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Wonderful New Scam...Watch Out Designers..

Ashlin Leandros
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07-20-2006 15:56
AMEN MERLYN! ok first off, the top designers KNOW HOW to mark their items for resale, never have I EVER seen an outfit for sale, by the designers involved in this, marked copyiable and transferable..this is an outright scam and these people must be stopped...PERIOD!
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Perseus Ni
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07-20-2006 16:00
From: Antonio Knight
<snip>

Third, in the most recent patch installed on Wednesday, July 19th, has given ANYONE the ability to get a sample of color AND/OR textures from any object they come across, and can make their own versions in an almost exact duplicate of others' creations.

<snip>
Anotnio Kinght


Sorry, but this is not the case. The eye dropper is documented to only allow you to grab a texture you have full rights to.

From patch notes here /3/c8/120915/1.html

* Eyedropper tool
** Added the ability to pick colors and textures from objects in view (and that you own) inside the color picker and texture picker
** When depressed, the button changes the mouse cursor and activates a "pipette" or "eyedropper" tool
** The user can then click on another object in world to grab the texture/color of the face that they clicked

Perseus
Addison White
Just call me Assi!
Join date: 18 Jan 2005
Posts: 127
07-20-2006 16:01
Also, they are not "clearing" out inventories...when I buy a fake outfit from said person's yard sale..and she slaps out another and another and another. They are cheap, fake knock off's that they are passing off as Nyte, Dazzle, Blaze items. I understand you wanting to try and protect your friend and that's fine, but after being approached about this, not only did the refuse to take them down, but it was made into a huge ordeal. Why can't they just put the items into a box MADE by them? Why does it have to be by another creator???? But people can go see for themselves, or I'd be happy to show you the outfits in game, how they look ON. Or geez, just look at the knock off pic. That's not "clearing out their stuff.." Someone has stolen a texture, put it back in game..and made cheap copies and is selling them out. Now, if these said people didn't do it, then they are just hurting themselves more by NOT saying where they got them. So...by keeping them up, and not taking them down, that is actually admitting some guilt. So they also have to deal with what comes with that.

-Addi
Merlyn Bailly
owner, AVALON GALLERIA
Join date: 7 Sep 2005
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07-20-2006 16:01
From: Ashlin Leandros
AMEN MERLYN! ok first off, the top designers KNOW HOW to mark their items for resale, never have I EVER seen an outfit for sale, by the designers involved in this, marked copyiable and transferable..this is an outright scam and these people must be stopped...PERIOD!


Ashlin, please email me -- not IM-to-email, please, real email?

[email]merlyn-bailly@hotmail.com[/email]
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Addison White
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Join date: 18 Jan 2005
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07-20-2006 16:07
I love even more, the MAIN said person's profile:

We are real life ppl playing a game... smile and be good to each other ... be happy , .have friends .. we all have our ups and downs... in rl as in sl... we can hurt and feel same as in rl ...


I love it, just like someone said the people who put NO DRAMA, yet start most of it. :D
Nyx Divine
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07-20-2006 16:09
I scooted over to one of the persons listed as a scammer, and in the box of a supposed designer item I couldn't tell who the creator of the clothing was when looking at properties, but the two prim skirts that were part of both outfits were apparently made by Ryan Linden. Does Ryan make clothing?
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Addison White
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07-20-2006 16:13
From: Nyx Divine
I scooted over to one of the persons listed as a scammer, and in the box of a supposed designer item I couldn't tell who the creator of the clothing was when looking at properties, but the two prim skirts that were part of both outfits were apparently made by Ryan Linden. Does Ryan make clothing?



LOL no..I don't think so. But then again, have times gotten so hard that Ryan Linden has to spend his days making flexi prim skirts for BLAZE*???

lol Addi
Nyx Divine
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07-20-2006 16:18
From: Addison White
LOL no..I don't think so. But then again, have times gotten so hard that Ryan Linden has to spend his days making flexi prim skirts for BLAZE*???

lol Addi



Actually was a *Mis* outfit (supposedly) made by Janie Marlowe.

And man I love her stuff *drools*
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Myst Panther
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07-20-2006 16:38
From: Merlyn Bailly
One of the 3 just sent me an IM-to-email msg telling me to take her name off my site or else.


You aren't the only one who's gotten a nasty PM today. *chuckles*
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Merlyn Bailly
owner, AVALON GALLERIA
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07-20-2006 16:42
From: Myst Panther
You aren't the only one who's gotten a nasty PM today. *chuckles*


Personally, dear, I'm a cat-lover -- in my book, a house is not a home without a cat.

BTW: Got a logo I can use on my site for yours?
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lana Birdbrain
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07-20-2006 17:10
I swung by this yard sale mentioned and while I didn't look around for long I did notice some freebies being sold, thought thankfully not at hugely exhorbitant prices. As for the other things mentioned in this thread, I couldn't find them but A) I didn't look at contents in boxes and B) I didnt buy anything to look at it closely. The following is the list of freebie items I saw being sold and the prices they are being sold for.
freebie - hooters outfit - 20L$
freebie - heart bikini - 10L$
freebie - pansie outfit- 20L$
freebie - purple bat renamed sexy spider - 20L$
freebie - queen anne - 20L$
freebie - masterbater - 50L$
freebie - sex stand - 50L$

Now I do understand that when someone runs a yardsale allowing others to place items there is sometimes the possibility someone, unknown to you, will place freebies for sale. I know that when I host my yardsales, I check for freebies being sold each day and return to the sender any I find with a warning. But that doesn't appear to be the case here, this looked like a one person yard sale.

A side note to Merlyn:
I noticed on your website you name three culprits. I won't post their names here but one of them with the initials SJ I was not even able to find in the search window. The other with the initials BC I couldn't find any connection to the yard sale owner JD anywhere. They don't have the same picks, aren't even members of any of the same groups. What are you claiming is the connection? How did you link these people to this? The person with the initials BC is a name I've heard around SL before. I'm not saying I know her or can make any claims to her guilt or innocence but you are claiming she's guilty so I'm wondering what your evidence is?
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Merlyn Bailly
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07-20-2006 17:17
From: lana Birdbrain
I swung by this yard sale mentioned and while I didn't look around for long I did notice some freebies being sold, thought thankfully not at hugely exhorbitant prices. As for the other things mentioned in this thread, I couldn't find them but A) I didn't look at contents in boxes and B) I didnt buy anything to look at it closely. The following is the list of freebie items I saw being sold and the prices they are being sold for.
freebie - hooters outfit - 20L$
freebie - heart bikini - 10L$
freebie - pansie outfit- 20L$
freebie - purple bat renamed sexy spider - 20L$
freebie - queen anne - 20L$
freebie - masterbater - 50L$
freebie - sex stand - 50L$

Now I do understand that when someone runs a yardsale allowing others to place items there is sometimes the possibility someone, unknown to you, will place freebies for sale. I know that when I host my yardsales, I check for freebies being sold each day and return to the sender any I find with a warning. But that doesn't appear to be the case here, this looked like a one person yard sale.

A side note to Merlyn:
I noticed on your website you name three culprits. I won't post their names here but one of them with the initials SJ I was not even able to find in the search window. The other with the initials BC I couldn't find any connection to the yard sale owner JD anywhere. They don't have the same picks, aren't even members of any of the same groups. What are you claiming is the connection? How did you link these people to this? The person with the initials BC is a name I've heard around SL before. I'm not saying I know her or can make any claims to her guilt or innocence but you are claiming she's guilty so I'm wondering what your evidence is?


Witness statement -- the OP of this thread gave me the names and assured me that they are definitely involved.

As one person peripherally involved (as the rel of the freebie seller/ripoff scammer) admitted to passing things on to the person, I gather the other two have something to do with how she's getting the items to sell.
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lana Birdbrain
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07-20-2006 17:24
From: Merlyn Bailly
Witness statement -- the OP of this thread gave me the names and assured me that they are definitely involved.

As one person peripherally involved (as the rel of the freebie seller/ripoff scammer) admitted to passing things on to the person, I gather the other two have something to do with how she's getting the items to sell.


Ok first believe me I do understand the need to out theives and scammers, shame can be a nice preventative tool. However you are going on one person's word in naming other people and you have already had to retract one name you posted I noticed. In the case of the person with the initials JD there is proof, I saw some myself. But in the case of the other two people all you have is someone's word? Or am I misunderstanding? I'd be careful about that, you are affecting people's reputations.

So my next question would be has anyone spoken to the other people named yet and gotten their story? Has anyone located any actual proof the other people named are involved that can be verified?

Again I'm not defending anyone's guilt or innocence, I'm just saying proof is important.
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Merlyn Bailly
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07-20-2006 17:30
From: lana Birdbrain
Ok first believe me I do understand the need to out theives and scammers, shame can be a nice preventative tool. However you are going on one person's word in naming other people and you have already had to retract one name you posted I noticed. In the case of the person with the initials JD there is proof, I saw some myself. But in the case of the other two people all you have is someone's word? Or am I misunderstanding? I'd be careful about that, you are affecting people's reputations.

So my next question would be has anyone spoken to the other people named yet and gotten their story? Has anyone located any actual proof the other people named are involved that can be verified?

Again I'm not defending anyone's guilt or innocence, I'm just saying proof is important.


I didn't exactly RETRACT the one name -- I modified -- she's still involved, as she gave items to the thieving b*tch that's selling them. And I seriously doubt that the OP would have named people that she could not directly identify as being involved -- probably by being the one who ripped off the texture (on which their name would be recorded as the "owner" at that point). So, yes, I trust my source.
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Wanda Rich
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07-20-2006 17:30
From: lana Birdbrain
I'd be careful about that, you are affecting people's reputations.


I don't see anyone running here to claim their innocence
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Infiniview Merit
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07-20-2006 17:36
It is getting to the point that Freebies need to be "verified".

Zoe made a point about old scams. Is Caveat E :cool: mptor the place to learn about these?

Or is there a complete lists of scams to be careful of anywhere?

And I wonder if there has been any progress or discussion
on the feature of a separation between the "give away" and
"resell" checkboxes?
Ashlin Leandros
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07-20-2006 17:43
You absolutely right Wanda...not one of theses "accused" has come here to try and redeem themselves. Granted, maybe they havent seen this post yet , but judging by the way one of them reacted last night , I doubt seriously she even knows how to read or locate a post, let alone try to defend herself
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lana Birdbrain
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07-20-2006 17:53
BTW... totally offtopic I know. But seeing some of the Mischief boxes at that "yard sale" made me want to go look at more at the real Mischief store and look at their real stuff and wow... as a designer myself I am totally jealous! Adorable stuff! Made me want to go back into paintshop and practice my skills. LOL

EDIT: Also bought an outfit and dam I look hot :p
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Nyx Divine
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07-20-2006 17:53
I only stopped by JD's place, saw the same freebies you listed, she said she was old and sick and these things confused her so was cluless about what may be in the boxes that she bought in BULK from others. Do with that what you will.

And yes you DID change the names on your blog now....sheesh

And Merlyn weren't you also the person who was screaming about content ripoffs earlier?

A modeling studio and mayhap a skin if memory serves?

/109/ae/119553/1.html

I despise folks who rip others off be it freebies or ripped textures or whatever...but I make damn sure I know what I'm talking about.

Sorry but three strikes and in my book your out

*makes note of name of blogger this time before jumping on some bandwagon*

man I feel stupid
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Addison White
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07-20-2006 17:53
From: Ashlin Leandros
You absolutely right Wanda...not one of theses "accused" has come here to try and redeem themselves. Granted, maybe they havent seen this post yet , but judging by the way one of them reacted last night , I doubt seriously she even knows how to read or locate a post, let alone try to defend herself


Well, I did let the MAIN said person know about the post, and she did respond to me saying that I was lieing....but yet did not post to deffend? And I even told her to give her side..yet she still has not. BUT....said person has sent several of her friends/relatives to me and a few others, trying to "mediate" the situation..only to orbit us when we made our point. Actions speak WAY MORE then words on this... Seems people usally do go into a panic when their stone cold guilty.


On another note, as being the OP, I did give names when asked, and did put in a retraction on Candace Sullivan..b/c after a very long talk, I honestly did believe she had nothing to do with this person or their actions. So I did appologize for that, just as I would if we found out any other's involved were innocent parties, but as it stands now..they are not. I've talked with several nice designers tonight, I love that we all can ban together to try and brainstorm any sort of solution. This theft is getting just entirely out of hand. One day, I hope, we will have a better system for things like this.

-Addi
Wanda Rich
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07-20-2006 17:59
From: Nyx Divine
I only stopped by JD's place, saw the same freebies you listed, she said she was old and sick and these things confused her so was cluless about what may be in the boxes that she bought in BULK from others.


funny, in her profile pic she looks to be around 19-22
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Nyx Divine
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07-20-2006 18:01
From: Wanda Rich
funny, in her profile pic she looks to be around 19-22



Damn I didn't see that *goes back to look*, and yeah that didn't REALLY wash w/ me but wasn't gonna bother.
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Jonas Pierterson
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07-20-2006 18:02
From: Merlyn Bailly
Jonas, you know better than to use NAMES in the forums. <spank!>


Shes a friend :P

~spanks Merlyn with his steel cane~

lesson one- never spank a Gorean Master
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Merlyn Bailly
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07-20-2006 18:07
From: Nyx Divine
Actually was a *Mis* outfit (supposedly) made by Janie Marlowe.

And man I love her stuff *drools*


She's got new stuff out now -- pics in the NP forum and one pic on my NP report page, a really nice dress.
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lana Birdbrain
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07-20-2006 18:08
From: Jonas Pierterson

lesson one- never spank a Gorean Master
Unless you're just lookin to get one to spank ya right back? :p
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