for sale. The purchaser subdivides it and sells the remaining. Sometimes at a loss, or sometimes a 16m plot is purchased at higher than normal market value. It's "spyware" when someone uses a scripted object over another person's land for sole personal gain, whilst the owner is unwittingly party to the action. Last time I checked the TOS, spyware is a violation. _____________________
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Weedy Herbst
Too many parameters
Join date: 5 Aug 2004
Posts: 2,255
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12-15-2005 14:45
Surreptitiously intercepting data.
(v) take any actions or upload, post, e-mail or otherwise transmit Content that contains any viruses, Trojan horses, worms, spyware, time bombs, cancelbots or other computer programming routines that are intended to damage, detrimentally interfere with, surreptitiously intercept or expropriate any system, data or personal information; _____________________
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blaze Spinnaker
1/2 Serious
Join date: 12 Aug 2004
Posts: 5,898
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12-15-2005 15:47
Then I heard him comment to himself "Hmm... *edited* just purchased the property". The Linden then proceeded to tell me, "Well, I tried to send the parcel over to the Governor, but *edited* somehow got it first." Keep in mind, this was in less than 10 seconds. The support Linden then told me, "Well - *edited* is a fair guy - you can just deal with him." Heheh. _____________________
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Kazuo Murakami
Sofa King
Join date: 31 Aug 2005
Posts: 359
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12-15-2005 16:02
*edited* the *edited* *edited* and *edited*. *edited*, or *edited* "*edited* *edited* *edited*!" So *edited* *edited* *edited* *edited* monkey *edited*
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Bertha Horton
Fat w/ Ice Cream
Join date: 19 Sep 2005
Posts: 835
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12-16-2005 00:01
*edited* the *edited* *edited* and *edited*. *edited*, or *edited* "*edited* *edited* *edited*!" So *edited* *edited* *edited* *edited* monkey *edited* |
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Dyne Talamasca
Noneuclidean Love Polygon
Join date: 9 Oct 2005
Posts: 436
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12-16-2005 04:10
This is just hair splitting. So what if it isn't technically illegal? If it "isn't technically illegal" then asking people why they are calling it "illegal" seems like a pretty straightforward and reasonable question to me. _____________________
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Malachi Petunia
Gentle Miscreant
Join date: 21 Sep 2003
Posts: 3,414
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12-16-2005 04:42
It's "illegal" in SL if Linden Lab punishes you for it. Since they can't remain consistent from hour to hour, the definition is rather useless and is largely used by players to convince other players. However if I get punished for X and you don't is it "illegal"? Who knows, or cares?
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Argent Stonecutter
Emergency Mustelid
Join date: 20 Sep 2005
Posts: 20,263
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12-16-2005 09:02
There's a big difference between what your AV looks like and spyware scripts running on your land. Where is there "prims for other people to use" marked on land options? Land scanners don't grow exponentially because of threads like this where we put the kibosh on them. They are spyware that hides on land and uses resources that is not being allotted to it by a reasonable social contract of land-ownership. |
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Argent Stonecutter
Emergency Mustelid
Join date: 20 Sep 2005
Posts: 20,263
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12-16-2005 09:06
So it gets around the land settings, knowing full well the wishes of the land holder - it uses a limitation (height of settings) to go against their wishes. If you get bunches of them hovering over your plot, then that's a different matter, but there's no indication that that's going to happen. |
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Argent Stonecutter
Emergency Mustelid
Join date: 20 Sep 2005
Posts: 20,263
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12-16-2005 09:09
It's "spyware" when someone uses a scripted object over another person's land for sole personal gain, whilst the owner is unwittingly party to the action. |
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Martin Magpie
Catherine Cotton
Join date: 13 Nov 2004
Posts: 1,826
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12-16-2005 09:23
there were 3 friends.
two of these friends were bidding against each other for the same piece of property at auction. the 3rd friend was not involved in the auction but they were all chatting on her land. one of the friends left the property. time passed. for what ever reason a small object was found on her property soon after. it was 0.010x 0.010x 0.010 in size and contained a repeater script. a linden was called in Jeff Linden. He confirmed the script was a repeater script and the object was removed. there was just one problem. the object belonged to the friend that left the property. the two friends that remained on the property were in fact discussing highest bid prices for the land that was up for auction. a good decent friendship was ended that day. months later the gal realized that the script did not store information anywhere it just repeated what was said randomly. Friendships can be lost when we jump to conclusions, please have all your facts first. This is based on a true story, and I still miss my friend. Be kind to each other. _____________________
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Aimee Weber
The one on the right
Join date: 30 Jan 2004
Posts: 4,286
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12-16-2005 09:28
OOPS! *post removed cause i somehow stuck it in the wrong thread*
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