Private but Polite

Yup, freeze, eject, and ban. This is what the ban list is for. You could probably AR them as well for the way they were behaving when you asked them to leave.

So, you want a Cone of Silence



-Ghoti

but i should not have to stop them AFTER the fact i should be able to prevent it from happening to begin with

right now all my land is open because im to busy doing other things to care but an incident the other day is making me rethink the recent move of unlocking my land to group and certain friends only

Here is your problem, you are comparing SL to RL. In RL, no, I would not want anybody in my house when I am not there unless they have my permission. In SL I really don't care if people come to my house while I'm not there, it's not like they can do anything.

sorry but in both rl and sl i like privacy when it comes to certain things

In RL you still have SOME hope of privacy. In SL, it never existed in the first place.

-Ghoti

As long as you are aware there is no true privacy in SL. Khamon's post pretty much said it all.

As with other locations in this forum, I'll beat my drum here in the form of a proposal I"ve been making. That proposal is... no more ugly fences, ban them all, take them from the SL world. Orbs are the way to go for buildings only, 30 meters or less. Heck I'd settle for 50 meters.

That should afford you the privacy you desire.

As far as locked doors real life or second life, both my residences remain unlocked most of the time. Please feel free to visit in world and look and explore to your heart's content. My partner and I even created a secret room just to be discovered.

That only works if YOU are the land owner. I have two homes. One I share with a friend, and it sits on group land that I am not a group officer for. So virtually none of the current or promised anti-griefing tools work there for me. I love that shared home and my friends that I share that parcel with, but I spend less and less time there because I have absolutely no recourse if someone invades that home and causes trouble. All I can do is run away and make a vague attempt to AR them, or pray that one of the officers in the land group is around, so maybe I can beg them to defend me. I'm seriously considering paying for a security system, just so my housemate and I can both control access to our home there and my skybox.

My other home is on a parcel on a privately-owned island, where I bought the parcel. One strong factor motivating me to buy that plot was to have someplace that I could retreat to where I could control access and ban unwelcome troublemakers. I'm also an estate manager for that sim, so I can ban someone from the whole sim if I have to.

I like new people. If they are polite and want to enjoy SL, I will happily spend lots of time helping them, offering freebies, and making them welcome. But the unimpeded flood of untracable griefers is forcing me to seriously consider banning all unverified accounts from any land that I have any control over.

Ok like I'm chatting and building things with my friend in her house. A guy comes along and stands just outside the barrior lines and starts playing those stupid animation dancing gestures with sounds and music bothering us begging my friend to let him in.

We then go into busy mode and chat in IM. That made him upset so he shoots us sending us into the darkness of SL space =( Then we come back, my friend sets the land to no build no scripts.
So I couldn't build anything so our evening together was totally ruined by someone outside the barrior so we ended up chatting in IMs sitting on the couch. =/

You beat me to it.

SL is not RL. It never is, never was, never will be.

The same rules and laws cannot magically "carry over" without their being friction.


Your "home" in SL might as well just be a webpage ... it is basically the same thing. It is a slew of digital information stored on a server that you tailor with things "you like" or "fit your personality" for people to see and hang out at. You cannot keep people off your website ... this is the internet. People go and do anything and everything here.

SL "home" =! RL home

SL home more = website

You can ban people from your website by IP if you want, but you can't expect to have a 100% "private" website on the PUBLIC internet. It just isn't going to happen.




Others in here are 100% .. you NEVER had privacy in SL .. so trying to defend your current level of privacy is futile.

People can and will see through walls. They can and will overhear conversations.

Know what? .. even conversations you have in private, "miles" away from other people in SL that no one can hear are recorded somewhere, odds are. So they're not even private ... and if they wanted, LL could listen in.

There IS no privacy on the internet, save for anonymity, which in itself is a HUGE thing.

uh?

Your falicy is that you are assuming anyone ELSE but YOU should live by YOUR sense of privacy. They should not. And personally i dont lock my house to prevent theft. I lock my house to prevent people using MY STUFF and being in MY PERSONAL SPACE. Material possessions come and go but you have to defend your territory.

Yes and as a web site administrator you have the choice of FORCING people to only look at it from afar. With no ability to touch or interact.

Someone using your furniture in SL is touching it. They are interacting with it. They are not just 'in the area'. Thank you for defending Tyci's point of view with your example.

Five seconds is not enough. Particularly if it's close to a sim edge and your speedboat went through the building before it rezzed. I lost my boat like that once..and didn't find it until a week later -- embedded in somebody's lounge. I was so busy trying to get out of my speedboat sitting pose at the Welcome Area the script sent me to that I closed SL without making a note of the coordinates.

More seriously: It would help if the boundary was highlighted when these warnings appear. Often, you simply don't know which way to travel, despite having the best of intentions and trying damn hard to get out.
--
Dillon

HA HA - must have been the same ones that used to come to my house too. Used my bed and my hot tub and said the same thing to me when I logged in and they asked me what I was doing there and I told them it was my house.

So....

I logged out and made SCORE CARDS in PS...

Logged back in with hubby and as they did different things on the pose balls, we clapped and held up the score cards. LOL

They got pissed and went out to the hot tub. We followed them. More clapping, more score cards. The guy pulled out a weapon and tried to shoot hubby but we froze him first. He'd try to shoot, hubby would freeze him. I'd hold up a score card. We had them so frustrated I'm sure they never came back or at least we never found them when we logged in again.

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It would be nice if you could flag a parcel as "Invisible to Uninvited" on top of no-entry. Combined with lower and upper bounds, this would solve both the entry and the peeping Tom issues.

I think this is not as hard as it sounds. The sim servers now serve up lists of resources on a parcel, like prims and avatars. In this case, if a parcel is invisible, it would check who is asking for the list of resources and, if you're not invited, you just won't get the list. Hence, your client won't even be aware of the fact that there are prims and people in the invisible area.

This would afford more real privacy to people who can't afford to buy their own sims.

Here's a question for you. How do you know people are in your space and using your things when you're not there? I don't assume everybody should have the same views on privacy that I do. There isn't any true privacy in SL. Some of us would just like an answer to our question of "Why do you have security on your land when you aren't there?" that doesn't involve "cuz it's my stuff and I pay for the land." We are all trying to be respectful of everybody else and here you come out and attack me. Thanks.

Oh no! They're touching my stuff! I bet they have sticky jam or melted chocolate on their hands, and are leaving grubby prints simply everywhere!

Actually, there is plenty that they can do.

They can fill your home with prims, if you haven't switched off build permissions.

They can fire off any number of SL weapons or explosives that include massive push effects, and knock every 'physical' object in your house into the next sim... We've had griefers before that apparently thought it was hilarious to knock all our wind chimes off the eaves of the roof and scatter them all over the place.

Not to mention the possibility of someone simply waiting there in your home with a weapon, planning to blow you into the next sim as soon as you come home.

I have no problem with polite and curious visitors. I have lost track of how many times I have politely greeted a stranger who entered my home, and on getting a polite response from them, I spent a pleasant time chatting with them, offering freebies, and giving them a tour of my home. But with the influx of untracable griefers, I am getting very wary of any stranger. It's quite sad. I want to believe that the new update will allow LL to actually ban someone AND prevent them from creating unlimited numbers of new alts so they can just come back. But so far, that remains to be proven.

"touching" your furniture in SL is the same as "touching" buttons on your website. Wow .. they're interacting with content you put in place, the horror!


Thank you for attempting to skew my words into something totally against their actual point and being rude and snide about it.

Yes, thank you very much.

Awesome story! I probably would have taken pics!

Really? Where can I go to view webpages without actually going to the page?



The equivalant is not having any links or interactive content on your website. Sounds boring to me.

-Ghoti

i know of one security system that will send an email and or im to the land owner of everything said on the land while they are not online so i can track what is said and done on my land while im offline if i chose

why do i have security while im not there?
and you say cuz its my stuff and i pay for the land isnt good enough...well IT IS a good enough reason i do pay for it with the money i earn in sl if they want land and a home and furniture to play with they can go buy it or earn it somehow not use other peoples

im not trying to attack anyone but i am protecting what is mine and my friends

I'd like to take this opportunity to drum up some more support for real privacy support in sl: Visit muh thread!