SL Insurgency: When/Where/How Will It Strike Next?
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Allana Dion
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05-05-2006 00:19
From: Jamie Bergman Its been a relatively quiet 4 days. We've all been able to enjoy SL without any major insurgency interruptions. As you may recall, insurgents successfully brought the grid down twice last weekend. Hopefully, LL has been busy rooting out the insurgency and developing contingency plans to maintain order should another attack occur.
Any predictions on when/where/how the next insurgency attack will take place?
My guess is that they will try to strike again over the weekend. From an insurgent's point of view, its probably the best time to strike because LL is probably the least staffed on the weekend. Sunday seems especially vulnerable.
I'm not sure what the next attack will be though. Most likely some lame self-replicating, pushing attack.
What say you, the community? Curious.... I notice the pattern with you is to post these outlandishly irrational statements... "Communist infiltration" .... "rooting out the insurgency"... etc. It leads me to consider the possibility that even here in the Forums, you are roleplaying somehow, that you come here and post to play the role of the great misunderstood political messenger of doom or something.
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Aodhan McDunnough
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05-05-2006 01:24
The grid attacks don't qualify as an insurgency. Yes, an insurgency fights for a higher ideal they believe is right (even if by your book it's not right). Higher ideals are like freedom for the masses, religious matters, national pride, survival of family, survival of community, freedom of speech, bringing down an oppressive government.
Attacking something purely for ego or griefing is not a higher ideal, hence we're not dealing with an insurgency.
If someone starts off that LL is oppressive ... get real, it's a business, it's their server, they can make whatever rules they want for as long as it does not violate a real-life law. Unlike being in a country, presence in Second Life is a choice of ours, not an obligation.
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Jamie Bergman
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05-05-2006 06:21
From: Zepp Zaftig So, which one is it? Neither, I just want to live as a free Capitalist.
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Jamie Bergman
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05-05-2006 06:23
From: Allana Dion Curious.... I notice the pattern with you is to post these outlandishly irrational statements... "Communist infiltration" .... "rooting out the insurgency"... etc.
It leads me to consider the possibility that even here in the Forums, you are roleplaying somehow, that you come here and post to play the role of the great misunderstood political messenger of doom or something. No, there is no role playing going on. I believe 100% that SL is becoming a breeding ground for Communists and internet terrorists. We need to be vigilant and keep an eye on these elements.
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Jamie Bergman
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05-05-2006 06:24
From: Aodhan McDunnough The grid attacks don't qualify as an insurgency. Yes, an insurgency fights for a higher ideal they believe is right (even if by your book it's not right). Higher ideals are like freedom for the masses, religious matters, national pride, survival of family, survival of community, freedom of speech, bringing down an oppressive government. I don't know if you've read the Moonflower Manifesto, but it clearly has a higher ideal. Now, whether these IW insurgents are abiding by/for it is another question. But to say there is no higher ideal is poppycock.
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Marker Dinova
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05-05-2006 06:28
From: Jamie Bergman Its been a relatively quiet 4 days. We've all been able to enjoy SL without any major insurgency interruptions. As you may recall, insurgents successfully brought the grid down twice last weekend. Hopefully, LL has been busy rooting out the insurgency and developing contingency plans to maintain order should another attack occur. Any predictions on when/where/how the next insurgency attack will take place? My guess is that they will try to strike again over the weekend. From an insurgent's point of view, its probably the best time to strike because LL is probably the least staffed on the weekend. Sunday seems especially vulnerable. I'm not sure what the next attack will be though. Most likely some lame self-replicating, pushing attack. What say you, the community? Jamie, do you always wear skimp schoolgirl outfits? They keep my mind thinking... 
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Jamie Bergman
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05-05-2006 06:38
From: Marker Dinova Jamie, do you always wear skimp schoolgirl outfits? They keep my mind thinking...  No, I've got this sexy Bondgirl outfit I've really come to love lately. 
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Spoony Spork
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The following is parody...
05-05-2006 08:48
You know what, Jamie? You're right! I can no longer sit back and allow Communist infiltration, Communist indoctrination, Communist subversion and the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.
Down with the Communist Pigs! Up with Capitalism interpreted like the Bible! VIVA LA INSURGENCY!!!!111
>.> <.<
What?
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Jamie Bergman
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05-05-2006 09:16
From: Spoony Spork I can no longer sit back and allow Communist infiltration, Communist indoctrination, Communist subversion and the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.
Great movie.
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Jopsy Pendragon
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05-05-2006 09:35
Whyever would the Forum choose to employ any singular specific term?
It is obvious to everyone that the categorical collective is always irrevocably relevant and true in every case!
We must eschew the grand fallacy of doubting that all truths are absolute! The agenda of those relativistic truth holders threatens to undermine all that is good and proper!
The right thinking capitalists and hoi polloi must prepare, these are the times of transition!
The tide of communism, normally so content to ebb and flow upon the beach, now threatens to scour our great nations with its mighty tsunami and tidal waves of nonsensical lack of self-interest!
Band together friends, we will drive the sea back and it shall be no more.
-- Beware the jabber talk my friends, the metanymies that bite, the metaphors that catch! beware the pundit bird and shun The Frivilous Synedoche!
(Thought is the victim when caffeine is absent. Today I need a double espresso vanilla hammerhead.)
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Allana Dion
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05-05-2006 11:16
From: Jamie Bergman No, there is no role playing going on. I believe 100% that SL is becoming a breeding ground for Communists and internet terrorists. We need to be vigilant and keep an eye on these elements. Be vigilant and keep an eye on these elements.... ok and then what? Lets play a hypothetical... Jamie I am a communist. I believe that all of SL should be free to the masses and that no one should make any money, ever. (going with what seems to be your definition of a communist here) You have been vigilant and kept an eye on my element and you have rooted me out. So.... now what? Oh and the "internet terrorist" crap... ya not even gonna touch that. Terrorists kill people, grid crashers waste people's time, hardly comparable and not remotely funny.
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Jamie Bergman
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05-05-2006 11:24
From: Allana Dion Jamie I am a communist. I believe that all of SL should be free to the masses and that no one should make any money, ever. (going with what seems to be your definition of a communist here)
That is the exact definition of a Communist. Someone who believes in redistribution of wealth. As opposed to someone who believes that you are entitled to keep whatever you earn. This type of thinking is dangerous and counter-productive to SL, which is founded on the basis of content creators selling things for RW money. The idea is that they create awesome content which makes SL fun. They do this because they can devote resources to do so because they receive compensation. If SL ever gets taken over by the Communists (or if it had started Communistic) all we'd probably have would be defective porta-potties without any toilet paper. Nobody would have any incentive to make anything cool, because it would just be given away to the huddled masses.
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Briana Dawson
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objection
05-05-2006 11:35
From: Jamie Bergman
This type of thinking is dangerous and counter-productive to SL, which is founded on the basis of content creators selling things for RW money.
SL was not founded on the basis of selling things for RL money. Briana Dawson
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Billybob Goodliffe
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05-05-2006 11:35
someone mind refreshing my memory on what Communists and these poor lonely children who didn't get enough hugs when they were little have to do with each other? now as for calling it an Insurgency only gives them creditiblity, which we don't need to do. the easiest way to get rid of these types of ppl is to ignore them. i run several CS servers and have had dozens of ppl try and bring them down over the years, and the best way to get them to stop trying is to not let them see you get mad or irritated. its like getting poison ivy, the more you scratch the worse it gets, but if you leave it alone it goes away on its own.
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Allana Dion
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05-05-2006 11:37
From: Jamie Bergman That is the exact definition of a Communist. Someone who believes in redistribution of wealth. As opposed to someone who believes that you are entitled to keep whatever you earn.
This type of thinking is dangerous and counter-productive to SL, which is founded on the basis of content creators selling things for RW money. The idea is that they create awesome content which makes SL fun. They do this because they can devote resources to do so because they receive compensation.
If SL ever gets taken over by the Communists (or if it had started Communistic) all we'd probably have would be defective porta-potties without any toilet paper.
Nobody would have any incentive to make anything cool, because it would just be given away to the huddled masses. *breathes a heavy sigh* I know a ton of people who make really cool stuff just for the sake of making it and it has nothing to do with money. But ok, you win, I give, not arguing anymore. Enjoy your paranoia. Just keep in mind, you offend many people when you compare the annoyance caused by online griefers to the traumas caused by real life terrorists. No one has ever been murdered or maimed by a scripted prim. EDIT: Oh and *points to the word "hypothetical" in earlier post which you conveniently left out of the quote*
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Jamie Bergman
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05-05-2006 11:41
From: Briana Dawson SL was not founded on the basis of selling things for RL money.
Briana Dawson Then thats what its morphed into. Its how its being marketed. Don't shoot the messenger (me).
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Jamie Bergman
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05-05-2006 11:42
From: Allana Dion/ EDIT: Oh and *points to the word "hypothetical" in earlier post which you conveniently left out of the quote*
Was an oversight. Nothing personal. Commie 
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Briana Dawson
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05-05-2006 11:50
From: Jamie Bergman That is the exact definition of a Communist. Someone who believes in redistribution of wealth. As opposed to someone who believes that you are entitled to keep whatever you earn.
This type of thinking is dangerous and counter-productive to SL, which is founded on the basis of content creators selling things for RW money. I'm not shooting the messenger. It's just that you claimed a way of thinking was counter productive to SL because of a reason which is invalid. So "That type of thinking" actually is not counter-productive to SL? Briana Dawson
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Jamie Bergman
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05-05-2006 11:51
From: Briana Dawson I'm not shooting the messenger. It's just that you claimed a way of thinking was counter productive to SL because of a reason which is invalid. So "That type of thinking" actually is not counter-productive to SL? Briana Dawson Well, it is if you seek to force it upon everybody. Or nationalize any SL industries.
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Billybob Goodliffe
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*sighs
05-05-2006 11:58
you want to know what is counter-productive? the direction this thread has gone
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Kerian Bunin
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05-05-2006 12:01
From: Jamie Bergman Nobody would have any incentive to make anything cool, because it would just be given away to the huddled masses. Thats the main reason I give away some of the aircraft I make.
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Billybob Goodliffe
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05-05-2006 12:03
so jamie if I understand you right, the stipend you get paid for being a premium member is communism since you didn't earn it?
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Briana Dawson
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05-05-2006 12:05
From: Billybob Goodliffe you want to know what is counter-productive? the direction this thread has gone Well getting things back on topic. I predict the next insurgency attack will occur in the 3rd week of June at the Welcome Area. Briana Dawson
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Billybob Goodliffe
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05-05-2006 12:08
*glances at board
I'll take last weekend of May for Help Island, Alex.
oh and i deleted my post about this thread being counter-productive because i thought of a point that i wanted to see addressed my Mrs. MaCarthy (Jamie Bergman) address
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Flavian Molinari
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05-05-2006 12:13
From: Jamie Bergman LOLZ! Everyone knows you NEVER want to become involved in a land war in Asia. Rule #1 of military strategy. I agree but we (the US) is in Iraq.
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