Private but Polite

Agree with you 100% here.

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Timmins

Of course we are dealing with personal opinions and likes and dislikes here so everyone has a different take on this.

While respecting yours, mine would be that these are two differnt things. If I am at work and I find out that someone has been in my RL house its a very diffferent thing to finding out that they have had access to some bits of data. In my RL house they can break things, steal things, go through things that are in cupboards, use my computers, leave stuff laying around etc etc etc.... In SL thay cant do these things. Sure they can look at your stuff - but they can do that anyway even with security scripts. Do security scripts know when someone's camera has been shifted to them? It is possible with good kit to detatch your camera and view stuff a LONG way off - so even without being IN your house they can see everything.

Adding the people who abuse you when you log in to a ban list if perfectly ok - and I would like to see the allowable size of this list grown - but that is a different issue.

Again just my opinions....

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Timmins

LMAO That is genius and hilarous as well. Good thinking lol

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Timmins

Thats why I would like to see security options like these only active when you are logged on... Imagine someone sitting in your house, and you log in.... The secuity becomes active and they are instantly TPed out of there. You may not even know they were there as you "login" before you rez generally and they would be gone by the time you rezzed. If you had no build and auto return on then this would work a lot better in my personal opinion.

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Timmins

Then it sucks to be them. We owned almost all of Riiki at one time and bought an island so we could have the extra tools and privacy (although we've never gone off the grid yet). I'm not sure why anyone would pay the same price for much less useful land, but if they are... then they've accepted the conditions of staying on the mainland.

Maybe it's the up-front $1200 that LL want for an island that's the problem. Not everyone has that sort of disposable cash.

The threads on this topic that I've seen assume that the $1200 pays solely for the purchase of hardware and setup expenses - and that the price is unreasonable based on that. I think it's much more likely that it's a revenue stream that supports other expenses.

We spent exactly $USD 15 to buy our island. We started with an ~350m piece of land that we got in a land grab and pyramided it up over a period of a year, adding to it as we $L came in and land became available. Our land in Riiki not only paid for our island, but gave us a nice cash bonus back.

If you want something enough, then you generally will find a way to pay for it. Either through saving, developing partnerships or reprioritizing your other expenses. If you can afford the $200 a month, then in six months you will have saved the price of an island. If you can't afford the $200 a month, well then you can't afford an island.

Considering that Linden Lab raised the price of an island from $1000 to $1200, I doubt sincerely that they are going to lower the price. People who want an island without a set-up cost are going to deal with people like Anshe in the meantime.

Sorry to sound hardcore here, but I'm a pragmatist. I'd love to drive a sleek little Mercedes convertable, but I'm pretty sure Mercedes isn't going to drop the price just because I want one.

Oh, I totally agree, I wasn't complaining... but it's the difference between a mainland sim and an island sim... Personally, since the days of Mochastyle ended, I can't even afford to fill my basic tier so I'm not in the running anyway.

In my REAL life? The REAL one? As opposed to the PIXELATED one? No, that would disturb me, resulting in having to wash the sheets every day. Ew.

I personally think the red NO ENTRY NO ENTRY NO ENTRY walls are irritating eyesores, and security systems that boot you somewhere else are just plain rude. Most of us aren't trying to get into your home and screw on your couch. The majority of the time, people are just trying to fly from one point to another, and those things are just a constant annoyance. I respect the fact that some people want to keep others off their land entirely unless by invite. It's your game, too. But the current systems are plain old nasty. What I'd love to see is security systems that didn't impede travelers' journeys or eyesight like they do now. I do still think the best way to get at least a little privacy is just a creative build. Of course everyone knows about skyboxes and basements, but unless someone's one of the minority who spends hours flying around looking for you naked, most people won't notice you. And also, the only folks who would even give grief or continue to prance into your bedroom are the tiny majority of dorks out to grief anyway. Just ban them and move on

I have been on both sides of this issue, sadly, with intruders in my place of residence, and a friend of mine and I being the intruders on what we thought was an empty house full of poseballs... lets just say both of us now know better than that. This is a tricky situation, and personally, I don't mind people not wanting me on their property, but I DO NOT like 752 or whatever how much ban-lines.

It would be interesting if LL would provide a special "private layer" that's part of SL space but otherwise invisible and inaccessible to any but the land owner(s) or members of a specified group or people specifically invited. Maybe it could be below 0m.

Of course, this would not help someone who wants the private parts to have a nice view outside. I still think being able to have a narrowly defined top and bottom to your no-entry region plus an "invisible" flag would be ideal.

Here is a very small but practical change LL can make that will be very good for making security more polite.

Anshe Chung has decreed that when one is not on his own land, the no-entry barriers may not be up on Dreamland properties. Other landowners are starting to follow suit. That means someone has to remember to "turn the lights off" when leaving. A simple proximity sensor can tell when a person is around but not enable or disable the no-entry barriers.

I propose a new LSL function with the following declaration:

llSetParcelLimitedAccess(integer Limited)

Where Limited is TRUE or FALSE.

This must be as easy to implement as the function that allows setting parcel music URL. I bet this can be implemented in a few minutes and tested quickly enough to get it into the next release, just in time for vendors to upgrade their security orbs to support such a mode. And it would be a simple way to help people be more polite about their properties as well.

30 seconds is way too long, and it should be automatic.

This is why I won't rent. I don't leave my doors unlocked when I'm not home and I refuse to do so virtually too.

Polite would be noone crossing near my skybox uninvited, ever.

If you purchase land ppl should have the right to ensure that no one will come poking around in their personal space its their land, their right.

But those red lines are way icky and I do believe they should maybe make them blue or please gawd invisible.... I hate having a little bit of a view, but inbetween my house and the view are red lines. Not pleasant at all, I even tried to conivice my neighbor to put me on their acceptance list so I wouldn't have to look at it. That did not go over well

On my first day I do have to say, I went inside many a house not knowing what exactly they were.. shop or house or decoration or what.. so sorry to all that i invaded their home.

Whether or not to allow no-entry and under what circumstances is a question I'd rather not discuss here. There's too much disagreement and just placing "me too" comments here doesn't really help further it much. Ultimately, sim owners like Anshe and LL will decide what is appropriate.

I'd rather keep this topic focussed on ways, techincally, to achieve more polite yet private ends. Thanks.