Why the "camping"?

I alwasy seen it like, if the camping was not there. Those people would not be there anyway.
That dead traffic still exists.

It seems some think that these campers would be doing other things if it wasn't for camping.
If I come back to the computer, and I feel like doing something in sl, I don't sit on my ass hoping for another L$2
Hah no way.

If it wasn't for the camping I would log off.
All of my accounts would not exist except maybe one.
LL would be out $30 that I made from camping in the first place. (Not that it makes or breaks em.)

No I don't think someone is going to sit there and wait for a little extra two or three lindens instead of go build and have fun when they feel like it.
They sit them down then they need to go elsewhere in real life.

So in that way I can't see any difference on dead traffic. If it wasn't for a camping chair they would just log off.
Even back when chairs were paying L$8 I would jump off to go have fun when I feel like it.
Anyway intersting points everyone makes here. I'm starting to like this forum again.

Why not put in a voting system like we have for avies. We like a place and we put a positive feedback on them.
Oh then they could pay us to do it.
Yeah it won't matter what system is in place as long as it links to our activity.

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Oh but I like that 5% discount idea. If only I would buy items in the first place.
Actually I have but only cause it was really really cool stuff. Even if I can't download it on my computer. In that case yeah that would be cool.

But personally I would like it more on giving lindens out so I can use them for uploading textures or sounds.
Cause I personally build stuff. And I wouldn't do so otherwise if it wasn't for camping.
And I won't be doing a job in SL for several of my real hours for just a few hundred lindens.
I use time in SL for fun time only. And a hobby.
I can't see how some people do the hosting thing when all that time they could be doing other things. And only get payed $1.72 USD for an event. (which is about 3 hours?)
If that is fun for them as a hobby then I totally understand that.
But otherwise, talk about slave wages.
Campers of course are not tied to the computer

No, but that's the point. If the camping wasn't there, all those extra traffic points that propel the camping grounds into the Popular Places list simply wouldn't exist. It's not a case of them competing with other sites for traffic (or it is to some extent, but I'd say that isn't something that could be complained about, just like RL art galleries can't demand nightclubs get closed down), but a case of them manufacturing extra traffic by competing for the "dead traffic" market.

Problem is, competition for dead traffic doesn't help SL much.

AH I see.
Yeah I can understand the appeal for using traffic to show where people like to go. But in a society that has a lot of business that would just be natural to use it for a status symbol. OR as I see it. Making the Find button a Google search engine. Where stores or places pay to have people notice and come look at their site. Or land. However it is.
Also that may not be what it was first used for in the first place, but, that is how things changed and what people wanted. All change effects something in a negative way.
As far as I can tell anyway.
Also it's not like this is a plague either.
There is a place for a house and a place for a store. A place for advertisments and a place for campers.
There is also City sims and Forest sims.
The tree huging people may not like the city dwellers but they both exist just the same.
That whole "Your world" stuff has got to go. Heh
Next people will be saying we can't have certian "types" of people in here.
Because that is not "their world". Kind of a dangerous slogan now that I think about it.

I guess I am one of those SL members who would never spend my own RL money to buy Lindens so I can buy things in SL. People like me...and there are thousands of us, need a way to make a few dollars if you want us to buy your items for sale. I camp out and I go shopping and exploring and sometimes play games. I do not have the RL time to "create things" to sell in SL nor the desire.

All in all, is SL only for those who are into building, making and creating things"??? In reading these forums one would think so. I happen to believe there is room for everyone here and if you eliminate "camping chairs" and ways for some us to make L$'s then we simply will lose interest in being here. My interest here is what I make it to be, and I don't think anyone should be the judge of it. If I need to spend time sitting in a chair to make a few bucks who is it hurting and why is it soooo annoying to those who choose not to do that? Let me guess! You want me to come to your site and look at your creations and all your stuff and perhaps buy things which makes "you" money, and or play your games instead of making my own L$'s right? That's fine...but I'd like a choice in that...a choice in what I do with my time here. It is as simple as that!

Sure, which is why I'm not saying we should ban camping chairs. But, camping chairs should not have an advantage over everything else on SL that might want traffic, simply because they appeal to the dead traffic market. Hence my suggestion to allow dead traffic to be assigned to any parcel on the grid.

I was going to sit in a camping chair but it was too hard, everyone had done it before.

I don't think there's anything wrong with there being a way of you getting "free" L$, or doing whatever you choose. The issue is at the other end: namely, that the places that give free L$ for doing nothing shouldn't get an advantage over everywhere else on the grid simply because they target people who are logged out.

Suppose there was a place on the grid where there was a box that you could touch, which gave you L$100 when you touched it. You couldn't touch it more than 10 times a day - but L$1000 is pretty good each day, right? That'd be good, right?

In the present system, that place wouldn't have a hard time getting into the Popular Places list, because it requires you to be active, and (unless you make your living from SL) you're always non-active for longer than you're active. Does that make sense? It doesn't to me

Darn it, I thought you said shit in a camping chair... I was gonna ask if you needed some TP

Yeah that makes sense.
So long as it is not tied into any scripting ability. Like with camping we can script a chair to pay someone.
If its not possible to script llPayDeadTraffic then it should be fine.

There is still the direct abuse that can happen like with the old negative feedback score that was on our avie's. Or even the positive one.
And that idea of a sales score that was going on at one point.

People can do the old "I'll pay you to give me the dead traffic" or "I'll give you L$105 to buy my L$100 item." And do it 100 times over for the sales. If that was ever put into the system.

Or have dead traffic parties like they used to have feedback parties. With lots of money balls or camping that only works if you payed your dead traffic. The latter part would require the scripting to detect it thou.
But same thing I guess.

In order to get rid of all this we would have to stop all scoring. Then we have a boring place.
Even then, if the Find button was based alphabetically, then we would have a ton of "AAAAAAAAAAA+ Casino!"
Just like our real life phone books are "gamed"
Oh well. I guess its always there and thats life for us.

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If our SL society actually found a way round this. Our RL world could take a lesson from it.