Griefers in SL

Yes griefing suck and unfortunally any virtual community or game there will be a degree of griefing going on in some manner.

As far as the bang bang shoot um yup caging script kind of greifing i do this that we as players should have more of a say in if we want to partake in that kind of stuff.. weather it be some option or preffrence setting that would allow us to make us immune to the effects of it.. i dont know something


As far as verbal griefing that will always be a huge issue mainly because i believe LL hasnt really done anything that stands out to make it known it will not be tolarated. A long time ago a few years ago i use to play a game called puzzle pirates and the one thing i liked and i think helped alot cause it showed people that behavor wasnt somethig that was gonna be tolarated. When i was an admin if we got a report about someone verbally harressing someone we would usually tp there char to a remote spot on an island with us, and talk 1 on 1 with them explain we had recieved a complained they were harressing someone and find out why it was going on. Also at this time we explained that this kinda behavor wasnt acceptable. At this time we also explained to them that this was there first warning (verbal warning) and if they continued to keep up with this behavor the next step without warning would be temp ban of there account and if it continue perma ban and loss of account.

I think LL need ot get more involved in things or take more of a hands on approch. weather is be directly approching the person in question or putting into place a strike system and actually following through on it. something along the lines of maybe like:


1st offence: verbal warning
2nd offence: 3 day ban
3rd offence: 7 day ban
4th offence: resualting in perma ban / loss of accounts

obviously depending on the servarity(sp) of the offence resualts may differ..

Here on the main grid we should all be adults and shouldnt have to be told to play nice with others over and over again i think by the 4th time if someone cant learn to act and behave accordanly we can pretty assume they are never gonna..



*ps i apologize for the poor spelling and bad grammer in advance*

Hay, it's Verbena, all my fault. As per der Leader of der evil griefing mousepack, lemme toss my side of the story out.

We got new neighbers. We went and visited one day. By visit I mean stood on some Lindenland and looked at builds and avatars. There was a brief discussion about one of my grouppeoples goofing off with a 6 bladed lightsaber...was doing nothing, just had it attached. He got orbited. Thats when we left for our sim, and stood around. We all got added to a badly written TP home script, that lagged their sim, hence the lagbombs accusation. Apparently standing on your own land is griefing too, so a 90m high wall was built and every object in my sim was ARed. We laughed, and decided to play. Built the "Sith House of Rock". Best club in SL, I might add. Since then it's been ongoing drama with us visiting our club and griefer standing, the new neighbors. We have had listener scripts on our property, blatant sim nukes, orbit attacks, the whole ten yards. Our unwanted visits accusation mostly come from when the Jedi type come over to my land, and "Force Push" us against banlines, causing wierd sim flying lag.


Needless to say, we parody anything and everything. I personally take down anything I consider offensive against anyone, but if your skin is so thin you consider "Sith Ewoks" to be a personal insult, then you should seek counseling.

Next time, before going "Oh Geez land buy it", look at your neighbors. We're quite blatant about how we are. You do not exist in a vacuum in SL. Crying because other people actually interact with what you do is a silly thing to do.


Just my two cents and all. Evenin folkses

actually you were added to a perfectly legal security orb for disrupting our builders when we started building.... You were asked to stop by our people but didnt, and as per that we banned you from the land using the TP home sexurity orb, which is perfectly LEGAL as per the TOS. your actions after that point were completely unacceptable.... And as for ARing the stuff on your land.. What did you expect? After you started griefing us we reported that and EVERYTHING else we saw that was against the TOS.

There are two ways you could have handled that... One is what you did, which ends up getting you reported multiple times over and in trouble with the authorities, and the other is finding out why we banned you and not assuming it was just because you like to have fun. Maybe your activities on the land we bought were disrupting us? Did you ever think about that? That is the problem with grief groups.. Once they've griefed anyone, they dont care about any diplomatic or legal form of action, they just do what they can to piss the people thay dont like off, and damn straight it worked. Had you taken the better route and found out why we put you on the orb, and maybe even apologized, you likely would not be banned today.

Yes, and your perfectly legal sexurity orb lagged your parcel to hell, which you attested to us, your own group has a"kill onsight: order for my friends, and you've frivously ARed quite a few things simply because you do not like them. Give credit where it's due, I check with the Wonderous Liasion staff before I allow anything controverisal to be made in my sim. You are not going to get an entire group permabanned, others have tried, for much worse offenses, and failed. Your sole mission seems to be to get myself specifically, and my group friends banned, under the mistaken impression that I will still have to pay for land I won't be using. No dice dearie, I have a spotless record for almost two years.

Your in over your head Phoenix, but I don't mind. All this attention just makes people curious, which makes them visit, which ups my Traffic.

If your curious as to all the hullaballoo, visit the sim Satyr and see for yourself!

You know..normally I'm all for drama..but why don't you two take your personal squabble in game?

I'm trying to Jonas, but I can't seem to Abuse Report my own posts! I demand LL fix this issue at once!

I am seriously not liking traps that go phatom and follow you untill it has retraped you unless you tped out.. I think of getting my own land if i see traps I can remove them when they are trying to trap me or my friends... its annoying that someone dosn't want to be caged..

hmm define griefing?

it started with a poor baby complainging someone "pushed her"

hell you will sentence a death penality on someone if he bump you in the street? (RL)

Id just rez a prim inside and move out..if it follows you, oh well, youre not the one responsible for script lag..any ARs go to them

My response a couple weeks would have been keep working through the normal channels i.e. abuse report, linden liaison etc.

But after i went through something similiar in one of lots, my new advice is, NUKE em. No literally, make it impossible for them to use the sim through:

TOS compliant Precautions:
1-don't sell you land, that's what they want.
2-build a wall, wear no impact armour and scripts
3-set everything to autoreturn for other people's objects
4-disable outside scripts on your land
5-don't allow anyone except your group members to create objects on the land

Less TOS compliant Precautions & defenses
1-Hire an explosives and weapons expert from one of the sanboxes, invite them to test their weapons on your land while your group is not logged on. LOL
2-Rez a jointed physical object in your land( are joints still around, I think they took them away) --> if done right a simple thing like a windchime type of joint will bring the sim down like every 5 minutes.

and finally:
3-NUKE em. No seriously freaking bathe them in anything and everything that's explosive. What are they going to do? Abuse report? LOL seriously....Don't wait for them to attack you, you've been attacked. Next time you see them on their lot, let it rip. Let it rip every time, each time, until they beg you to stop.

I am sorry dear Lindens, your law and order has failed and the freedom you so vehemently advocated is turning the Grid into the Wild Wild West sans all the promise for gold.

Of course per rules and regulations, I must say please use this advice at your own risk. I personally have not had the balls till now to engage in a full on battle with my neighbors. But then again I have not had it as bad as you do....

I think it is time to cue the scene from Rambo where Slyvester Stallone gets ready for fighting back. LOL

Troy

Precisely. It's no difficulty at all to come up with tactics to ruin SL for people without pushing them around, and there's no technical solution that can't be worked around. I've run into more problems with particle bombs and noisemakers than push scripts.

Pop up the map, double-click on a spot a few meters away. P2P teleport has made traps pretty much pointless.

Wow, it sucks to be completely and repeatedly harassed by a single user or group, doesn't it? I wonder if some perspective is in order.

And no, LL does not seem to listen to requests about continued abuse by said single user or group.

MM

Sounds kinda like the Jedi, who keep getting harassed no matter where they go.

Eventually I have to wonder when they become the ones feeding the harassment.


- Kevin in Phoenix

yes, i too have found that abuse reporting does absolutely NOTHING except get a canned response.

also, ive found that if you get banished for three days, there is a link to defend yourself agaist the report, BUT its completely IGNORED and you get banned anyway. you cant defend yourslf and you are ignored.

great system.

I was referring more to a constant nuisance that does not go away. After several ARs, an email or two to Support seemed to also be ignored. I know they are VERY busy with ARs, since people AR at the drop of a hat. But when I have to send in several emails and ARs with many/repeated personal threats which cause my SL experience to be anything but enjoyable, you'd think they would notice and respond somehow.

MM

Depending on the Lindens to do anything is a complete and utter waste of time. Last griefing attack on my own sim, I had no less than eight (yes, that's right - eight different Lindens come take a look, take a few snapshots, and then leave.

The griefers basically rendered the sim useless for three days before they got bored and moved on. TWO WEEKS LATER I get a series of automated support replies from LL stating they've resolved the reports and closed them. Checked the police blotter faithfully for weeks. Not. One. Single. Entry. EVER.

These days, I'm of the opinion the acronym AR stands for Autopsy Report.


No wonder griefing (and by extension vigilantiism) is so high.



- Newfie

It should probably be noted that this thread was made because of a group being frusterated that a "rival" group hadn't been banned. The thread was not started to address the issue of "Griefers" in general, but to address a specific issue to try and drum up sympathy or linden response. The fact is the issue in question has already been addressed by several Lindens, multiple times. The so called "griefers" talked about in the first post of this thread did not grief anyone, as evidenced by the lack of not only a ban, but the lack of any warnings. This thread was started, basically, because the Lindens do not regulate taste, and that annoyed the group thats member started this thread.

no, this thread was posted due to an actual griefing threat. the reason the lindens supposedly havent done anything yet is because the issues are still under investigation. at least supposedly. this has nothing to do with taste. It has to do with the actions performed by the members of this group.

Tasty, however has one valid point. The thread was created to get community awareness. Since the lindens are taking forever to take action, the community being aware may push them to do something.

I can understand how it might annoy people if the Lindens don't immediately ban whoever they believe is causing a problem, but this kind of thread is unnecessary. The Lindens won't work any faster just because a thread is posted.

I just got an e-mail today for supposedly shooting somebody in Fortuna. I went to fortuna to try to recall what may have happened and with who. It's just an empty sim and very boring there. No way to protest it but no action is being taken so I guess it really doesn't matter right?

That doesn't work. What does work is build a box, sit on it and cahnge the Z coordinates on position to 2000 so it sends you up in the air and detaches the trap.

Well, I popped over to the so-called "griefing" side of the wall in Satyr, and had quite an interesting chat with a bunch of people about the problems of ARing in SL, potential motivations of LL, issues that could be improved and so on.

The other side of the wall seemed a bit dull to me, no offence meant.

Just a point of note:

I wouldn't reccomend that anyone retaliate against a griefer using any method that might be against the TOS, no matter the circumstances.

Say I'm Joe Griefer, and I hate you. So I annoy you to no end until you blast me into the next sim to get me out of your hair. Then I calmly submit an Abuse Report against you for blasting me.

Guess who will show up in the Police Blotter? You.

Don't be goaded into retaliating, folks - more often than not, both the Griefer AND the Griefee get sanctioned by Linden. Linden does not recognize Self Defense as an excuse for retaliation.

The best thing to do is to file an Abuse Report, throw the offender on Mute, and move on. If its an active griefing - meaning you've filed an Abuse Report, and you're continuing to be griefed: Contact Live Help and explain that you've already filed an AR, and X person still wont leave you alone. If a Liason is available, they might be able to come and assist.

IMHO - Its a true statement that often it appears that Linden doesn't follow up appropriately with abuse reports. But too many times folks have been suspended for simply doing what they thought was protecting themselves or their friends.

The only "productive" weapon Linden gives us to combat grief is an Abuse Report combined with a lot of Patience.