BEWARE: Stolen Textures In Second Life!!!!!

of course people are concerned when they hear about it. but perhaps all they heard was watch out for your skins being ripped off, there is some word in the air about it, but lack the information like a forum post or who got ripped off. You have to give people the benifit of the doubt how they hear about rumors without anyway t see it for themselves.

there are missing children eveyday in this worlds, we are all concerned about it, but you never think it could happen to your kid because you took safe precautions and taught them right.....but the day your kid comes up missing you becom heavily involved with other cases. purely an example of a wake up call that is all. I think you are just being too hard on Lost. I didnt know this was such a serious thing until today. Most skins that get ripped off is usually accidental permission slips.

You are right, I apologize if I came across too harsh.
So now that this happen to Lost and more designers are aware it happens and it is very easy for it to happen, what are we going to do about it?

because you buy the lincense to use it for photo refrences, and as you know as a skin maker too there is alot of blending and painting and stretching and time. photoreal is one of the hardist skins to make without seams. it makes it his own when he uses a commercial stock for his creations. you know ya cant just stick a pic on a template and woola ya got a skin, there is tangible work involved.

I hesitated to post to lend support since there are already 12 pages of it, but I too feel for you. In fact I was *really* worried when I saw this thread because I know several people who have purchased that skin. Turns out it was from you, thankfully. That's one of the finest female skins in sl, so it's no surprise you're a target. But I for one completely support you and hope the person is punished for the theft.

I think the "union" idea is a good one, or some way for a group to be created so buyers can be sure that they're not buying fakes. Easier said than done I'm sure. But you guys in sl are true artists, and deserve to be paid for your work.

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Exactly. John Walsh who started America's Most Wanted being a prime example. Then there's Mark Klass, father of Polly Klass, and Patty Wetterling, mother of Jacob Wetterling, both of whom became advocates for children after their own children were abducted.

Maybe we should have lambasted them publically too, Sensual, for not having done anything until their children were taken from them? Would that make you feel better?

It's the way it works. MADD was founded by Candy Lightner, whose 13-year-old daughter was killed by a drunk driver. So let's scold her too, shall we?

And before you say, "Well, those are a lot more serious than texture theft", let's remember who upped the ante by dragging bank robbery into the "debate".

Let's work together to try and fix this, or in the absence of a true fix, make it harder to steal textures at least. Even a group dedicated to awareness would be a good first step. Anything but this arguing about what someone may or may not have done before it happened to them. It's insignificant and petty in the big picture.

stop fighting eachother and start making awareness for those who havent heard it yet. fight for the rights of artist not thieves.

I guess you didnt read my reply before you decided to open your mouth, geez a year of peace having you on mute... back you go...

Good idea, and how do we go about doing that? Obviously posting in the forums doesnt work as it has been going on for months and you, Lost and many others were unaware... so what to do?

There is no difference in the process of photosourcing, but it makes all the difference in the world which photos you choose to source. Unless the owner of the photo grants you the right to do so, you don't have the right. Anyone that buys textures from http://www.3d.sk/ or one of the other sources is buying the right to create derivative works from that source. It is legal and quite a few designers do that to enhance the look of their skins and save time developing them.

Sensual, where are you going with this now ? I do think its wrong ,I dont think its leaglly wrong .
Anyone who knows me knows I photo source everything . At one time I was photo-sourcing clothing i found on the web ..was this your next post? Yes when I started, this is how I learned .
I learned my lesson though , I got tired of seeing things all over SL that looked just like mine . I still photo source in one way or another everything I make for second life.It is not because I dont have the artistic ability to paint my own clothing , I just personally like the way photo sourced things look . What I do different now is photograph my own clothing .

This is only my opinion but I believe the major difference in this and that is we pay for the photos that women have posed for knowing what they are going to be used for . We then take our artistc ability and create an artistic work from the resources that were sold for this purpose .

Resourced clothes from the net ..yes this is somones property and moraly its wrong I would suppose but Im not going to rant this because for one Ive been guilty in the past and for two I dont believe it harms the companies sales . They are not selling avatar clothing ,they are selling clothing for real people somone using a top from guess that they have reworked for an av is not going to effect the sales of that top for the guess company ...may boost them though ...free advertising .

Stealing an artistic work such as a painting from the net to sell ....lets say Royo , he seems to be popular here .Wrong ...claiming somone elses work as your own. they make a living from their painting and yes this could jeapordize this . just like lost makes a living from his skins and stealing them and reselling them could jeapordize this .

I started typing it before you replied. Boohoo, quit lighting fires if you can't handle the heat. You made a childish stink for page after page about it. I make two posts and I go on ignore. I am glad to go on your ignore list to be honest - but don't think for a moment I will avoid pointing out your flawed logic and pettiness in the future, just because you supposedly placed me on ignore.

Oh Goodness... you need to take a blood pressure pill, this was a legitimate question, I even posted I have photsourced in the past... I really wanted to know the answer as I see many things in SL photsourced... and was wondering how one can claim it as thier work and protect if it was photosourced.... it had nothing to do with you.. hell I didnt even know you made clothes...

ya wanna talk close to home, i grew up in the town and used to swim in the creek adam was discovered. There was a huge awareness assemblies in the school due to that fact it was that close to home. People just arent always aware of the world around them because it is a scarey place.

A more simplistic look at things here... someone used Lost's skin to create a "new" one. They gave or sold it to another party to sell. That person created an ad and started selling this skin. Lost found out about it, and stopped the sale. The ad has been removed from the forums and probably any other places. They have apologized and learned a lesson - if it's too good to be "true" it probably is.

What do you want now? To crucify the person? To have this practice stopped? It won't be. What seems to work, is when the problem is discovered, it's revealed. Pressure is placed on the person that is wrong and it is stopped. Does this work every time? No! The times it does work tho, is an accomplishment.

I believe that the system worked for Lost. Keep it up and tackle the next issue of theft. There's one around the corner, it's just a matter of time and finding it. Kudos to Lost and Ambyance for their hard work.

Lost, I am sorry this is happening to anyone of the creators in SL. I'm just glad y'all love it enough that you're still here and you're all still creating. Being a consumer whore, I need you creators to keep making stuff! (Truly).

I tested that skin yesterday, but only saw the face cuz I didn't try it on nekkie...it did tickle my brain that it had scalp hair...but I didn't like the makeups...so I didn't buy it. Now I am sooooo glad I didn't.

I'm unimpressed with designer's who support theft, then turn around and yell "thief" when it happens to them, then they turn around and slam another designer when they get robbed...go figure. *shrugs*

What really sucks about all of this is things like Nam said...I'm PISSED that Nam is holding back creating because of theives. How can I, as a consumer whore, help? Please let me know, I'll get the other consumer whore's together and we'll kick some serious ass!

Wow.

I didn't read through all 13 pages, but just in response to the original post: I SINCERELY hope something is done. This is very, very bad, both for Lost and for all of the rest of us as well.

I kind of wish there were a blacklist of design thieves I could refer to in order to always avoid them ...

that is the point.

we are all fighting the same cause why attack eachother?

we will never figure out how if everyone is too busy belittling one another. Hostility is being slung around, just count to ten and step away fromt he room for a minute grab a cold soda then come back with a different approach.

like i said we are fighting hte same fight shouldnt be fighting eachotther.

Anyone want to start a notecard? Better yet, email me at [email]lizbethmarlowe@gmail.com[/email] and I'll start a list on my blog!

Ever consider who this will hurt? Ever consider the amount of damage this list can do to a paying customer of SL? Many here have stated they started out copying photosource material. If just starting out their names were added to this list, how could they ever be the designers today without a lot of heartache? Are you really here to hurt people?

Many people come here to make money. We all would like that golden dream of paying our real life bills through SL. This will bring out those just learning and yes, they will try to get away with making a lot of money by stealing. You know their motives. It's our responsibility to remind them of the morals they should have when they turned 18 and left their mom and dad's homes. Well, that's not a given, so we have to do what we can to guide them into being responsible SL artists. A blacklist of sorts shoots them in the foot before they even know what they are doing.

It was Lost's responsibility to be aware of the SL world around him IF he wanted to know. He should read about the world and read about the theft issues long before it happened to Him. We all should haves until we jumped through the night into the light of day. He didn't until it happened to him. You all want LL to "do something". It's your world, by reporting the issues, you are doing something for yourselves. By sending the reports to LL so that they "might" do something is doing something for yourselves. Continue the trend - right now that's the best course of action.

A blacklist? I hate to see that happen to good people that will only be hurt by such things. It's kin to a lynch mob and the same mentality that helped to create it. It's not good for SL, the economy, or what is good about SL and it's community members.

Well said but I dont think she is referring to photosourcing she is referring to theft from other deisgners within SL

If you're going to do it, please also include the name(s) of designers they stole from so we can go buy the original products when we spot stolen items we like.

Also, what's the address of your blog?

Look at her sig... if you have them turned on, that is.. otherwise it's http://marlowesmemoirs.blogspot.com/

I disagree. In the absence of significant action on the part of LL, it is the RESPONSIBILITY of the SL community itself to take action -- in a calm, organized manner. It's not just something we CAN do, it's really something we SHOULD do.

Oh, whoops ... I instinctively tune out signatures. Sorry. Thanks!

making a list of names like that can get ya in a heat of trouble, I hate to say it but it can. word of mouth is far better, i stay in contact with a good about of different designers, really the only thing that can be done is watch eachothers backs, when it is discovered take proper action. List of offendors i believe is a volation of the TOS and could cause a major riot. Maybe a long term skin maker like chip can start an alliance group for skin makers to keep in touch with eachother privately of findings.