Private but Polite

Ceera, I understand that not having the tools available when it is group land and you're not an officer. You wouldn't be able to turn on ban lines either. I think all group members should have the ability to eject somebody from group owned land. That is something that LL does need to work on. When I said they can't do anything to my home, I meant anything permanant. Prims are returnable, and for land owners, you can eject and ban those firing weapons at you, though that griefer can fire at you from the other side of the ban lines. I think we are mostly talking about land owners here. You do have some very valid points though.

I never said those reasons weren't good, but they aren't great either. If you have a problem with certain people, put them on the ban list. That way they can't come back. Why are you punishing everybody else who is just trying to fly by just so your things aren't touched?

I think we can agree that having someone sitting on my couch in my home (if I had one) when I'm not around is pretty harmless on the face of it. I think maybe some people want their homes to be "private" because they don't really wish to share all their dirty laundry with the rest of the grid. Some people are shy and wouldn't want to admit to having sex balls, for example.

Granted, that someone can look into a parcel seems to rule out this sort of privacy if a pose ball has hover text. It's fair then to ask if privacy of this sort is moot. I suppose one could argue that with a parcel large enough, it's hard to get a good look at what is inside a building, so I guess it's not moot.

However, that a person person may be on my couch when I show up and want some alone-time is a legitimate issue. Yes, I can ask him to leave, but I don't see that I should have to. LL created SL with the concept of ownership in mind, so it seems only fair that people will expect to exercise that privillege.

because then a ban list is full within a few short months

as i said right now my land is open and there just seems to be incident after incident in the last few weeks that makes me regret that

Incidentally, I don't think the debate over whether there should be privacy is productive. I think most of us agree that there should be some means to ensure some levels of privacy. I'd rather discuss the means than question this nearly universal premise. Positive solutions and debating them seems preferable to debating whether there are people who abuse other people.

Concept; Special Prim Features; Security Prim

A security prim is a phantom prim with a permissions list. Once set up it can be easily copied and placed where ever needed. A security prim is invisable for all intensive purposes to all on the access list but are black, solid, and not phantom to anyone who is not. The use of security prims would not be abused as there is a real prim cost for each one in use. Security prims can be used to block access to rooms, entire homes, or selected outside areas.

Neat idea, but a couple of technical issues.

1.) Prims are limted to 10 x 10 x 10 meters in size. You might have to duplicate your access list across many such prims.

2.) There are no solids in SL. All objects are hollow "shells". This is due to how OpenGL works. So you'd need only to camera surf into such a prim.

3.) Selection during building will be hampered. Try working with cubes inside a big cube. It's doable, but harder than in free-space.

Anyone else think it's about time SL had an "indoors"? You can buy a private island, but that's more than most people need simply for some private time. I'd propose a two-stage process by which LL converted over to real privacy and then made the mainland back into a public, neighborly place.

First, start selling private spaces in smaller sizes, down to 1/16 of a sim. They would have most of the estate tools but would be located and placed on servers at LL's discretion.

Second, once these are widely available, eliminate the mainland ban lines.

This way you could have the "outside" of your house in the grid where everyone could fly by, sightsee, and visit. Then if you want privacy, just step onto the teleport pad inside and go to your own private mini-island.

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I had some further thoughts on social engineering that might be useful, but I'm not sold on them totally. One is that if private spaces become too popular, the mainland might empty out entirely. Perhaps a way to prevent this is to require that any such "indoor" space be accessed via a link from the mainland. You would have to place your teleporter somewhere there, and take people in that way. This might encourage people to congregate in neighborhoods and display their figurative yard art. It'd be interesting to see what a high-density zone might look like in this scenario. This might also encourage more group activity areas on the mainland.

Some people are making an analogy that SL hokmes are like web pages, and therefore public.

BS.

I have a website. Most of it is public. Some parts of it are private, and invisible to normal viewers, and not linked externally, and passworded. I'd be pretty annoyed if someone else foudn their way there. Yes, there is a valid reason for it being locked up so as well, which I won't disclose here for security/privacy reasons.

So if SL homes are like web pages, then give us the tools to lock them up like web pages already.

Just like certain private islands. Private, invisible from the mainland, and you have to be 'special' to get in.

-Ghoti

Oh, I don't pay my service providor any extaordinary fees to have this security in place. Unlike the case with SL private islands.

The question is why are you trying to punish everyone who wants their land untouched just so you can fly?

It all depends on priority- and guess whos desires come first if they own the land.

Problem not solved. They shouldn't have been able to get on the skybox in the first place.

Security system ejecting after 6 seconds. Tada, problem solved.

That's the nice thing about having an island. You can have complete privacy if you set it to group only and invisible from mainland. Considering that island owners pay $195 a month, it seems quite reasonable to me that they be able to do this if they choose.

Living on the mainland gives you fewer options, which is frustrating. I understand that it's frustrating to move around in all the ban lines too. I have alot of sympathy for both sides. I remember how frustrating it was when we lived on the mainland to try and do any content creation work without dealing with constant flybys - not just the time lost, but also the opportunity for someone to see an idea you were working on before it was ready to market.

Perhaps the answer for the mainland is more Linden-owned rights of way to make touring possible. I've always liked the protected waterways for just that reason.

1 second is enough. Camera, you know.

How do you freeze someone?

Exactly! The very fact that your AV is totally anonymous provide the best privacy possible. It is not YOU who is happily "pixel slapping" on that couch, it's a virtual representation of your perverted mind. Doing it in a virtual world is like flashing your ass in the window...

Too many people seem not to be able to separate virtual world from reality. If you need to have virtual sex so bad, get a partner in RL and do it with a window between you and with a bag over your head.

So buy a security script for the building -- the Damani villa I own has a great security script -- only people whom you place on the list will be recognized and can walk into the house. Everyone else has to "knock" first -- when someone walks up to the door, the security script notifies you (if you're home) that someone is there and wants to come in.
That works great.

If you own the land they are on, right click them then select freeze, then click the freeze button. I believe it freezes them for 30 seconds, in that time they can TP somewhere else, but not do anything on your land.

If you need to have a virtual temple so bad, go buy some LEGOs?

The Barriers do now, for people Specificly on your Ban List. as for general Flyers, the hight is still more or less the same, SO, Place your Skybox at around 600 metersThat was always enough privacy for me (Though in one case i did have a security sphere on the roof).

Angel

In SL, you get what you pay for. You can not carry these analogies to 100% equality.

-Ghoti

Tell that to LL. They are the ones trying to turn SL into the www Mk II.

Mainland sim owners pay $195 a month.

LOL - I know there is a certain amount of sarcasm in your post but of course there IS a difference between RL and SL.... In RL people can break into your house cause damage, mess the place up, steal your stuff etc etc.... In SL they can...well... they can sit down on your stuff. When they go its as if they hadnt been there.

What? You have your property to allow people to rez stuff there and no auto return? Well turning them on is surely an easy way to stop people doing that.

As for people spying on you when you are there - or even looking at your stuff when you are out.... they can do that locked down or not.

Just my 2p worth.....

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Timmins