the end of privacy

What privacy? The mainland as a whole is a public space of sorts. You want privacy, buy a PRIVATE estate. Or talk outside of SL.

The reason teleport home and ejects are not reportable is because you can only teleport someone home or eject them if they are currently on your land. If your on someone's land they have the right to boot ya.

Problem with this is it prevents people from being able to legitimately fly around. If you are going to propose that ban lines be brought higher than 40m, then you should also propose that airspace owned by that property end at 400m so that those of us who like to travel around in our aircraft can move freely about. That will, of course, cause issues for those of us with max-height homes/buildings.

A compromise is indeed in order... but how do you make 150,000 people happy?

Not correct! I bought a script that allows you to push, eject or send home any unwanted alvatar within it operating range. It does not matter if the offending resident is within their land, anothers land, Linden land or even the Offending Residents land!

I only use mine on scan mode but know what it can do from the stats. Acording to a Linden, getting ejected from your own land is reportable!

That shouldn't be; I'd bug-report it. Pushing may work anywhere, but ejection and sending home should only work on land you own (or if group-owned, land that group owns).

Wow.

Another "feature" that no one asked for, that wasn't announced, and that impacts negatively on the average person.

Great job LL!

What's next, the ability to monitor chat on your estate?
Logs of what all your renters are saying about you?

This is probably in line with the program of giving estate owners the same tools that Lindens have on the mainland, which is interesting because I never knew when I was a newbie that Lindens could see into my house.

I wonder what other powers they have that we don't know about?

I want to be a Linden so I can peep on people changing clothes and find out all their dirty secrets. Jeez!

It is a feature of the "that other company" Security script. It even comes with a warning that it violates the TOS but still lets you do it!

Sorry this is a security script program I bought for L$500. It has a setting that allows you to restrict its "attacks" to your own property.

Responses:

Aliasi: My land, my rights. I can ban everyone to hgih heaven if I want with a security script. Thats why I pay tier. the privacy is afforded us when we buy the land and when we pay teir. Don't police taste and don't restrict my land rights..its my land, only LL and myself have the right to say what goes on.

Burnman: I was only replying to Ranma's delusional proposal that would keep anyone from having -any- security so that one group can fly without hititng a wall. There has to be a compromise, one side doesn't get it all. My own land has a platform at 300 m, and a skybox at 600, but no security script (even if I got one it would be a 'ban this person' versus 'allow only these'). Feel free to fly as long as you don't hit my buildings! On a side note, I used to have a public airstrip, sadly the desire to have my own store prempted this and it was dismantled..I have pics on my pc of it..sad moment, one want over another.

Sera: Thats right! You're on the track I am. To add to it though push in any form can be considered assault, so scripts can be as guilty as a gun.

Ranma: report it and shut yer overeactive yap.. you have to COMPROMISE. remember that word..all I ever hear out fo you is 'ban all security boo hoo.' Its your pet issue. your pet is a dead horse. Necroequinoflaggetation anyone?

edit: its probably psykes.. I ahve fun fucking with people who use the push defense on it since it lets you landmark to just come back on a box

Wha? How does this impact negatively on someone? In order for it to effect you you have to be on an estate that you do not own. You can't expect to go onto someone else's land and be guarenteed any privacy.

I did! nothing ever happened! Those pesky security scripts can be hidden! One way would be to have all Lindens on the allow list!

I will never shut up! I am free! I am women!!

I do not object to residents baring people from their land. If next to me I always returned the favor! I object to security scripts period! I really object to those that work outside of the owners land!!

How about getting ejected from your own property? Or does all of the land around yours should be controlled up to 100 meters or something like a "security zone"?

And I object tp getting rid of all the security scripts even if I don't use them. their land, their right. Get used to it, until you own their land.

Theres a point creaming 'I will never shut up' makes you a loon. You crossed that long ago. I don't care if your free. I don't care if you're a woman. though I am confused to how that plays in..since women don't have any rights above men..nor men above women..

You're beating a dead horse and noone cares anymore.

If someone sets up a security script next to you that ejects you from your property, you are going to do nothing? Or are you saying that your rights are important and nobody else?

Oh, there are people in Sl that think that women have no rights and have to be covered from head to toe.

For the record, I do not object to people baring others. I just want to know about it and have the tools to avoid that piece of SL. Getting a 10 second warning is not enough time. I would rather hit a wall and be prevented entry instead! Your ideal of having bar lines from ground level to 660? meters is ok with me and I do not object.

You can't be ejected off land you own, only pushed.

Push bad. Eject ok

report bad, suck up ok

I propose that the land owner's scripts be able to do something like this:

touch_start(integer n)
{
  vector target = llGetPos() + <0,0,-1024>;
  llTeleportAgent(llDetectedKey(0), llGetRegionName(), target, target + <1,0,0>);
}

Below -512 is outside draw distance for any avatar. I suggest that the negative space be sliced up into 512m high zones 512m apart. When you teleport down to the range -1024..-512 you'll end up in one of these slices (so you may actually end up at -4096), out of draw distance of any other slice containing any objects in any other parcel (so unless you leave a build down there ou might end up at another offset next time... which won't matter), and limited to the area of the parcel. This "underground skybox" will be the blank white of the "Construct" from _The Matrix_... decorate it with prims.

Since it's limited to your parcel, it shares your parcels prim limits and other restrictions, it's not "extra space", it's just a private skybox. You could use it for sex, or you could use it for part of your build... llTeleportAgent down anyone who walks into a "cave mouth" on your land...

And it'll open up the skies as skyboxes move to the private space...

You want me to prove you wrong in a test? One that the Lindens can monitor for QA purposes?

Yeah, and LL says you have to allow free access over your parcel. As said... it's NOT YOUR LAND. You're just renting it. Anshe-friggin-Chung is just renting it.

Where does LL say I have to let you over my property?

I might get a security script -just- to ban you -just- to prove my point.

edit: feel free to show me they make me allow free access..on 'paper' and in a majority of abuse reports related to security scripts. You're the one saying I -have- to allow you. the burden of proof is on you.

Wow this thread got completly off topic. We were talking about the new camming ability of estate owners..

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Pwned!

Please do. If it violates any of the established guidelines regarding security scripts, I'll also be more than happy to abuse report it.

Believe me, I planned on 15 second warning teleport home for you

Still nothing in there saying its required I give you access above my land..so you still haven't met the burden of proof, only strengthened what I said: Push is considered assault.

edit: as far as teleport home crashing you, thats a client side issue, not a script side one. Your reports would merit nothing since my script wasn't causing the crash, your computer is

An avatar is a little graphic _doll_ or cartoon on a screen, folks. Get a grip. It's not like we haven't seen everything that every skin in SL has -- apart from some of the new scripted attachments.

Even the genitalia are fake-looking; I've only seen one penis that looked even semi-authentic, and all the female genitalia seem to be designed by people who either are not female and have no real experience with female anatomy, or _are_ female and have never either LOOKED at their own body or TOUCHED said anatomy. ROFLMAO! Someone please get a copy of HUSTLER or some such piece of trash and upload the genitalia for a tattoo/underwear for women.

Besides, one click to HOME is all it takes to get to a place to change clothes in "private" -- I only have one window in my gallery office, and that's where I change clothes, if it's going to be a major change, rather than just pulling a folder onto my av (which usually takes off whatever hair I'm wearing). Since alot of things are no-copy, I have them in their own little folders and mix-&-match items for whatever I'm doing. If I'm out dancing and want to participate in one of the club's dressup events (best in black, or whatever), I go outside & around the corner of the building so I can take my time.

I got bitched at once during my 2nd week in SL for trying to change my appearance in midair, after a midair fly-through with another avatar -- I ended up looking not much like "me", and some guy deliberately flew into me & bumped me, then got pissed because I didn't like his attentions, and bitched at me for being naked in public. I really don't care if I'm nude/naked in public (or near-naked, in some of the dance club contests), but some sims are PG and it's not polite to flaunt in public in those sims. I like being seen in whatever outfit I've put together, but the process can take a couple of mins, and I would rather show the final put-together look.

I don't want the world to see my digi-peen without my intent. I suppose it goes along with the idea that though it is an alternate reality, where anything is possible... it is as possible that some of us may want privacy as much as some of us may not.

One person's opinion does not invalidate that of another... one person's lack of need or want of a feature doesn't mean it wouldn't be appreciated by others.

Just my L$0.02