Possible thieves ripping off MODELING STUDIO designs?
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Merlyn Bailly
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07-09-2006 21:18
There have been 3 modeling studios listed on SLX in the last week. I've mentioned them on my NP report page, if anyone is interested -- I want to know if these people actually created these products on their own or if they're copies of already-existing products that have been ripped off. http://www.yourfreespace.net/users/merlyn-bailly/np2-9jul.html
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Kerian Bunin
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07-09-2006 21:35
Could it be with free software like avimator, that other people are able to make a good competing product?
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Joannah Cramer
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07-09-2006 21:57
From: Merlyn Bailly I want to know if these people actually created these products on their own or if they're copies of already-existing products that have been ripped off. Well, for what's worth since basic SL 'photo studio' is pretty much just freely available posing stand with extra bits of code added to browse through animation poses contained in its inventory, and through textures used for background... with some equally basic code for light control and particle 'effects' ... it's certainly doable to build one without having to spend months in SL as long as one has some programming experience. For that matter there's enough bits and pieces of free code available in script forum section and in world to just cobble one together. The photo studio things already existing on the market seem to offer quite a bit more functionality in comparison, so doubt these new ones are 'rip offs'. Unless you mean it in sense of someone building a car, or a gun, or a teleporter or whatever after someone else built one too, being a 'rip off' o.O;
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Allana Dion
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07-09-2006 22:17
From: Merlyn Bailly There have been 3 modeling studios listed on SLX in the last week. I've mentioned them on my NP report page, if anyone is interested -- I want to know if these people actually created these products on their own or if they're copies of already-existing products that have been ripped off. http://www.yourfreespace.net/users/merlyn-bailly/np2-9jul.htmlI followed your link but didn't see any modeling studios mentioned, just a lot of you judging other people's work and in some cases being more than a little harsh. I know someone who recently made a photo studio, one of her first really good builds. Whether she's selling it I don't know but I do know she worked very hard on it and is very proud of it. I tend to assume people create on their own unless I see actual evidence otherwise.
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Cow Hand
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07-09-2006 23:01
From: Merlyn Bailly There have been 3 modeling studios listed on SLX in the last week. I've mentioned them on my NP report page, if anyone is interested -- I want to know if these people actually created these products on their own or if they're copies of already-existing products that have been ripped off. http://www.yourfreespace.net/users/merlyn-bailly/np2-9jul.htmlNo offense, but why do you care?
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katykiwi Moonflower
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07-09-2006 23:38
From: Merlyn Bailly There have been 3 modeling studios listed on SLX in the last week. I've mentioned them on my NP report page, if anyone is interested -- I want to know if these people actually created these products on their own or if they're copies of already-existing products that have been ripped off. Whats wrong with you? You recently publicly accused a member by name of stealing because you thought the quality of recent content to be inferior to other content that member produced. You just cant go around accusing people of being thieves like this and you really should cut it out.
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Wrom Morrison
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07-10-2006 00:04
This is were I stopped reading her site: From: someone Be that as it may, I'm still trolling the forums and websites looking...
For someone who does not play the game, she does seem to know a lot on how to review a product based on the advert material alone. The other thing I've noticed from reading her site previously, she seems to talk real bad of new designers while applauding established designers. From this one important thing can be established: ie. That she is no pundit, guru or fashion concious person. All her fashion statements were made based on how established a person is previously. One thing that's wrong with this mentality is that it deters newbie content creators. Give newbie content creators encouragement, not bash their products.
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Enabran Templar
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07-10-2006 00:30
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Ingrid Ingersoll
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07-10-2006 06:35
[left] So how many hits did you get today on your site?[/left] Buy my prefabs!
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Pol Tabla
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07-10-2006 07:04
I saw a vehicle in Second Life once, and then a little while later I saw another vehicle, and I thought to myself out loud "what a ripoff!" because someone had already thought of the idea of Second Life vehicles and probably no one else would have thought that if they hadn't seen someone else making a vehicle (I guess it could fly or do boat stuff or whatever) and I wondered "how can someone get away with that?"
I mean, aren't the Lindens paying attention AT ALL! This game is dying!
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Nyx Divine
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07-10-2006 07:46
From: katykiwi Moonflower Whats wrong with you? You recently publicly accused a member by name of stealing because you thought the quality of recent content to be inferior to other content that member produced.
You just cant go around accusing people of being thieves like this and you really should cut it out. *nods* The original poster may want to swing by my place.....I am in the process of making a picnic table and it looks suspiciously like the one my neighbor has 
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Cindy Claveau
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07-10-2006 07:56
From: Nyx Divine *nods* The original poster may want to swing by my place.....I am in the process of making a picnic table and it looks suspiciously like the one my neighbor has  I am so totally ARing your picnic table!
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Jeska Linden
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07-10-2006 10:18
Moved to the Design and Texture forum.
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Merlyn Bailly
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07-25-2006 02:27
From: Cow Hand No offense, but why do you care? No offense, but why the hell don't you? Oh, excuse me, you've probably never created a single prim in SL in your entire time online, have you, and never had your work ripped off, like alot of other people have, so of course, you don't give a flying fuck.
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Nepenthes Ixchel
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07-25-2006 02:47
From: Merlyn Bailly Oh, excuse me, you've probably never created a single prim in SL in your entire time online, Speaking of single prims, I'm sick of people ripping off my 50x50x50cm plywood cube! Just quit it already and come up with something unique! PS: I'm currently offering excellent licensing deals on my plywood sphere design. If any of your products use plywood spheres (even if textured to hide the base material) you are in violation of my intellectual property... but I'll sell you a lifetime license to use them in your work for just 500L. (and all I get when I go to the OP's link is "Hotlinking is not allowed. You must Click directly from site."
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madddyyy Schnook
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07-25-2006 18:11
From: Merlyn Bailly No offense, but why the hell don't you?
Oh, excuse me, you've probably never created a single prim in SL in your entire time online, have you, and never had your work ripped off, like alot of other people have, so of course, you don't give a flying fuck. go get a life. please. i have created more than a single prim and honestly say no can actually stop anyone copying an idea. the mechanics or look or script then yes go akead and complain. but something which does the same thing... nope. i did wonder when i seen this item in world about the threat that came with it about copying... and as i walked away laughing i thought . give it 24 hours.
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Flux Woyseck
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07-25-2006 18:18
From: Merlyn Bailly No offense, but why the hell don't you?
Oh, excuse me, you've probably never created a single prim in SL in your entire time online, have you, and never had your work ripped off, like alot of other people have, so of course, you don't give a flying fuck. So... in essence, what you're trying to say is, that literally, Lekia should take Nokia to court and force them to close because Nokia made a more affordable camera with a similar sleek design that still caters the 10 megapixel software? Or maybe you're trying to say, that literally, Ford should take Chevy, Dodge, Diamler Chrysler and half of Japan to court for stealing their idea of a four wheel mechincal, gas power engine, vehicle system? No no, I got it, you want to go back in time and get the caveman who invented the wheel and bring him to the future so he can sue EVERYONE for using his creation?!! Thats it isn't it? News Flash, the world, RL and SL, Is full of great and innovative designers, and if they see a way to improve on a product, whether functionably or costly, they are going to do it, and nothing can be done to stop it. Its called..... ready... Competition! Yayyy!!! Welcome to the REAL world, the only way you would have even the slightest legitimate arguement, is if on the offshoot that said photo studio maker patented and copyrighted the design. Last I checked, however, you can't create a patent on any 3D Model design of any kind. So if I want to make a line of shoes in SL and call then Ike's and use the Nike Swoosh but make it 3D instead of a textured 2D image, I am perfectly within my rights to do so. Oh yea, is it true you do not play SL? Couldn't hack it, or did people just get tired of you cryin that "OMG, You only made a shirt because I did, I'm telling the Lindens"?? To quote the beloved Foamy.. "Someone should glue your lips to your butt so that they may illustrate that you indeed, Suck @$$"
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Sae Luan
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07-26-2006 12:32
From: Flux Woyseck So... in essence, what you're trying to say is, that literally, Lekia should take Nokia to court and force them to close because Nokia made a more affordable camera with a similar sleek design that still caters the 10 megapixel software?
Or maybe you're trying to say, that literally, Ford should take Chevy, Dodge, Diamler Chrysler and half of Japan to court for stealing their idea of a four wheel mechincal, gas power engine, vehicle system?
No no, I got it, you want to go back in time and get the caveman who invented the wheel and bring him to the future so he can sue EVERYONE for using his creation?!! Thats it isn't it?
News Flash, the world, RL and SL, Is full of great and innovative designers, and if they see a way to improve on a product, whether functionably or costly, they are going to do it, and nothing can be done to stop it. Its called..... ready... Competition! Yayyy!!!
Welcome to the REAL world, the only way you would have even the slightest legitimate arguement, is if on the offshoot that said photo studio maker patented and copyrighted the design. Last I checked, however, you can't create a patent on any 3D Model design of any kind. So if I want to make a line of shoes in SL and call then Ike's and use the Nike Swoosh but make it 3D instead of a textured 2D image, I am perfectly within my rights to do so.
Oh yea, is it true you do not play SL? Couldn't hack it, or did people just get tired of you cryin that "OMG, You only made a shirt because I did, I'm telling the Lindens"??
To quote the beloved Foamy.. "Someone should glue your lips to your butt so that they may illustrate that you indeed, Suck @$$" I had some things to say, but this hits just about every area I was going for. Walk into any two stores in RL and I can promise you you are going to find the same products with slight variations and price differences. You say that people should give a fuck about this, but take into consideration that if they made the item, prim by prim, it isn't exactly stealing or ripping anyone off just because it may look or work slightly the same as someone elses. While browsing your products page ( http://www.yourfreespace.net/users/merlyn-bailly/avalon-galleria.html ), I came across something very interesting. A direct quote from your page says this: "I also have an extensive collection of fabrics, wallpapers, and floor textures (spent HOURS combing the web for them)." Just out of curiosity, did you bother to obtain the rights to that stuff? Those living in glass homes should never cast the first stone. I honestly think after seeing your site that you are not only rude and unjust in your opinions, but you also appear to be slightly hipocritical. I looked at your in world photos of your shop. My goodness, that rug you made looks alot like one I bought the other day, and the rest of your furniture and prefabs all have major likenesses to all the other things you see everyday in SL. I suppose, though, that it must be hard to talk about yourself when there are so many other innocent people out in SL you could talk about instead.
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Merlin Alphabeta
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Did you know that the octopus eye is almost identical to the human eye?
07-26-2006 12:48
Did you know that the octopus eye is almost identical to the human eye?
And Sharks and Dolphins have the same basic shape?
That's because the same design process trying to solve the same problem will tend to come up with similar solutions. And let's be honest, neither LSL nor prim building is a really open, flexible design process.
It's not stealing unless you can prove this person looked at something, then went off and built their own. Or unless your idea is so novel and inventive that truly noone else could have possibly thought of it. And lets be honest, I don't believe that kind of inventiveness is present in enough of the population to really be a good proof.
The only other way to prove your idea was stolen is if everything about it works the exact same.
I made a hot tub once. I didn't steal a single thing from anyone else - the water texture, the floor texture were rendered by me, the wood texture was licensed, a few basic scripts I took from the scripting library and customized the hell out of, but most of that was design from scratch too.
I had used hot tubs in SL but I started with a blank canvas. I ended up with a few more buttons than most. And my bubbles are really good compared to most. But fundamentally all I did was build a better mousetrap - I looked at the state of the art and I added what I could to it.
Are you going to try to AR me for that now?
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