Griefers in SL

That would be useful, though latency could leave you moved somewhat from the original position. You could have it track your position and move you back if that happened, though...

Another advantage: you could script an object that would allow gentle pushes (like, from a gravity elevator) but lock you down against C4.

timer()
{
  saved_pos = llgetPos();
}

force(vector f)
{
  if(llVecMag(f) < MAX_OK_FORCE) return;
  llApplyImpulse(-f);
  if(llVecDist(llGetPos, saved_pos) > 1) llMoveToTarget(saved_pos, ...);
}

Oh you have got to be kidding me! What comes around goes around. How many times have you griefed and harassed people in game? I can answer that. So many that you spend more time on your alt than you do on your main character.

Please, the 7 day suspension for "simple verbal abuse" will substantiate the above. Maybe LL is just a little sick of seeing your name in abuse reports. When they aren't about you, they are from you, crying "ow he hit me" but never owning up to what you did at first.

Generally these kinda idiots harass everyone, get kicked, get cycled, and harass more.

Eventually they'll be banned, and they'll weasel back in and be a little quieter... but its still a general problem.

The most effective weapon you as a landowner, or member in a land-owning group have, is a good send home security system... Though that gets kinda silly if their home *is* right next to yours, its still usually sufficiently annoying as to ventually deter/diffuse most situations.

LL does need to take a harder stance on people whose purpose of being in world, is to ruin the experience of other people... There are now several large groups who are bascially here for that, off world, they try and recruit new players *WITH* that specific language, "hey theres this game where you can go and screw up people all day long and no one stops you".. etc...

Its a bad scene.. Heck, even LL can't hold town halls anymore without them being near continually disrupted by the same core group of a few people, over, and over, and over again.

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Home security systems are a form of greifing. They kick me out of my plan unnecessarily when I am 7000 feet up. Beyond that, they accomplish nothing and serve no real purpose other than to put ugly red lines over the property.

Its their property..they could say your flying over it is greifing.

It is just an OPINION that security scripts are greifing.

They DO serve a purpose: keep unwanted guests off their property..

And at 7k meters, they shouldn't hit you, I belive they max out about 800m.

It's not an opinion. Overactive security scripts, or security scripts that get registered as PVP abuse are griefing. Lindens will follow up on AR's over security scripts that push.

The basic security script -within the rules set forth- are not greifing. So YES its an OPINION.

Scripts that teleport you home or eject you are well within their bounds and thats not abuse.

Push itself is the greifing, not the cause, so yess, 'security scripts are greifing' is an -opinion.-

Edit: it sounds more like he was ejected by the post he made as well.. eject includes and unsit command. And eject is well within their rights.

In point of fact even 800m is too high. Unwanted guests? whaty are they going to do? Steal? Squat? watch your movies? Most of the time the property is protected when the owner is not even on the game to have unwanted scripts.

Yes it is my opinion and everyone is entitled to it. Home security scripts are griefing.

They paid the tier. Who are you to define what is 'too high' its that height for EVERYONE WHO OWNS LAND.

People flying over property can be considered greifing as easilly as security scripts. remember that when you say scripts are greifing.

Well theres a difference between opinions on what griefing is, and griefing that includes harassment, intolerance, attacks, and everything up to nuking NINE sims.

I would say random (or specific) pushing, harassment, stalking, and nuking are all greifing. A one time push meant as a prank really shouldn't be, but if they do it -after- you say stop (or if they did it to someone else, 'don't to that to me') then its a continued effect and becomes harassment.

Intolerance and racism is greifing..maintaining the 'purity' of a genres roleplay setting isn't intolerance. Attacking that sim because they don't allow people with a certain costume on to be present -is- greifing.

There are some set definitions, and some fluid, for greifing. Nuking 9 sims? Greifing, solidly. Ejecting soemone at 600m for flying over your property? Depends on your opinion.

It's OUR second life. Private and public interests have to be balanced. Not only that, but some of those scripts increase the user's problems!

There's someone in the next sim over from me who has a really stupid security script.

It gives you a warning dialog saying you're gonna be ejected in 30 seconds.

But it llUnSit()s you before it even puts the dialog up, which means your plane gets left behind and you go flying (which made me first think it was a push script!) and guarantees that you're not going to be able to clean up your plane and get out before the llEjectFromLand() hits.

So, should I just quit trying to clean up his skies and leave my plane behind?

I like what the wiki says about the llEjectFromLand function.

"This can be a possible cure to grief or just cause more grief. Be careful with this function!"

I guess we know the answer.

Oh come off it. Clearly that's not true. Someone flying over your land - hardly annoying, unless they do it repeatedly with the intention of harassing you. Someone unsitting and ejecting you - extremely annoying.

Yeah and an elephant that has wings can be considered a hell of a bird.

Flying over someones land is not griefing, at 35ms I am not on most land long enough to even notice. Security scripts are griefing. Period. Even theone s that are allowed under the tos are truly griefing as they have no purpose but to harrass others. Sure they might grief back angainst a griefer, but two griefers deserve each other.

Actually, I got a snapshot peek of what it was. Simple twisted torii, a ton of them, that caused a rendercrash. Not nuking nine sims, and quickly fixed by turning down object detail and returning it. Not that I'm defending, but a "nuke" to me means crashing 9 sims. Not crashing clients.


(Nitpicky Obsessive Squirreltype)

Those twisted torii... were scripted..... and creating nasty particles too.