Griefers in SL

This post is about griefing groups... There are many, i will not mention names due to disclosure, but i have encountered one nasty group on my alt... A group that my alt is a part of happened to move land to a new area...

This group started harassing us on our own land so we set it to group and installed a TP home security orb on the land to prevent them from coming in.

They proceeded to harass, grief and attack us. There were many offenses, ranging from general verbal harassment all the way to sim nuking. Particle attacks, sound attacks, weapons over the border in safe zones, lewd materials (well beyond the mature range), changing their group name to harass our group, Racism/Intolerance (one of them called me a Nazi. I happen to be jewish and take offense to anything related to fascism and nazi-ism), Information disclosure of private personal first life information, objects that cause chat spam, false accusations, land ban evasion, rezzing scripted harassing objects on our land, building objects on their land meant to harass us visually, passing objects to our group that cause the sim FPS to go down to 0.0, and last but not least, Sim Nuking that affected the sim and all 8 sims bordering it, to the point where three lindens were crashing until we figured out how to return it without lagging to death (it took two hours).

These offenses all occured within 4 days, and i could not get a single liason to help stop the abuse from continuing until the last day.

In the end, they got away with ALL these issues (all the reports in my mailbox say resolved), and the people who did it are STILL there, unpunished. I happen to be furious at linden labs actions here as they do not take their own rules seriously for some reason.

Aragorn Stonebender

P.S. Any advice or comments anyone has on this post will be greatly appreciated.

when all else fails use high explosives....seriously high explosives work wonders especially if they try something first....then it would be unliklely they abuse report you and you can snipe or bomb them like silly....then deny everything...........IF they also want to put their own necks in the noose....which is unlikely

There's griefers in SL?

if you've got a problem,
and noone else can help,
and if you can find them...
maybe you can hire
The A-Team

Aragorn, abuse report. and again. and again. and again. be tireless. don't sell your land to them. don't give in. abuse report again. then again. then again. be fair, don't enter into the frey or be tempted to abuse back. eventually it will subside when they find someone more interesting to mess with.

I'm finding it very hard to believe that all that happened and LL are not doing anything at all. I don't have terribly good experiences of LL's responses to griefing, but all that including nuking nine sims and crashing a bunch of Lindens....

we did abuse report again and again.. i have 18 in currently.. and the group has like 12... each member.

I've seen griefers get away with all kinds of stuff, and at most they get a "note on their account". No real results have ever been witnessed by me. I went out to the site in question, and the other group were putting up various offensive billboards, and actively taunting everyone.

Unfortunatly, I don't think the Lindens want to take a stand on these kind of issues. They like staying "neutral" to the end. Until you start showing them that they may have a loss of money, you don't get any action.

...that one more griefing and i'm coming over to borrow a gallon of blood.......theirs......yeah gonna carve that scum up like cheese wafers and flinging them for about 3 sims will take the steam out of ther stride and do it as many times as they log back on!!! AFTER they grief attack YOU all bets are off. Because the Lindens need to REALIZE where there is no law there IS the law of the gun. Since the Lindens refuse to manage their work someone will. Bunch of dweebs......clorox NOT water beetches.......heh

I have had troubles with Griefers before it's nothing new. What I have learned is the Linden's don't do shit.... so report your heart away nothing will ever happen. Sad but true... Also, I don't know who the hell chose the Location of the new order Jedi Group, but Id love to slap him/her...I mean come on, next to an amusement park???....Have you even seen Star Wars? It should be set in a peaceful Location, a place to meditate and focus on the force...

I bet they'll have fun with all that clorox to play with! lol. What a great game! You could maybe charge tickets!

Seriously, playing on their terms only encourages them. Incidentally, when I briefly had security guards at the spa, one of them was responsible twice for bringing my sim down, once with a nuke. I have found that arming "security" to go after griefers just

a. prolongs the griefing
b. is as disruptive as the griefing itself and
c. isn't so much fun for me

Maybe C isn't true of most folks though.

Sigh more and more attacks!!!!!!!!!!!! well it ever stop no.............but maybe well get lucky and have a cause of a virus for griefters

I know what you mean, I have dealt with some griefers myself in the past. In fact, just the other day I had someone tell me that they were going to find me in real life and shoot me with a shotgun :X They were suspended though, so I guess it works out in the end.

well if it has stopped then the lindens have done somthing might be not what you want them to do ie get them all banned from sl but they probably have told them that they will be if it happens again i know it sounds unfair on your part and it seems to you that they have got away with harrassment but if it was me i would wait and see if it does happen again and if it does then you have a case where you can say well this has meant to have been sorted and there still doing it then probably find they will lose there accounts

That doesn't sound that unusual. I have *no* idea why LL doesn't do more about griefing. Greifing and griefers drive away legitimate customers. "Fairness" should not enter into it.

What's fair is that I should be able to go onto SL and build on my land and interact with my friends and never, ever, *every* be interfered with by another player. When I first brought on a new alt. a few monts back I went to Yadini's to stock up on the important basics, and because I looked like a newbie who wouldn't be able to fight back, I was caged and shaken, with no one to turn to for help. I filed an abuse report, (Several in fact, as it was on-going.) but there was no one to turn to to stop the attch as it was happening.

I was not new, so I dealt with it, but if I had been new, that would have been it. I would have quit SL never to return, and told warned everyone I knew away from it.

There should be a panic button of some sort of "911" that you can use *at the time you're being attacked*, that will get the equivelent of the police there *right then* to stop an attack.

What is it with scripts that allow people to bounce your AV around anyway? I'm willing to bet that a good 95% of the people on SL have no interest in them and never use them, so why is it that we're placed at the mercy of any idiot with a gun or a cager anyway? When I set my land to "safe", why can't I shut off other people's ability to come in and shoot or blow up my guests and myself?

Actually, why should I be subjected to that sort of thing when I'm not on my land, just walking down the road, or shopping, or attending an event? Why can't I set things so that weapon based scripts can't be used on me? If I wanted to play a shooter, I know where to find them. I came to SL because I don't want to be attacked or shot.

I wish that LL would give us a break.

Taking anything personally is a waste of time. The more you rant against them and call them names, the more they will bother you.

I don't know if this works out in the cases you describe but can't you just ALT-zoom out of your avatar's view and select a spot on the ground, then hit "Sit"? As far as I know there's nothing anyone can to to a sitting avatar. This might stop a bouncing attack dead in an instant. Then, of course, file an AR.

The acts in question are more of the name calling, mocking builds and unwelcome visits variety.

I was referring to being shaken and bumped by scripts. Verbal attacks are very easily resolved by muting the person or simply ignoring them. People like that are not worth the time bothering with

That's possible, but the hypothetical newbie I was mentioning won't know about it, and I still don't see why someone else should have the *ability* to do that to *my* avatar.

That's why I mentioned it here again, so other people can read the post and learn about being protected while sitting down. Maybe this would be a nice thing to be mentioned on Welcome Island.

If I remember correctly there was a suggestion for a PERMISSION_PHYSICS to be asked before being able to move another avatar, but I can't say for sure if anything like that is planned.

Aragorn Stonebender was not.

'Griefing' is a very flexible term it is best to keep it as specific as possible. The people who agree that pushing or trapping is griefting do not always agree about a spinning cube put up by a property owner. The thread was started because of acts that did not include pushing or trapping and so expanding the topic to include them will only make things more confusing then they need be.

I've been in a few traps where the sit option is replaced by 'nice try' or something similar. Can't remember if it still blocked it or just appeared to, but if it does, is there another way out? I generally sit when I'm in a risky area (read: sandbox) but I've been caged on private land, and I don't want to spend my entire SL sitting down

Therefore first ALT+Zoom out of the trap (press ALT, left click, turn the view until your cam is out of the trap, right click a sitting spot outside).

@prak Curie: here's the portion I was referring to. I will make use of the quote function more often now to prevent more confusion