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04-27-2006 22:15
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04-28-2006 18:00
I used to think having just one giant wiki would be a good idea (combining them all). But anymore it doesn't really matter. I actualy kind of like the seperation, because on the LSL wiki I know I'll usualy get a LSL related return on searches rather than something else that doesn't have to do with what I'm searching for. Like as mentioned before it's somewhat better when things are specialized, because when you want to say know all about LSL land commands you can just search "land" and get land functions, if you also got "how to terraform land" and such, while not a huge problem, it'd be some more stuff to go through.
Thanks to Jarod previously and now Adam we've been lucky as far as hosting goes. So for now there'd really be no reason to involve LL for hosting or anything like that. And honestly depending on the conditions I don't know if I'd be comfortable with that or not. I'd want us to have full control and the ability to change and update the software, which I doubt LL would be comfortable with residents having that position (however the ResMods comes to mind when thinking of this possibility). But LL also really doesn't seem to have the time to take care of wiki stuff like that (not blaming anyone, they're just busy), so I don't think I'd be up for passing on total control either, especialy if it'd end up falling to peices from neglect. Personaly I don't have any problem with the wikis all being seperated. The thing I debate most in my head is the duplicating pages issue, but thats a whole nother topic. _____________________
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04-28-2006 22:13
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04-29-2006 03:53
While sadly it won't be done as fast as "now", I do agree it's confusing. I get rather befuddled looking things up, and without effective search, makes it more puzzling. At least we have a Google site search now. I get confused as well, although I admit it doesn't take much to confuse a cat. Oh for something simple I can refer to in a hurry with a hundred people asking questions all at once. Something like a Kitty Wiki. 1) How to Sleep 2) How to Eat 3) How to Pounce 4) String and Other Human Games, and so on. |
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04-29-2006 04:10
I get confused as well, although I admit it doesn't take much to confuse a cat. Oh for something simple I can refer to in a hurry with a hundred people asking questions all at once. Something like a Kitty Wiki. 1) How to Sleep 2) How to Eat 3) How to Pounce 4) String and Other Human Games, and so on. How about 'How to hack up furballs in company and not gross everyone out?' ![]() _____________________
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04-29-2006 06:13
And just 1 wiki can provide 3x the group of people editing 3 wikis since it would cater to ALL 3 types of people: general, technical, and historical (with overlaps). A single wiki would more likely attract MORE people than even 3 separate wikis would! I'm sorry, Eep, but this math fails most horribly if you consider for an instant that the people who are active in content with one wiki may be active in another. And, on a personal note, while I would like to see the LSL Wiki go MediaWiki, I'd rather not have my best scripting resource cluttered with stuff not relevant to scripting. _____________________
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04-29-2006 07:58
I get confused as well, although I admit it doesn't take much to confuse a cat. Oh for something simple I can refer to in a hurry with a hundred people asking questions all at once. Something like a Kitty Wiki. 1) How to Sleep 2) How to Eat 3) How to Pounce 4) String and Other Human Games, and so on. THAT'S WHAT WIKIs DOOOOO. _____________________
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04-29-2006 12:49
I'm sorry, Eep, but this math fails most horribly if you consider for an instant that the people who are active in content with one wiki may be active in another. And, on a personal note, while I would like to see the LSL Wiki go MediaWiki, I'd rather not have my best scripting resource cluttered with stuff not relevant to scripting. |
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04-30-2006 07:30
At the risk of sounding like a personal attacker, you just don't get this do you Eep?
Yes any wiki is greater than the sum of its parts because not only do people contribute to it freely, they add links to other resources, including other wikis and web pages and streams et cetera. Duplication is a fact of the model. People even manage to duplicate material on pages within a sinlge wiki. The "problem" is that the same people who do all that posting also have the responsibility of editing and cross referencing and such. Most of them don't care and won't make the effort. You obviously fall into the small group of people who do and will. More power to you, go for it, move ahead. But don't destroy the model, don't prune out the parts that make a wiki the innovative reference tool that it is by reducing it to a simply indexed and content controlled website. That would be wrong. _____________________
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04-30-2006 21:39
I get plenty--perhaps more than you do, Khamon.
How does wiki consolidation lead to "simply indexed and content[-]controlled website"? You must be into conspiracy theories or something because all I'm trying to do is reduce duplication (which you admit can be done if a contributors care enough). Which do you think is more likely: contributors linking to external links or internal links? Internal links--because they don't have to go searching for the URL and dealing with different syntax (except on WakkaWiki, but even then it's easier to do "[[avatar]]" than "[[http://secondlife.com/badgeo/wakka.php?wakka=AgentandAvatar LSLWiki: avatar]]" ![]() Having to link the SAME content on 3 different SL wikis is just stupid-dumb inefficient to me. There's no reason a single SL wiki can't contain for each entry:
And they don't all have to appear on the same page (like Wikipedia) but can be split up on multiple pages, if necessary: "history, entry" (or "entry history" ![]() It would just be a LOT easier to maintain a SINGLE SL wiki than having to make sure content isn't duplicated across 3, 4, and however many SL wikis will spring up--and linking to them all. Blech! |
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05-01-2006 07:08
What you want, Eep, is a indexed, content-controlled website. The best solution for you is to build one that references pages on various wikis so that each link falls into a neat category and points to unique material from a single resource.
That'll be a lot more efficient and satisfying for you than trying to cross reference and unduplicate a collection of wikis that are being properly used by hosts of people. _____________________
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05-01-2006 07:14
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05-01-2006 20:32
What you want, Eep, is a indexed, content-controlled website. The best solution for you is to build one that references pages on various wikis so that each link falls into a neat category and points to unique material from a single resource. That'll be a lot more efficient and satisfying for you than trying to cross reference and unduplicate a collection of wikis that are being properly used by hosts of people. |
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05-02-2006 01:36
There are 3 SL wikis now, all with different wiki software:
They need to all become a single wiki because they have duplicate pages about the same thing (avatar, object, script, etc) and it's annoying having to link them all as I have been doing recently. Since all of these wikis use different wiki software, the syntax is slightly different for each one. For example, creating a link in TikiWiki requires (()) around the local link ([] for external links) and a | in between the URL and link text. WakkaWiki's links are just [[]] and a space between URL and link text for internal/external links. MediaWiki is like a cross between TikiWiki and WakkaWiki, with [[]] for internal links and [] for external links--but no | between URL and link text. Needless to type, trying to add content to all of these wikis is confusing and irritating--and this is just for links! WakkaWiki's bold (**), italics (//), and header size (more "=" for larger font) syntax is more intuitive too. WakkaWiki's table syntax is similar to TikiWiki's but actually works with newlines--UNLIKE TikiWiki. The SL Wiki's TikiWiki software is pretty bad compared to the others. Its comments don't work, there wasn't even a "recent changes" link until I added one on the main page but it doesn't work well. User names can't be clicked (though a user's name page can be created but it won't be linkable from the recent changes, etc). Even searching for a space gives an error. The LSL Wiki's WakkaWiki software is no longer supported and, while I am most comfortable with it, it is lacking with respect to MediaWiki which is what I think the single SL Wiki should use. The SL History Wiki's MediaWiki software is decent (though it needs the same link syntax for both internal AND external links) but it's run by "benevolent dictators" (and I mean that in the nicest way since they are pretty open to suggestions and stuff) and the SL Wiki needs to be more like the LSL Wiki in terms of user-managed ( but still needs LL to maintain/upgrade the software, improve on it, etc). If there's a converter from TikiWiki and WakkaWiki to MediaWiki, great, but LL needs to upgrade the current SL Wiki (formerly SL Support Wiki) to MediaWiki and start promoting it as THE SL wiki. There has already been discussion on the SL History Wiki about broadening its scope but I think a wiki merge would be a better, more sane, solution (as I've already proposed in that discussion). Torley Linden mentioned: But how long is it going to take? We need a wiki merger NOW. I liked the history articles ![]() |
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06-14-2006 20:16
:/ What is the big deal about a single wiki? Sheesh...why people feel the need to create their own hells is beyond me...but I get tired of having to deal with OTHER people's hells all the time!
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06-14-2006 20:34
Please don't encourage anyting that will screw up the LSL wiki.
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06-14-2006 20:44
I am proposing something that will improve ALL the wikis, Sue. There is far too much redundancy in them currently and it's riduculous (not to mention a pain-in-the-ass to change/add to EACH wiki). A single wiki would just make more sense and be easier to maintain and run:
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06-14-2006 21:49
I prefer my LSL wiki separate The history wiki is an independently owned operation, not under the pervue of Linden Lab, which thus keeps Linden Lab from screwing it up technically and allows it to reflect the views of the people who pay for it rather than those of Linden Lab.
The Linden provided support wiki was made from a bunch of unrelated existing material thrown together with no successful effort made to lay down a logical structure to be embellished by users, and you can still tell this when you look at the very first page - it stinks. There's good information in it but it it's not straightforward to find it. LL's main "improvement" to it lately has been to removed the search function from it. I don't want to sully the extremely well structured LSL wiki by having any of it merged with the terribly structured support wiki. _____________________
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06-14-2006 22:02
That is where reorganization comes in, Sue. I really don't understand why people like you are afraid of STRUCTURED change. It boggles my mind that you would rather stay separate and disjointed and have to jump through even more hoops to get to information that could be better presented and managed under a single wiki.
LL simply needs to devote resources to the single wiki, which would cut down on having to administer 2 separate wikis as it is now. If you have a better way to organize the SL Wiki's main page, do it! I reorganized it a bit a month or 2 ago but it still needs work, obviously. TikiWiki just needs to go. Unfortunately, what will most likely happen is all the content on the current SL Wiki will probably be lost when LL moves to Lore, and it will only be Linden-edited content. Bah. I just don't get why people enjoy creating more unnecessary work for themselves when there are FAR simpler and more efficient ways of doing things. Guess I just gotta do it myself on my OWN SL wiki if I want things done right since obviously no one else has a damn clue about it! _____________________
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06-14-2006 22:29
Guess I just gotta do it myself on my OWN SL wiki if I want things done right since obviously no one else has a damn clue about it! Right ON! Stay away from the LSL wiki in the meantime, kthx. _____________________
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SuezanneC Baskerville
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06-14-2006 22:51
Hmm, Lore looks like a knowledgebase that will allow comments by users but the content will be Linden produced. I wonder if that's correct.
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06-14-2006 23:11
I am proposing something that will improve ALL the wikis, Sue. There is far too much redundancy in them currently and it's riduculous (not to mention a pain-in-the-ass to change/add to EACH wiki). The point of having three wikis is that each can focus its efforts on pages specificlly fitting their contexts. Redundancy occurs on the specific wikis (LSL and History) because the tiki, SL's general wiki, is, as you say, crap, and the information has to go somewhere. The information's redundancy holds significance as well. If someone thought it fit to add identical information to both the LSL and History wiki, it was (hopefully) done because the information is relevant and useful in both their contexts. Point: don't flame redundancy before you know what it means. ==Chris _____________________
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06-14-2006 23:16
I'd like to see the Scripting Wiki as a downloadable PDF file for offline reading. Just my 2 Lindens.
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06-15-2006 01:41
The point of having three wikis is that each can focus its efforts on pages specificlly fitting their contexts. Redundancy occurs on the specific wikis (LSL and History) because the tiki, SL's general wiki, is, as you say, crap, and the information has to go somewhere. The information's redundancy holds significance as well. If someone thought it fit to add identical information to both the LSL and History wiki, it was (hopefully) done because the information is relevant and useful in both their contexts. Point: don't flame redundancy before you know what it means.
There's NO reason a single article about, say, "avatar" can't include general info, its history, AND scripting-specific info. Ever heard of sections? It's an amazing way of categorizing content--you should try it sometime; really. ![]() _____________________
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