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Jonas Pierterson

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03-17-2006 10:29

From: someone

They should have gone through those that answered the call for questions on the forum, invited a representative sample of those people to a *private* location and broadcast the whole thing on repeaters to other public locations for those who just "show up." They could use MC's to pipe further questions from *those* audiences to Philip at the private, quieter, more sensible meeting

That would requir enot only intelligence, but that they answer hard questions.

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Travis Lambert

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03-17-2006 10:39

It amazes me that after countless anarchic town halls, Linden still doesn't recognize the need for multi-colored chat.

Especially in a format where there's a lot of chat-spam going on, allowing the 'main speaker''s chat to appear in a different color from the 'audience' makes the conversation much easier to follow.

For the game shows at the Shelter, we use a 'chat repeater' to make the main speaker's chat appear in Green. This allows the audience to kibbutz all they want without the host's chat getting lost in spam.

The only problem with this is if there are multiple speakers - if you're using the repeater, all chat comes thru in green. Likewise, green-text can also get lost in object/attachment spam if there's a lot of it.

Imagine if "Designated Speakers" could be set on a parcel - so those designated would have their chat show up in Blue, for example. I'd think that not only would it make townhalls more intelligible, but go a long way for resident events as well.

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03-17-2006 11:47

From: someone

It amazes me that after countless anarchic town halls, Linden still doesn't recognize the need for multi-colored chat.
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Imagine if "Designated Speakers" could be set on a parcel - so those designated would have their chat show up in Blue, for example. I'd think that not only would it make townhalls more intelligible, but go a long way for resident events as well.

Imagine if they policed their own events.

They don't do it for us peons; maybe they don't know how and are incapable of learning from experience.

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03-17-2006 11:56

From: someone

Has anyone ever sent him an email and did they get a response back.

I've had lengthy dialogs with him, which remain coherent for a few exchanges and then ultimately look as if he invited an insane person with no knowledge of the prior quoted conversation to send the next reply.

Sadly, I'm not the only one to have had such interchanges.

Karmianna Hartunian

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03-17-2006 11:59

From: Siggy Romulus

Did he see his own shadow?

Thats the real question.

As for the nipple rings and shouters - yeah that annoys me - due to my work schedule I've been able to attend exactly 1 town hall meeting in my entire time in SL.. that folks get the opportunity to go and ask questions of the CEO of a company (irrespective of your current views OF the company atm) is a great opportunity.

And they throw it away to say 'oh look at me mom!' - It really is a shame.

I'm all one for fucktardiness - being one of the worlds resident biggest fucktards/jokers/assholes.... but there is a time and a place for everything.

That isn't the time, nor the place...

Siggy cracks me up. I was at the meeting, might have been a good place for an exploding cow.
I did see him reference land managment tools alot. I asked about the missing water sims near Danbi which coupled with access barriers, security systems and builds to the edge of the sim make sailing a nightmare. I did not get an answer or even an acknowledgment.

I had also seconded this question in the questions for Phillip thread.
It seems maybe a more fruitfull approach would have been to used the presubmitted questions but tha tis just me, im silly like that.

Be nice to each other

Karmi

Siggy Romulus

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03-17-2006 11:59

From: Lecktor Hannibal

...or just rent the Wizard of Oz

I prefer Zardoz - it has guns and sex.

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Kaboom Pow

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03-17-2006 12:17

I, for one, appreciate the town hall meetings, regardless of the crashes, the lag, lack of real content, audience spamming, or whatever else hinders the meeting. These events are not something LL has to host, yet they do, often amid much criticism. I think it would be a real loss (perhaps only symbolic at this point) to the community if these meetings were ever discontinued.

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03-17-2006 12:20

In a Linden Answers post:

From: Philip Linden

% of Daily Users un-affected by Viewer crashes. This is the percentage of people who ran SL during the day with ZERO client crashes: 78.47% (3/14, the day before the release, we won't get accurate data until the server crash bug below is fixed)

% of Daily Users un-affected by simulator crashes. This is the percentage of people who ran SL during the day with ZERO simulator crashes: 83.3% (NOTE: this is typically about 95%, and is a result of the high-byte characters bug which we have mostly fixed)

These stats haven't moved very much over the past several months ...

Regarding your 1.6 performance drop, can you send me an email with more specifics on your machine configuration? I'd like to see what histories I can dig up around the 1.6->1.7 time for the sort of machine you are running.

A brief introduction to statistical extrapolation:

The 78% number is accurate data, it is your interpretation that is flawed. That you are waiting for a bug fix that causes crashes is immaterial; this would be akin to saying "I have perfect hearing when I don't have a banana in my ear, but I have a banana in my ear". Also, that statistic allows you to count a player who crashes 50 times in one day as one crash; the airlines would love to make these kind of accounting abuses.
So on a "good" day 1 out of 20 players has at least 1 sim crash from underneath them? And you claim to have no standard by which to measure your performance? I do, that's a good metric and it stinks.
Finally, you're still pretending that the persistent, continual, broadly reported performace degradation from 1.6 onward is still a simple matter an ideosyncratic machine configuration? I can't even make a good joke out of that.

Lewis Nerd

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03-17-2006 12:21

I don't think anyone has said that Town Hall meetings should be discontinued... just that they could be run a lot, lot better. There are many ideas in this thread alone to facilitate that.

Lewis

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paulie Femto

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Philip stretched too thin?

03-17-2006 12:23

Philip seems to be stretching his time a bit thin these days. He mentioned as much during the meeting. He's got too much to do. I'm glad he took the time to speak, but he did seem strained.

Hey, Phil. Don't burn out, bud. We want you around for awhile. Take a break if you have to. Enjoy FIRST LIFE for awhile.

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Dianne Mechanique

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03-17-2006 13:12

From: Siggy Romulus

I prefer Zardoz - it has guns and sex.

Now that is a fabulous, very underrated movie.

Except you have to see Sean Connery with his shirt off which is a bit disturbing, but then he is playing a "barbarian."

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Town Hall Embarassment
Jonas Pierterson Dark Harlequin Join date: 27 Dec 2005 Posts: 3,660	03-17-2006 10:29 From: someone They should have gone through those that answered the call for questions on the forum, invited a representative sample of those people to a private location and broadcast the whole thing on repeaters to other public locations for those who just "show up." They could use MC's to pipe further questions from those audiences to Philip at the private, quieter, more sensible meeting That would requir enot only intelligence, but that they answer hard questions. _____________________ Good freebies here and here I must protest. I am not a merry man! - Warf, ST: TNG, episode: Qpid You killed my father. Prepare to die. - Inigo Montoya, The Princess Bride You killed My father. Your a-- is mine! - Hellboy
Travis Lambert White dog, red collar Join date: 3 Jun 2004 Posts: 2,819	03-17-2006 10:39 It amazes me that after countless anarchic town halls, Linden still doesn't recognize the need for multi-colored chat. Especially in a format where there's a lot of chat-spam going on, allowing the 'main speaker''s chat to appear in a different color from the 'audience' makes the conversation much easier to follow. For the game shows at the Shelter, we use a 'chat repeater' to make the main speaker's chat appear in Green. This allows the audience to kibbutz all they want without the host's chat getting lost in spam. The only problem with this is if there are multiple speakers - if you're using the repeater, all chat comes thru in green. Likewise, green-text can also get lost in object/attachment spam if there's a lot of it. Imagine if "Designated Speakers" could be set on a parcel - so those designated would have their chat show up in Blue, for example. I'd think that not only would it make townhalls more intelligible, but go a long way for resident events as well. _____________________ ------------------ The Shelter The Shelter is a non-profit recreation center for new residents, and supporters of new residents. Our goal is to provide a positive & supportive social environment for those looking for one in our overwhelming world.
Introvert Petunia over 2 billion posts Join date: 11 Sep 2004 Posts: 2,065	03-17-2006 11:47 From: someone It amazes me that after countless anarchic town halls, Linden still doesn't recognize the need for multi-colored chat. .... Imagine if "Designated Speakers" could be set on a parcel - so those designated would have their chat show up in Blue, for example. I'd think that not only would it make townhalls more intelligible, but go a long way for resident events as well. Imagine if they policed their own events. They don't do it for us peons; maybe they don't know how and are incapable of learning from experience.
Introvert Petunia over 2 billion posts Join date: 11 Sep 2004 Posts: 2,065	03-17-2006 11:56 From: someone Has anyone ever sent him an email and did they get a response back. I've had lengthy dialogs with him, which remain coherent for a few exchanges and then ultimately look as if he invited an insane person with no knowledge of the prior quoted conversation to send the next reply. Sadly, I'm not the only one to have had such interchanges.
Karmianna Hartunian Registered User Join date: 2 Jan 2006 Posts: 52	03-17-2006 11:59 From: Siggy Romulus Did he see his own shadow? Thats the real question. As for the nipple rings and shouters - yeah that annoys me - due to my work schedule I've been able to attend exactly 1 town hall meeting in my entire time in SL.. that folks get the opportunity to go and ask questions of the CEO of a company (irrespective of your current views OF the company atm) is a great opportunity. And they throw it away to say 'oh look at me mom!' - It really is a shame. I'm all one for fucktardiness - being one of the worlds resident biggest fucktards/jokers/assholes.... but there is a time and a place for everything. That isn't the time, nor the place... Siggy cracks me up. I was at the meeting, might have been a good place for an exploding cow. I did see him reference land managment tools alot. I asked about the missing water sims near Danbi which coupled with access barriers, security systems and builds to the edge of the sim make sailing a nightmare. I did not get an answer or even an acknowledgment. I had also seconded this question in the questions for Phillip thread. It seems maybe a more fruitfull approach would have been to used the presubmitted questions but tha tis just me, im silly like that. Be nice to each other Karmi
Siggy Romulus DILLIGAF Join date: 22 Sep 2003 Posts: 5,711	03-17-2006 11:59 From: Lecktor Hannibal ...or just rent the Wizard of Oz I prefer Zardoz - it has guns and sex. _____________________ The Second Life forums are living proof as to why it's illegal for people to have sex with farm animals. From: Jesse Linden I, for one, am highly un-helped by this thread
Kaboom Pow Registered User Join date: 28 Nov 2005 Posts: 81	03-17-2006 12:17 I, for one, appreciate the town hall meetings, regardless of the crashes, the lag, lack of real content, audience spamming, or whatever else hinders the meeting. These events are not something LL has to host, yet they do, often amid much criticism. I think it would be a real loss (perhaps only symbolic at this point) to the community if these meetings were ever discontinued.
Introvert Petunia over 2 billion posts Join date: 11 Sep 2004 Posts: 2,065	03-17-2006 12:20 In a Linden Answers post: From: Philip Linden % of Daily Users un-affected by Viewer crashes. This is the percentage of people who ran SL during the day with ZERO client crashes: 78.47% (3/14, the day before the release, we won't get accurate data until the server crash bug below is fixed) % of Daily Users un-affected by simulator crashes. This is the percentage of people who ran SL during the day with ZERO simulator crashes: 83.3% (NOTE: this is typically about 95%, and is a result of the high-byte characters bug which we have mostly fixed) These stats haven't moved very much over the past several months ... Regarding your 1.6 performance drop, can you send me an email with more specifics on your machine configuration? I'd like to see what histories I can dig up around the 1.6->1.7 time for the sort of machine you are running. A brief introduction to statistical extrapolation: The 78% number is accurate data, it is your interpretation that is flawed. That you are waiting for a bug fix that causes crashes is immaterial; this would be akin to saying "I have perfect hearing when I don't have a banana in my ear, but I have a banana in my ear". Also, that statistic allows you to count a player who crashes 50 times in one day as one crash; the airlines would love to make these kind of accounting abuses. So on a "good" day 1 out of 20 players has at least 1 sim crash from underneath them? And you claim to have no standard by which to measure your performance? I do, that's a good metric and it stinks. Finally, you're still pretending that the persistent, continual, broadly reported performace degradation from 1.6 onward is still a simple matter an ideosyncratic machine configuration? I can't even make a good joke out of that.
Lewis Nerd Nerd by name and nature! Join date: 9 Oct 2005 Posts: 3,431	03-17-2006 12:21 I don't think anyone has said that Town Hall meetings should be discontinued... just that they could be run a lot, lot better. There are many ideas in this thread alone to facilitate that. Lewis _____________________ Second Life Stratics - your new premier resource for all things Second Life. Free to join, sign up today! Pocket Protector Projects - Rosieri 90,234,84 - building and landscaping services
paulie Femto Into the dark Join date: 13 Sep 2003 Posts: 1,098	Philip stretched too thin? 03-17-2006 12:23 Philip seems to be stretching his time a bit thin these days. He mentioned as much during the meeting. He's got too much to do. I'm glad he took the time to speak, but he did seem strained. Hey, Phil. Don't burn out, bud. We want you around for awhile. Take a break if you have to. Enjoy FIRST LIFE for awhile. _____________________ REUTERS on SL: "Thirty-five thousand people wearing their psyches on the outside and all the attendant unfettered freakishness that brings."
Dianne Mechanique Back from the Dead Join date: 28 Mar 2005 Posts: 2,648	03-17-2006 13:12 From: Siggy Romulus I prefer Zardoz - it has guns and sex. Now that is a fabulous, very underrated movie. Except you have to see Sean Connery with his shirt off which is a bit disturbing, but then he is playing a "barbarian." _____________________ . black art furniture & classic clothing =================== Black in Neufreistadt Black @ ONE Black @ www.SLBoutique.com .

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