BEWARE: Stolen Textures In Second Life!!!!!

As long as you continue to protect the thief you're every bit as guilty as they are. Getting conned and unknowingly distributing stolen property is one thing, knowing your friend stole the textures and continuing to protect them is something entirely different. It makes you complicit.

Raquel, if that's true then you did the honorable thing. The next issue then is this: If someone is ripping textures illegally and then selling them to designers:

(a) They need to be reported to LL, who will make it very clear what the consequences of this can be. I wouldn't think they'll be banned, but they will be shown the error of their ways hopefully.
(b) Designers should be extremely leary of textures they didn't make being sold to them at any price.

Great idea. I don't know if the texture makers want to get into the logistics of that, but I'd only buy there if it existed.

Cindy absolutely, this is complicated with the person who supplied them, but they will be dealt with, I need to talk to them, then the proper 'authorities' need to talk to them, not a vigilante crowd. I was so close to telling lost, but with the way ambyance acted towards me, that is simply not going to happen.

Yes, well I suspect you are from a different English speaking area of the world than me, in which case I shouldn't have expected you to pick up on the phraseology I adopted... I take the blame for that and apologise unreservedly.

Mind you, I still do find it irritating that an awful lot of people here assume others haven't a clue rather than extending them the benefit of the doubt Though maybe I led you, albeit unintentionaly, astray. It wasn't intentional.

That's interesting, I never heard of it before. It's a shame I don't have a second Digimark to test it with. But I suppose I'll have to look into it. Thanks for the heads up Yumi.

Raquel,
We have your conversations ,from the beginning when you first said it was resource pack from renderosity , a texture you claimed you pored hours into ,to the last response from you threatening to also give my textures away for free. In all the conversations I never saw any point where you seemed cooperative . I see one lie after another .

You can pretend to be the victim here all you want . The only victim here is lost . You are not some innocent person who was railroaded . You posted the skin here in the forums , not only did you post the stolen skin you also used losts hair and eyes for your ad .I think whatever you get you deserve .

I didn't say they were. But the actual Laws are different in different countries, and in fact a few simply don't have them.

So, quoting chapter and verse of US copyright law to people who may live anywhere in the world doesn't make a lot of sense.
Yes, the laws may apply in the location of the servers, but if the accused lives in Europe or Asia, or wherever, providing they don't personaly set foot in US jurisdiction, applying those particular copyright laws is impossible - thus quoting them is pointless.

Indeed, some countries legal systems could even ignore attempts to enforce local laws in local courts using local lawyers (a horribly expensive exercise, especially for a case like this) - for an example look no further than Apple Computer's recent experiences in France.

Relying on the law of any country to protect your interests is pretty foolish. It's far better to prevent problems rather than take them to law. And though many people talk about going to law, even in the laughably litigous USA relatively few do.

see i dont get this. i have tried to do the reasonable thing, they are NOT FOR sale any more, and you as a THIRD PARTY have to get your butt involved. i have said all i'm going to say, i have been fully cooperative, and you have personally attacked me and my land & stores. IT WILL NOT BE TOLERATED ANY FURTHER ambyance.

Deleted, no idea why it double posted

Quoting was not pointless, it was to direct people to real documented information not just the Doc Nielsen word.

I have no idea what country anyone lives in but this link which u left out quoting me http://www.wipo.int/treaties/en/ is indeed real reading material rather then rumors or words being tossed in a hostile environment.

there is a searchable database there too to fnd the treaty in your country.

I am not going to sling words to you getting into a political or copyright debate. People can do their own research.

reason why I picked your reply was because of your hostility toward another poster for this link.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derivative_work

but hey you can jump on me too if ya like I don't care, I just won't bother replying when I already know people have access to real information. They can do their own research to their own country now and take their options and facts further from there.

Have a Nice Day

There are reports from time to time of duplication exploits. One difference is that those can be stopped - when LL finds out about them, they do try to address them and remove the exploit. People continue to poke and try to exploit the client to get it to do things it shouldn't, so new exploits do crop up from time to time. If you do find out of a way to duplicate items that is reproduceable, let LL know about it.

The texture theft issue on the other hand is quite different. While there are some steps that could be taken to make it more difficult, it can't be stopped completely. LL is aware of this issue as well, but there is not much that they can do unfortunately. Higher levels of encryption and such things would create an unacceptable tradeoff in performance, and doing digital fingerprinting on a texture and checking against the massive amount of content in SL is also unfeasible.

I wouldn't worry, Doc does not even believe the textures are stolen in the first place, they are only similar!

It's untrue that LL cannot "program their way out" of it.

Many games, for instance CounterStrike, do take measures to detect and block GL Interception. It's not hard to do unless you are up against a determined and skilled opponent, which LL are not. Even then it's still possible to "win" (see WoW).

For cards that support shaders it'd even be possible to pass textures and meshes scrambled into the card and have them descrambled on the GPU. Defeatable? Yes, if you assume an opponent with infinite resources, time and motivation.

Seriously, this "it's impossible" meme is just annoying. I'm not saying LL are wrong in their policy - I want to see an open SL universe just as much as the next guy - but I strongly disagree with the idea that it's technically impossible to stop. It's technically impossible to make it technically impossible, but that's not the same thing at all.

Judging from subsequent posts it appears that this was the case. Still, at a quick glance my impression was that they were similar, not identical. And a 'copy' is just that - identical.

SL is full of items that look very similar. Oddly the only people who seem to make a fuss about it are Clothes/Skin creators... Are they more perceptive? Are they more prone to plagarism? Are the other content creators simply more inclined to shrug it off?

Who knows?

Have LL adressed this anywhere? This is a big thread and issue...much work goes into these skins and other items.

I was about to do some stuff myself but won't bother at all now.

funnily enough, WoW is one that GL intercept is demonstrated on

The other method WoW uses I would stop using SL if they started using, just like I stopped using WoW.

Heh, I had purchased a copy of their demo to make sure I wasn't just making an unreasonable assumption. If you put mine and their's on one after the other, you will obviously notice differences in the face, skin tone....but things like exact placement of nipples, belly botton, moles, pubic hair, ears, private part, elbos, knees, feet, tongue ALL TOGETHER ?? (I could understand seeing the same nipples, or mapped hair which would then make the assumption they used similar reasources) BUT There is no way person had simpley used the same photo reasources to create a "similar" looking skin....If you look at the photo reasources from the site listed earlier,, which i did use for many parts (3d.sk)... you will notice multiple pictures of the same parts of the body as well. Not only is my skin created by "Copy and paste" ....i put hours hours hours and hours, MONTHS, of work into blending and painting over these images. I also painted the stomach "U" as well as used used multiple people (different belly button, and various parts) SO. I can understand seeing similar parts such as the mapped hair, nipples....but this entire skin was very obviously created using my exact textures.

Not to mention, I had used a photograph of my RL tongue which I also noticed they included in their skin.... So im sorry, but this is not a simple "oh no same photo reasources have been used" situation.

Ok that just makes me want to giggle

Sorry, I know your pissed but that was kinda funny

The poster in question posted a link that explicitly related to US Law. In the context of SL with a world wide userbase US Law is not terribly relevant. And as for hostility, I simply matched the previous posters style.

All TRUE artist knows their work when they see it.

and even two artist using the exactly photorefrences can not place them in the exact places on the templates.

any expert in for example Authenticating Works of monet can see two paintings one the real one the fraud and see things like brush strokes, no two artist uses the same strokes. Art is done by your hands even on the comp you use a mouse or tablet, the way an artist works is just like the way each person signed their name differently.

lmao similar, even though the person at fault here openly admits she didnt make the texture she got it from someone else that has the abilty to take textures............

I think you're confusing glIntercept with game hacks used to replace on the fly game models, remove walls etc to provide FPS player with unfair advantage.

Would be interested to see some sort of proof to back up that claim though, since running a quick google check for Counterstrike and glIntercept turned up basically nothing. No single instance of these two being mentioned in the same context. o.O;

, yeah I agree it is, but theres no way she got a pic of my tongue

Brilliant!
This makes me think, I have read that ears are unique to every person. If all Skin makers use their own ear in the skins, that would be a ironclad proof who made it. Offcourse thiefs could change the ear. So uhm... you will have to use some random body part.
This could be something to consider.

Linden Lab is in California therefor must abide by the United States Laws, that is a fact. All it takes is an artist to file a cease and desist formal letter which is the first document towards a lawsuit. So it doesnt matter what country you are from or I am from Linden Lab is in the USA therfor MUST obey USA laws and is responsible to remove infringment from their game that is registered to their name.