Either Philip's account got hacked - or dwell is gone.

Dwell is not an incentive plan. It is a flawed system that is rampantly abused. The examples you give aren't even remotely relevant. It almost made me vomit to read it. You should be ashamed.


Most people who provide volunteer labor are poor people just biding their time so they can ask for a handout in a thread like this. If you expect to get compensated it's not really volunteer now is it?


I do you twit. How dare you personally attack my character! You are a hateful individual and deserve to be banned from this place permanently!

Why just last week a donated L$2 so one of the many whore dancing in the SL clubs. I do my part. I am a good person with a beautiful heart.

popcorn - movies - disneyland analogies aren't working so well and so far as I can see neither side on those arguments work - for or against.

Dwell - the micropayment made per day is insignificant stacked against the developers bonus based on Dwell over a month..

It's gone.. and yet many places still exist - the question you should be asking is 'why?'.

Where you should be looking isn't at 'No dwell kills porn clubs yay!' because thats not going to happen - they existed before dwell and you can bet your bottom dollar they will exist afterwards.

As will casinos, tringo halls, and all that jazz.

If you're worried about whats going to go bye bye from the micro payment and how to survive - you should be looking at how these folks stay around and stay in biz. Then adapt that to your own plan.

The universal truth is that if something stays in SecondLife its because one way or another it pays to stay. Be that from Dwell/Sales/Donations/Splitting Tier/ or just plain paying.

People who want SecondLife to pay for itself (or make a profit - but I'll deal with just breaking even) will have to make plans to make that happen. Government subsidies are obviously fickle creatures, and so folks will have adapt to survive.

Some adapted to the tax change - some didn't. Some adapted to the teir change - some didn't. Some adapted to the Developers incentive change - some didn't.

Some managed to stay around through it all - rather than point fingers at what is so wrong, you should be looking at these people and asking what are they doing right.

My only problem with this post is that it is several months too early. Dwell ain't gone yet, jefe.

Basically, that you can't just pay US$0.03. For starters I don't think you can buy just L$10, but that's beside the point: paying that L$10 gets you an hour's entertainment, but then it's done. And the next hour will cost you L$10 too, and so on. And not only that, but all the money you spent on that nice av now has to be balanced against the cost of getting to do anything with it, and...

Personally, what I'd be in favour of doing is getting a group of location/event owners together and having them all sell a monthly subscription that entitles someone to unlimited use of the facilities of everyone in the group for a month at a time. Much more like a standard MMO model (and the standard MMO model might not be that great but people are familiar with it) and means people don't have to watch the clock all the time.

Fine. whatever. charge by amount of attachments or how many bananas you ate, for all I care.

My point was, if the content is compelling enough, people will pay. Period.

I actually expect to see something along these lines pop up before too long. It actually wouldn't be that difficult to do, the tools are already there in scripting - it's really just a modified security script. What would make this EVEN EASIER would be a higher limit to the number of avatars you can place on the access list of a parcel (IIRC there are already LSL calls to add and remove agents from access / ban lists). Another way to do it would be the ability to script adding someone to a group, but that could very easily be abused so I don't see scripted group additions / ejections happening.

I've got my own other projects going, otherwise I'd jump on this - if you were the first to get a workable script to do this to market, you could *very easily* sell it for a LOT of money. Get to it!

I doubt anyone had a problem adjusting to taxes going away, did they?

coco

Yes they did - taxes were replaced by the land tier system with prims.

Some people managed to keep their entire SL experience self sufficient using only L$ - after the point what you could do was very dependant on USD.

Now consider GOM and co were aways down the line. People had to give up land and builds they simply couldn't afford.

there is a rumor of stipends going away too.

There's any number of rumors out there, regarding SL.

Most of them belong in that SL urban legends thread. I have no reason to believe that the stipend rumor doesn't belong in it, as well.

That's folly. You can't remove stipends entirely, because the amount of money entering the world would become zero, while the money sinks would continue to pile up. Horrible plan.

They might reduce stipends, like 4-5 months down the line (if the removal of Traffic doesn't fix inflation), but they're not going to remove it.

Who's the source of these rumors? <not serious, but befuddled>A Linden?</not serious, but befuddled>

I am really curious.

Sure, but you're eventually going to eat somewhere. Wherever it is, that's where you're "shedding dwell". Maybe in the mall attached to the theatre, or maybe at home with food you bought at the grocery store... but that grocery store is paying property tax that's supporting your local schools and parks out of that money you spent on necessities.

And even if YOU don't buy popcorn, enough people do.

But if people were avatars, none of them would buy popcorn.
Yep, you can do that once. If I go to a club in the real world, I might buy a T-shirt once, but I'll buy a drink every time.
Will they? I bought my popcorn before I went in. I bought it because I was hungry, not because I thought it was a good movie.
So does popcorn.
... then it's doing its job.
You know that people do donate money to contests?
If you've got "an event or whatever" that's really awesome, then there's nothing wrong with asking for donations whether or not you get dwell.
Only if I can knife you in the face for bringing up camping chairs again.

Philip Linden, Robin Linden.

My monthly payment to Linden Labs pays for ten bucks (actually, with tier, that's 35 bucks) worth of entertainment. How they arrange for making Second Life worth that money is their problem. If what I find entertaining includes being able to hang out with my friends without buying 47 different group memberships and micropayment tokens and access fees, then it's in Linden Labs interest to make that possible, because that's what they're getting the money from me for.

"Land" and "Lindens" are just bookkeeping on Linden Labs servers. They only have value because Linden Labs is providing an environment that's fun to be in. If they screw things up so it's not fun to be in, then that stuff ceases to have any value, and I'll cease to pay 'em for it.

(you're like the people who think it matters whether Apple uses Linux or BSD under Mac OS X or whether they use AMD or Intel processors... people don't buy computers for the CPU or the OS, they buy them to run applications, and what you're buying is the ability to do the stuff you bought it for)

I'm sorry, I can't parse this. See my last message to Teddy Kennedy, then try again.

Fair enough. You confused me, 'cos I just have a problem with the idea that a texture is physical but a park isn't, since I can't even rez a texture into the world.

USD $.03 plus using up one of my 3 remaining group slots or paying another USD $.03 every day for a land pass, as well as bouncing off more ban lines, and having "you're a frealoader, push off" security scripts... that's too much to pay to hang out with a friend for an hour at a club they're a member of. So I'll bop over to one that doesn't charge, or find another place to hang out, and IM him "hey, when you're through hanging out at Whatsit's, meet me at Thingummy...". And odds are he'll go "hell, send me a TP".
Expected results: we'll find that there's really not much you can do that's so cool that most people will put up with the hassle of paying for, and eventually someone's going to come up with a "pass" of some sort that works pretty much exactly like dwell: you pay L$300 a month and every day part of that L$10 for the day gets passed out to the places that used the pass that you hung out in. And we'll be back where we are now, except you'll have half a dozen attachments using up HUD points flashing advertising at you... and it won't work any better than dwell, and people will game it, and it'll cost more and be more annoying...

Yes it is. It's a flawed incentive plan, but it's an incentive plan.If I showed this to a friend of mine who took off work when Hurricane Katrina hit and spent most of the first week doing things like taking old ladies to the restrooms in the Astrodome because they couldn't walk, you'd be lucky there's no way to give someone a clip on the ear over the internet.

Me, I helped a charity out with free tech support on their suddenly overburdened systems. They didn't charge me for the power the computers were using, though...
Ah, so if the Red Cross gives you cokes while you're working on the lines you're not really volunteering.

Ah you beet me to it...