Town Hall Embarassment

Piss poor performance on Philip's part, and LL for even hosting the waste of time. Oh, competitors -- take note -- people are yearning for something else to turn to!

For extra comedy points, you need to include the bit where philip says they're pretty fast ;D

******************::10-31-05 - Ian Linden: "Havok2 is one of our big projects right now since we wanted it out for 1.7. It's still coming along nicely"
10-31-05 - Ian Linden: but, you know, people voted, and havok 2 was at the top so that's what we're working on
03-16-06 - Philip Linden: We are not working right now at top priority on the havok upgrade...**************************************

LOOK AT THIS MESS OF LIES! OMG if they spent more time dealing with issues we need!!!!!! And less concern about adding new player we would not be in this current mess! Its no wonder they are tip toeing around the issues. I would too if I got trapped in the famers trap! They really stepped into the rabbit poo this time! I like to see who cleans it off! The poor inworld lindens! they really don`t get treated well..If the upper mangers are saying one thing and tellng the In world lindens another!

Croquet is coming along nicely. There are lots of cool features that haven't made it into the main release yet, but will probably during the next 6 months. It won't be usable for end-users for a little while yet, but the number of developers are growing and it has some features that would probably take LL many years to develop.

Wow - what a surprize.


Sad - after all the previous hype and empty promises...

Still no mention of Smell-O-Vision? This is really starting to chap my hide.

Havok.. whats that?

I believe the ability to browse the web within SL. They already have the code implemented and will be getting a preview of it _pretty_soon_.

Havok is the physics engine that runs SL. (http://www.havok.com/)

That had majority of the code implemented in the past so it should be upgraded to pretty pretty darn skipity soon:

HTML in SL Updates from Townhalls

1. 06-21-05 - James Linden: Non-interactive 2D browser (item 1) 95% complete, Interactive 2D browser (6) 50% complete, (2) Static External Web Page on prim surface 75%, (3) update URL for primitive 0%, (4) LSL call to set URL for primitive 0% (but easy), (5) web page from script/notecard/typed-in HTML 0% (harder). So, the script stuff isn't gonna make it into 1.7. The 2D browser will make it
   
2. 10-31-05 - (Re: What is the target timeframe for adding HTML on a prim?) Ian Linden: HTML on a prim is into the "next thing" category, so a little farther out
   
3. 12-08-05 - (Re: how is firefox in sl comeing along) Karen Linden: we initially had scheduled that for 1.7, but it was not ready in time. we needed to go back to Mozilla to get some help on their side for certain issues and they have been providing that support for us recently.Our developers are working with theirs to get help overcome a few hurdles
   
4. ...
   
5. Profit!
   

God I love grep....

I guess my sarcasm doesn't come to well. *sigh*.

True - A case of reading the text and not whom it is from. Remember, probably 95% of the SL'ers don't know what it is.

It was a little on the banal side, yes, BUT he DID come on!!

And there were some interesting moments. Got a minor perk out of asking questions that NEVER get answered by the LL crew! AND of course would/did NOT get touched on by Mr. Rosedale. But at least he saw the questions, and knows the queries are out there. And not only of interest to myself. But to a few folks who actually have been banned from the forum and actually are afraid to ask him such questions in Town Halls. And when people started chatting about how great Croquet and Metaverse were, as competitors to SL, I liked the interest he expressed. This again puts ideas out there. Even if they were just touched on briefly. And the rumors that SL is going to be sold and is hurting financially were dispelled. Yes, by the guy who has a major vested interest in the company, the owner. But, I believe him.

All in all, it was great. He answered a lot of the questions put to him and gave a great definition of SL..redefining reality. If he pushed aside issues, or talked around them, or outright lied, well..this is SL. It's HIS company. He's redefining reality. But, I truly think he gave some very well-processed answers and some wonderful new, off-the-cuff bits of info about his SL.

Isn't that more commonly called "premature ejaculation"?

I have a silly little question...its been asked here in the forums time and again, and today at the Town Hall...why are people so upset about not having a better "updater" for SL that just patches instead of re-downloading the client all over again? I mean it takes all of 1-2 minutes. Whats the big deal? Is there some technical reason I am missing?? If you are involved in "things" (I didn't say GAMES!) such as World of Warcraft for example, those patches usually take a lot longer to download and install than SL's updates do.
Just wanting to be enlightened on the fuss over this seemingly minor issue.

True on that issue, Sony's SWG's patches take anywhere from 5-45 minutes, depending on what they're doing.

Who cares if it's "his" company? Without us paying residents, there would be no company.

Think about it. Thousands of paid players leave in disgust over the lies, problems, lack of implementation of promised features, elastic timelines.... what does that leave? Basic accounts lagging the system, and contributing nothing towards the future of the game, only cashing out.

It may be HIS company, but unless WE the paying players are satisfied with what LL do, then they are indeed up a small inwater rivulet with no visible means of propulsion. When the income dries up, so does the game.

I was disappointed in the meeting, the questions that were asked were all ignored because there were too many, and despite PM'ing him in complaint near the end of the session, only to be asked what my question was, I still didn't get an answer.

Seems to me like LL need to employ an Event Manager for these kind of meetings. It's quite clear that the current system does not work. Nobody ejected those deliberately crashing the sim by using umlauts, for example, as a protest against not being able to use them. Last time I looked, deliberately crashing the grid was a suspendable offense - yet the same individuals did it time and time again and NOTHING was done.

Yes, again, I'd volunteer. There's no point in complaining unless you have a suggestion, and it helps if you're actually prepared to do the work.

Lewis

Look at some of the content of the post. Look at what's in it. The competitors. The lack of financial health, the about-to-be-sold status of Linden Labs. The outright lying of the owner of the company. Phil's own version of 'redefinng reality'. Banning of people and marginalyzing/ostracizing/banning them to the point that they are afraid to voice their opinions and concerns at Town Halls and ask friends to do so. Avoidance of answering the more pointed questions, the more controversial. You see, I rarely go to them usually. But, at the town hall meeting I asked a few hard questions about obvious and blatant use of Lindens as officers of influential groups that give that group a huge financial shot in the arm. I asked when LL will have a customer service department serviceable enough so that they would not have to use 'live help', their own customer base. Neither was answered, because the rumors that are out there are that the company is hurting financially, are quite fearful of Croquet and Metaverse as competitors and that they do have their staff become members of groups to combat monopolies by the likes of Anshe Chung. And those tales are told by some VIP/rl.

So, no, Lewis. I do not believe that Phil et al, are swell guys, all 'round. But they probably think that the 'game' is better without a customer buying them out as she buys up all the pixel-land, and that using customers to do their work for them might make their bottom line prettier. Good business people. I also do not believe in biting Lindens too hard. They may be lazy, innept, sarcastic, and probably ugly as sin in rl, but I like the product that Phil or one of his associates made. So, when I post to get an idea or thought made more public, I often do so within a context of impartiality.

I'm with Lewis. Well said.

I have no deep dissatisfaction with LL, but that doesn't mean I don't see room for improvement. The meeting was an opportunity wasted.

I had little choice to be inpartial as I couldn't get to the meeting but could only listen to a relay which didn't contain half the questions being answered, although my memory does correlate with the chat transcript (which is equally incomplete).

I love SL, I love the ability to create stuff - but I do feel that LL really really do need to brush up on their 'public relations' side.

The CEO coming across as incompetent on many occasions - such as starting to quote figures then asking someone else IN OPEN CHAT for the rest of the information - does not bode well.

If LL was a public company and yesterday was shareholders instead of just residents, then I would think that the value would plummet vastly after a meeting like that.

We were asked to supply questions in advance, which were ALL ignored. That's bad PR, and irritating for those of us who bothered to try - plus, of course, irritating for those of us outside the US who had to stay up late for the meeting which, in all honesty, had nothing of any value that wasn't already known.

I'm not saying that the 'umlaut mafia' shouldn't have the opportunity to make their point - which was in fact answered with "we are working on it" - but deliberately crashing the sim by repeated use of them in open chat to disrupt a meeting is not only inconsiderate, but its also a bannable offense - that's not censorship, that's dealing with someone breaking the rules in the correct manner. Tell me, how is that any difference from a 'grey goo' attack or some other bombing attack that have disrupted meetings in the past?

Lewis

I am always impressed at how Cory runs meetings.

Step 1: Come up with responses to questions that people took the time ahead of time to think up and articulate online.
Step 2: At the beginning of the meaning, copy and paste the answers to aforementioned questions rapidly.
Step 3: Proceed with meeting.

I agree. In reviewing the last three years of townhall meetings, Cory definately relayed the most information in the most depth. While I wish that some of the nifty things he talked about a year ago would come to pass sooner than later, he did answer the questions posed to him.

I thought the best bit was where he actually admitted that LL is STILL working on improving Havok 1!

I mean, is that a total waste of time, money and effort or what?!?