Griefers in SL

If you grief people a whole shitload, and also file ARs constantly against them, it confuses the whole system. You run the risk of being cornfielded for a little while, but that's about it, and you defuse almost all of the ARs against you - it gets filed as a "dispute between residents".

From my experience, people can file the most ridiculous ARs against you, and if it's part of an ongoing "dispute", nobody will examine them, they'll just either do something or not depending on what sort of mood they're in.

There's some good discussion going on here--please keep it out of personal disputes, because of what it says in the Guidelines:



And just to be absolutely clear, however, encouraging other Residents of Second Life to violate Community Standards is NOT allowed. So please, do not invite others to "fight fire with fire" in safe areas.



All too often, I've seen it just makes things worse. It's like that Simpsons episode of Itchy & Scratchy where the cat-and-mouse opponents repeatedly pull out larger and larger weapons until the whole world goes splodey. It just makes everyone mad. It takes a strong person to keep their calm.

And if you do want to let loose, we have that too. There are special warzone areas in Second Life where you go crazy with the guns. I do it myself, and yes, I have quite a collection of weapons. The locations include Combat (sandbox) Rausch and the two adjoining ones, Jessie, and several private islands that have damage turned ON--you'll see a heart icon with 100% next to it in the menu bar. Perfectly appropriate places to challenge someone else to a duel instead of getting innocent bystanders hit in the process too.

With the new superspeedy teleports in 1.9, it hardly takes any time to come back at all after you are "killed" in a combat zone.

I've met griefers once a few days ago. It got ugly too and of course they tried to blame my friends and I.

The best thing to do if a griefer crosses your path. Mute resident. If they are the type that start verbal fights. If they are the type that send you flying up in the air, report them, mute resident and go about your business. If you aren't playing their game, they get bored and leave you alone. If they persist, sit on an object, take screen shots of them, copy what they were saying to you and send it to the land owner suggesting that they ban them.

Good words to live your Second Life by!

Be in the clear, show you are doing the right thing.

Sitting on an object to become invulnerable to pushes is highly underrated.

Absolutely true. Mute, eject and ban. Then go somewhere else for a few minutes and picture them in their underwear, and snicker inwardly. I can almost guarantee they will be gone by the time you get back. Don't engage them. These are bored people looking for some silly confrontation. Don't give them what they want.

The trouble is, Torley, that given the rate at which ARs are dealt with, and the immense leniency with which they are dealt for active griefers, and the whole "don't interfere with disputes between residents" policy, it becomes far more logical for someone to retaliate than to AR after a while.

What I posted regarding ARs is quite true, and is well known by griefers. Combine your efforts with ARing everything in sight and you will confuse the system.

I don't retaliate and I've become very sick of the issues being entirely ignored - and even being ARed myself for absolutely nothing. I absolutely cannot advise people to do the same on a long term basis. Certainly for the first few episodes, it's best not to do so, but if you keep reporting and nothing ever gets done, what alternative is there, apart from sit around and submit to who ever wants to annoy you? I'm not Ghandhi.

I would like to see LL properly arbitrating here but at the moment they don't.

If I understand correctly, a warning such as you got is all it takes to keep a person from being a resident moderator, forever . This does not seem right to me.

You got that right, Torley. Thanks for jumping in on the thread to remind people of some common sense and rules. I think one thing I was alluding to was when someone griefs beyond a certain point where mutes and simbans are not enough. The person uses other contacts and makes idle threats to groups you are in and attempts to frankly make your Second Life a living hell. This is the type of griefing that I got no answer on, even though I sent in several well-constructed, mostly-objective emails. I think in these extreme cases one can rightfully expect an individual response from the Lindens.

I too know that ARs are a dime a dozen, and that sitting on a cube and ignoring fixes most of the problems. I think most of the griefing that goes on could be avoided or otherwise "handled" with these simple suggestions. But when someone seems to have the goal of ruining your SL experience all because of a disagreement in-world, that crosses a line. I just wish LL saw this line as well and would address it in a more professional manner.

MM

hmmm...I wonder if you met the same group of people I met. Did they try to get you banned as well? Did one of the member's begin with the letter R and rhyme with Spock?

I am going to avoid naming names due to TOS and Forum rules. But my particular gripe stems from several months ago and is long over now. I'm just whining to hopefully change the way extreme cases are handled.

MM

BTW I guess my "incident" was on the 8th. No idea what I/HE/SHE did.

Honestly, we have abuse reported everyone... it took four days before we actually did counter-attack... and we still had our abuse reports in first... The lindens dont take any action against severe level griefers especially considering they have nuked our land.

Well this griefing group has nuked our land, done severe level offenses.... they attack, they get reported, they simnuke they get reported, but when one of us does something as simple as verbal abuse... we get an instant 7 day ban.. (its interesting, especially as the verbal abuse was instigated by 4 days worth of griefing attacks).

On top of it, i've uncovered some information that the griefing group is not only harassing us, but they are also harassing another next door neighbor.

Yaknow, I think I'm gonna let the whole SL world in on a little secret. Wanna know the best way to defeat some of the...we'll say creative griefers in SL? Not the idiot sim blasters, but those who parody your things, laugh at your avatar, giggle at your groups...Get ready. This is deeply guarded. They might kill me for it. LAUGH WITH THEM! Yes Friends, if you can actually take that step back and go, "Heh, Sith Ewoks are goofy. Hah, Goreans do dress funny. Wow, my bling IS signaling ETs from another Metaverse...", thats when you win.

Going crazy on forums IMs screaming ranting trying to get people banned moaning crying depressing committing SLuicide....All you do is give more ammo to sit back and go "Hey look at these twitchy kids."

Pity about the non-creative griefers, though. You know, the boneheads who have nothing better to do than do the same thing over and over again.

I find some peoples definition of a greifer ammusing. I was labled by some as a griefer because i offered them my recently completed plane (free of charge), told them "hi", and asked them if they wanted to play chess. I am such a fiend. Oh and I rated one of them positivly, man I'm evil.

That wouldn't work on the group I met. Tried and someone else tried it too but ended up pissing off someone he cared about. Stupid story.

You have to take drastic steps and do this.

Have the land owners ban them and request the land owner check mark no outside scripts on their land until the threat is eliminated. You did say Our land so I'm hoping you have control over the land and can implement this.

Agreed. Is far too empty-gestured a statement, to be denied being a resmod. That's like punishing a child by saying 'you'll regret this when you're 90.'


- Newfie

we've taken all those steps... griefers dont understand the fact that what they're doing is against the rules. Some people take it much more seriously than others.

Thanks for the info. I'm a security officer for a sim, and i take extra measures in security. Shields, Security Orbs, Non Physical Vehicles, Scanners, Retaliation devices, move locks, Object Locaters, Bomb Detectors, the works. The fact that LL doesn't do much about it puzzles me. Grid crashing, preventing others from enjoying SL, and purposely attempting to lag a region knowing it will happen. All things that LL should focus on. They get our hopes up by promising tools to counter it but either only give them to estate owners or secretly remove them without telling us. 1.9 was supposed to have script function disabling on estates but it didn't happen. Parcel tools haven't been changed at all... Scripts have a short memory limit so your security devices lock up at times and have to be reset. Theres not much we can do but defend ourselves with retaliation. But then WE GET BANED. The griefer don't get crap... Its like high school. The bully starts the fight but if you try to finish it its YOUR BUTT on the line. All they get is a warning. Linden labs either do something or let us do something. Any Region in SL not combat enabled is not for PVP and it should be disabled anywhere that isn't. I don't care who thinks otherwise. LL wont give us inviability or show as offline mode cuz it would allow us to grief. Well then remove llPushObject. cuz it does the same thing!

How do you pronounce "Bheuring"?

Well, I flew over there out of morbid curiosity. I was assaulted randomly by a jerk while flying over Satyr. Lobbing missiles at me. I asked her politely in IM why she was shooting at me and she said 'cause it's fun.' and kept at it. So I switched physics off and sent in a nice abuse report with the chat log. Doubt much will come of it and she didn't seem affiliated with either group, but enh.

So I went to visit the Jedi, and my general impression was the New Order of Jedi doesn't have much class. I was hovering around in my airship and they kept randomly shoving me around with a push script of some kind. Probably silly 'force powers.' But wait, this is a store you have here right, isn't customers dropping by kind of the point? Did I miss something? Did you miss something? Then one of the 'Jedi Masters' returned my airship while I was flying it, and tried to blame it on autoreturn. I pointed out that she was clearly lying, because autoreturn doesn't return vehiclse that are in use, and the notification said 'returned by <insert person here>' which doesn't happen with autoreturn. So she kicked me from the parcel. World class, really.

My friends were testing weapons today and I had my normal everyday, nonshield attachment son.. he started hitting me and it moved me a foot, but th punishment field sent him half a sim...

edit: it just sent the force he was directed at me back So even if a greifer used that gun it would hurt him more

Maybe we should have something like force event? when an object (or attachment) is being pushed, an event triggers and object can cancel this force?