Illegal Land Scanners At 600 Meters

I ask again, can you or anyone else cite a specific part of the TOS or CS that makes placing an object at 600 meters on someone else's parcel "illegal"?

An object or a scripted object? Can I put my skybox over your land? The TOS doesn't tell me I can't so I will ar you if you return it.

you CAN put a skybox on buildable land. it is NOT illegal.

If the owner returns it, that's his or her ability, which is why the ruleset allows it. This, of course, would also not be illegal.

again, "I don't like this!" is not the same as "This is illegal!"

Now here's the grey area. I keep replacing the skybox after Suzanne exercizes her ability to remove it. Fill it up with scripted prims which effects the sim performance and prevents her from using the prim allotment which she has paid for. Objects that intentionally slow server performance or inhibit another Resident's ability to enjoy Second Life are examples of Disturbing the Peace per the Community Standards.

Then Suzanne throws your stuff off again, and bans you from the land?

This sort of thing could be prevented if we could set prim limits on our land differently for individual avatars.

I'd like to point everyone to the following new vote topic:



This would empower land owners to have full control over what is and isn't on their land, as well as who it all belongs to. Follow the proposal's link to its discussion board for more talk on the subject.

I would like to address this, IF you find something of mine on your land be sure to return it, OR better yet message me and I will come get it. I don't want it there anymore than you do. But I don't think you will find anything of mine on your land.

While on the subjects of "Land Scanners". Weedy has bought this issue up so, lets all play a game today and release a 16sqm spot just for fun to see who comes to it!! I bet that you will be shocked that the person that is griping so much about these things IS the person that will show up. Weedy might you know anything about what I'm talking about??????? I bet you do. Also fly around, this person owns HUNDREDS of 16sqm spots.

But anyhow, just try releasing a 16sqm today, and see who shows. funny! I think you will be very shocked who shows up.

Just had to put my 2 cents in.

Well, well well.... look who shows up.

First of all, your scanners are placed above NUMEROUS sims where you do not own the land. Unless you want to call the Lindens liars too, I'd be real careful what you say.

Secondly, you have your scanners on the hundereds of plots that Calvin Millions owns (More than 500). Each one is strategically placed at 600 meters, tiny and transparent AND its named after EACH SIM YOU REZZED it in...that is no accident. (ie) Building Block Mi or Building Block Blanda or Building Block Athetis, so you know goddam well what you are doing.

Thirdly, I bought and payed for my land at market value and often greater market value. It's my land, my script, my data. I don't hide my identity, I don't post in the forums under an alt and I do not drop scripts on land I don't own.

Don't you worry, your actions have landed you several abuse reports. Your placing scanners on land you don't own is cheating. You have the opportunity to buy land in those sims, yet you are using a predatory tactic to gain an unfair advantage.

Well as I said in the last post, If there is anything on your land please message me, and I will come get it. I don't want it on there anymore than you would. This whole thread is some kind of a slander attack on character. The forums have become nothing but places to attack individuals. And on the 500, 16sqm spots you are referring to that is NONE of your business. You have these items spread through hundreds of sims, on 16sqm plots, so don't preach about that issue, unless you are planning on removing these!


As i said before try releasing a tiny spot of land today! See who shows up, might amaze you!

A reminder to everyone - please do not post threads which personally attack other Residents, appropriate forum guideline copied below:

My how things change when the shoe is on the other foot. Someone brought up the last time someone tried to use the grid for their solitary benefit and the communal response to the horribly selfish act. At the time blaze or Jumpy or Calvin or whatever the hell his name is said:andandI guess he answered his own questions. Probabaly time for some new alts, Champ.

You got my available vote. I would love to see this.

I suspect this whole thread will be moot as Bo Linden has said they will soon be exposing land for sale web services.

An easy way before to figure out if you have a land scanners in your sim. Subdivide a small section, 16sqm plot. Release that piece of land you will be able to buy it back for L$16. But just wait and see if anybody come around by watching the mini map. (Should be with in a minute or two.) You'll be surprised who comes around, I was. But now it bit more riskier because they can tp right on top of that land because of p2p and might beat you to the punch before purchasing the land back.

I gave it the 10 I got back from P2P.

Is this already reflected in Travis's landowner rights voting proposition? If not, might it be a good idea to incorporate this into Travis's proposition to avoid splitting votes?

cooler idea - release 16 x 16 in the middle of a big plot and set security scripts all around that are really really really poorly written that push the crap outta ppl that get near it

Land Baron pong!

And this is "illegal"?

Why?

Are there SL laws against surveillance?

1. The deceptive, hidden nature. Same rationale was given last time.
2. Use of someone else's land for solely your benefit.
3. This does not scale.

I'm not clear on what you mean by this word. Can you elaborate on exactly what this exploit is doing? Is it a denial of service exploit? Is it a local or remote execution exploit? The word "exploit" without qualifiers usually refers to the ability to bypass a trust boundary between two security domains (such as a code execution exploit or a privilege elevation exploit). I can't see what security or functionality flaw this "exploit" is exploiting.

But, unfortunately, you'll still be you (figuratively speaking). Have a nice day.

Agreed, Argent. The first time "expolit" was used to label land-scanning was, I believe, when someone was accused of cracking-open the SL protocol so that an app that they had written could catch "find" data to reveal new land on sale, or of mining the SL web site for the same data.

Since then, people uncertain of the TOS-related meaning of the work "exploit" have been erroneously applying it to inappropriate situations - like this one.

So if someone's playing a character that's a different age, race, or gender than their own, and refuses to talk about their own First Life, that should be illegal.
This is explicitly allowed in SL. There's a margin of prims set aside for it.
Neither do all kinds of things in SL. heck, SL itself doesn't scale very well. This is only a problem if there's enough of a positive feedback mechanism to make it necessary for it to scale. Land scanners have not proven to grow exponentially and thus run into a scaling problem.

There's a big difference between what your AV looks like and spyware scripts running on your land. Don't pretend they are even marginally the same thing.


Where is there "prims for other people to use" marked on land options?

I'm sorry, I use my land for my prims and my scripts, and visitors should not be having persistant scripts. That's just plain overstaying your welcome.


Land scanners don't grow exponentially because of threads like this where we put the kibosh on them. They are spyware that hides on land and uses resources that is not being allotted to it by a reasonable social contract of land-ownership.