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Illegal Land Scanners At 600 Meters

ZsuZsanna Raven
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12-15-2005 13:49
Feel free to check the Dacia sim for these where I live.
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Siggy Romulus
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Join date: 22 Sep 2003
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12-15-2005 13:57
From: Argent Stonecutter
I can't see what security or functionality flaw this "exploit" is exploiting.


I can sort of see where they are coming from using 'exploit'

If I set my land to no build and no outside scripts - I am saying that I don't wish people to build or run scripts on my land, however if you fly above my land high enough - you get out of 'range' of this and can build and use scripts - although saying this is using my 'server resources' for scripts I can agree with, despite it being not the most concrete of arguments - you can't deny that they are using your prims, against your wishes (setting of no build).

So it gets around the land settings, knowing full well the wishes of the land holder - it uses a limitation (height of settings) to go against their wishes.

I can see why they use 'exploit'.

Siggy.
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Siggy Romulus
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12-15-2005 14:00
From: Argent Stonecutter
This is explicitly allowed in SL. There's a margin of prims set aside for it..


THere is a margin of prims set aside in each sim quota for transient things such as vehicles and attachments.

If you rez a cube on my land - you are using my lands prim quota - that I pay for. I can certainly see why people get their noses bent outta shape about it.
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Weedy Herbst
Too many parameters
Join date: 5 Aug 2004
Posts: 2,255
12-15-2005 14:16
From: Argent Stonecutter
I'm not clear on what you mean by this word. Can you elaborate on exactly what this exploit is doing? Is it a denial of service exploit? Is it a local or remote execution exploit? The word "exploit" without qualifiers usually refers to the ability to bypass a trust boundary between two security domains (such as a code execution exploit or a privilege elevation exploit). I can't see what security or functionality flaw this "exploit" is exploiting.


Buying land from another resident and placing a land scanner on it, is an old practice. It's been discussed here a thousand times before.

However, when the Lindens open new sims, land must be bought from other residents when it comes for sale. The purchaser subdivides it and sells the remaining. Sometimes at a loss, or sometimes a 16m plot is purchased at higher than normal market value.

It's "spyware" when someone uses a scripted object over another person's land for sole personal gain, whilst the owner is unwittingly party to the action.

Last time I checked the TOS, spyware is a violation.
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Weedy Herbst
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12-15-2005 14:45
Surreptitiously intercepting data.

(v) take any actions or upload, post, e-mail or otherwise transmit Content that contains any viruses, Trojan horses, worms, spyware, time bombs, cancelbots or other computer programming routines that are intended to damage, detrimentally interfere with, surreptitiously intercept or expropriate any system, data or personal information;
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blaze Spinnaker
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Join date: 12 Aug 2004
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12-15-2005 15:47
From: someone

Then I heard him comment to himself "Hmm... *edited* just purchased the property". The Linden then proceeded to tell me, "Well, I tried to send the parcel over to the Governor, but *edited* somehow got it first." Keep in mind, this was in less than 10 seconds. The support Linden then told me, "Well - *edited* is a fair guy - you can just deal with him."


Heheh.
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Kazuo Murakami
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12-15-2005 16:02
*edited* the *edited* *edited* and *edited*. *edited*, or *edited* "*edited* *edited* *edited*!" So *edited* *edited* *edited* *edited* monkey *edited*
Bertha Horton
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12-16-2005 00:01
From: Kazuo Murakami
*edited* the *edited* *edited* and *edited*. *edited*, or *edited* "*edited* *edited* *edited*!" So *edited* *edited* *edited* *edited* monkey *edited*
How dare you mention Mr. M----- by name!
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Dyne Talamasca
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12-16-2005 04:10
From: Dianne Mechanique
This is just hair splitting. So what if it isn't technically illegal?


If it "isn't technically illegal" then asking people why they are calling it "illegal" seems like a pretty straightforward and reasonable question to me.
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Malachi Petunia
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12-16-2005 04:42
It's "illegal" in SL if Linden Lab punishes you for it. Since they can't remain consistent from hour to hour, the definition is rather useless and is largely used by players to convince other players. However if I get punished for X and you don't is it "illegal"? Who knows, or cares?
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Argent Stonecutter
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12-16-2005 09:02
From: Hiro Pendragon
There's a big difference between what your AV looks like and spyware scripts running on your land.
If there's a spyware script running on your land, maybe emailing conversations home or something, you'd have cause to complain. But you don't seem to be complaining just about spyware, you're complaining about ANY scripts in objects over your land even if anything they happen to be transmitting is public data.
From: someone
Where is there "prims for other people to use" marked on land options?
There's a certain amount of CPU time and memory set aside on every sim to allow for other people's stuff. It's not associated with any given parcel. If there's nobody running scripts but you, you get to use that, but the Lindens have stated that this is a windfall, you don't own that CPU time or memory.
From: someone
Land scanners don't grow exponentially because of threads like this where we put the kibosh on them.
Threads can't "put the kibosh" on anything.
From: someone
They are spyware that hides on land and uses resources that is not being allotted to it by a reasonable social contract of land-ownership.
That's your opinion, yes. I don't happen to agree that any landowner has absolute rights to control everything over their land... in RL or in SL. Now if you have another reason than absolute control, OK, but it doesn't sound like they're doing anything illegal to me.
Argent Stonecutter
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12-16-2005 09:06
From: Siggy Romulus
So it gets around the land settings, knowing full well the wishes of the land holder - it uses a limitation (height of settings) to go against their wishes.
The fact that an object is using a limitation in a landowner's control doesn't mean that it is illegally doing so. Unless the Lindens say otherwise, and unless these are causing significant harm to the landowner (I mean, I'm right up against my prim limit myself but I wouldn't begrudge One More Prim), then there's no reason to describe them as an "exploit".

If you get bunches of them hovering over your plot, then that's a different matter, but there's no indication that that's going to happen.
Argent Stonecutter
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12-16-2005 09:09
From: Weedy Herbst
It's "spyware" when someone uses a scripted object over another person's land for sole personal gain, whilst the owner is unwittingly party to the action.
Um, no, it's spyware if it acquires personal or private information and discloses it to a second party. Getting an early alert about public information isn't anywhere NEAR "spyware" territory.
Martin Magpie
Catherine Cotton
Join date: 13 Nov 2004
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12-16-2005 09:23
there were 3 friends.

two of these friends were bidding against each other for the same piece of property at auction.

the 3rd friend was not involved in the auction but they were all chatting on her land.

one of the friends left the property.

time passed.

for what ever reason a small object was found on her property soon after. it was 0.010x 0.010x 0.010 in size and contained a repeater script.

a linden was called in Jeff Linden. He confirmed the script was a repeater script and the object was removed.

there was just one problem. the object belonged to the friend that left the property.

the two friends that remained on the property were in fact discussing highest bid prices for the land that was up for auction.

a good decent friendship was ended that day.

months later the gal realized that the script did not store information anywhere it just repeated what was said randomly.

Friendships can be lost when we jump to conclusions, please have all your facts first.

This is based on a true story, and I still miss my friend.

Be kind to each other.
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Aimee Weber
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Join date: 30 Jan 2004
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12-16-2005 09:28
OOPS! *post removed cause i somehow stuck it in the wrong thread* :o
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