What is wrong with people? Why are there so many bad folks?

so who is this person? is it the same ass i dislike immensely that did it before? either way could you send me a private message telling me who it is?

It's no problem. It's really early where I am. X3

My comment was based upon what I know through an alternate method of aquiring land. It seems there are some groups that will rent out a plot of land to other users via an entirely L$ based transaction, handling all of the conversions themselves. The buyer in this case, would have no legal merit since they are dealing with a tender that has no legal value. It was merely something I felt needed to be mentioned, though, with a large mass of land it would quickly become highly unlikely.

I don't know anyone involved in this case but I just stumbled upon this. I personally put him on my list of poop headed people I should avoid dealing with.

I think there needs to be a name for this particular type of wannabe Land Barons. Mebbe Land Worms? Land Vultures? Land Spanish Inquisition?

*stumbles away*

I thank you very much for your post, Chie.

And Haver, I'm so sorry for this

Yeah. I could understand that last one.

No one. And I mean no one expects the Spanish Inquisition.

They're like @#$%ing ninjas. Only Spanish. And inquisitive.

No one needs bounderies to know not to be a prick. Which is exactly what this was , someone just being a prick. I dont need a big sign in a store telling me not to steal, I KNOW its not right to steal.. I would feel sick to my stomach doing it. Its called a conscience ( even if its not spelled that way )

Ahh yes now I understand what you mean. Private sim land ownership as opposed to the mainland. I think that people who "own" land in this method do so under a different system in which they don't need to become premium members and pay their tier to an entity other than Linden Labs and then the sim owner pays LL.

From what I know about this method of "ownership" (and I am admittedly inexperienced in it) I personally do not consider myself to "own" land if I need to have someone else's permission to sell it, I would consider it to be more of a "lease" agreement.

Actually when it comes right down to brass tacks, even "regular" landowners in SL don't "own" anything, Linden Labs owns everything.

I want names. I am going to hunt this heartless asshole down and torture him mercilessly. Then i am going to hunt down his children and his children's children.

NOBODY does that to my Haver and lives to tell about it!!!!

GRRRR!

kk added to my list..
how bout "morons Volatile wants to grief"?

Ok, I'm with you to that point. But what if LL gets continued, repeated ARs on the same shitheel for doing this to other people? What if he becomes a "known repeat offender"? Doesn't that provide a clue that this was more than just a disagreement with one individual, and a trend of behavior?

What's "bad for business" is having greedy, scumsucking land swoopers running around fucking other people for profit. That hurts SL far more than the Lindens smacking the wrist of one conscienceless bottom-feeding ratbag.

I think there has to be some kind of tribunal or court also in SL to decide about questions like that, since it envolves amounts of money that may be very relevant do someone as in this case. I think you should provoke that question to the SL staff, i am quite sure that they would have a way to repair you

But does it hurt Linden Labs' bottom line? LL is a business, they are here to make money,
and you can't please everyone so may as well please the people who are paying the most. Most businesses do not make changes based solely on consumer feedback, as we've seen in SL with the continued appeals to "please just fix the bugs", so many people have asked for this and it hasn't happened yet. As long as people keep paying to use the service provided, a lot of businesses do not see negative user comments as an immediate problem.

I used to work for a business in which my job was to catalog and report consumer complaints. There was one specific product which received the absolute MOST consumer complaints, but yet was still a great moneymaker for the company, and the company kept it. The "most-often-complained-about product" has become a record setter...in terms of longevity and repeat usage amongst its users, as well as being a HUGE moneymaker and imagery from this particular product now has its place in popular culture. In fact I have seen the product imagery from this particular company within SL.

It is a somewhat controversial company, but continues to be a HUGE success, because people keep consuming the product. That is how companies succeed, people buy their product.

What remains to be seen is if LL decides that this is something they need to fix, or if they think it is good for their bottom line.

This diagram should clarify why there are so many jerks in SL...

http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19

LOL! "The Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory"! I love this, Alanna!

This is very similar to the "auction house scam" protesters in WoW.

The premise: that unscrupulous players were preying on the ignorance and carelessness of others by pricing their stuff in such a way as to promote careless clickthrough purchasing. They'd auction 20 identical items, 19 would one price, 1 would be a hugely inflated price but similar looking enough digits so as not to immediately catch the eye as a mistake. People would scroll through, buy 20 items and only then realized they'd been had.

Now, there was always a confirmation box. "are you sure you wish to buy itemX for valueY? Yes/No". However, Blizztard agreed that it was a scam, and put in currency denomination seperators. This slowed the phenomenon down somewhat, but didn't stop it. SO, the whiners piped up again. This time, Blizztard made the color difference on the coin icons more pronounced, so as to be easily distinguishable from one another. This slowed the "scam" down even further, but now..OOH NOOOOOO a new danger reared its ugly head, What about the poor color-blind WoW community?!?!?!?

My point is, where does it end? At what point does LL have to step back and say "we can't save everybody from their own carelessness or stupidity" and just let people learn from their mistakes? It's the same thing in the real world. CHildren are so sheltered and protected from scraping knees and bumping heads or, God For-freakin'-bid, the dreaded "rough-housing with other children", that there are kids out there who've never stubbed a toe, or gotten a bump on the noggin from running around like little tasmanian devils, who are going to grow up having NO freakin' clue how to deal with adversity and failure in the Real World. And they'll all end up on SL, whining, bitching and moaning about how someone "scammed" them or ripped them off, when it was something they did or didn't do that left them vulnerable to be taken advantage of.

I feel sorry for Haver, and yeah, the guy who scooped her land is a serious wanker, but at some point, people have to accept the fact that they screwed up, and came out on the losing end of something, chalk it up to experience, and learn from it.

my $0.02 and a pointy stick.

heh... Right. When did this begin to be a concern?

yeah i bought ungoro soil for 8g once.. i was not happy...

once again a reason i should pay close attention.. LOL

Quoted for absolute freakin' truth. What the hell is wrong with some people?

I'm so sorry that this happened to to Haver. I don't know her. But just as one real person to another real person, I'd like to say: Keep your chin up, sweetie, not everyone is an asshole. Being good is it's own reward, and jerks like that may reap the obvious rewards, but they really don't win in the end. Your friends care about you and will be there for you.

Yes we will. And the cool thing about Haver is that she won't go on a vendetta (her friends will do that for her, because we protect her ). She'll shrug it off and try to be positive like the sweetheart she is. It sure won't stop her from finalizing her great plans for her sim - I'm excited to be a part of that, thanks to her.

If Haver's not one of your friends, your SL is missing a link. She'll hate me for this if she gets too much IM spam, but I can't say enough good things about her. If only more SLers were like her. She's my hero <3 <3 <3.

I had sex with her during a cancer relay.

OMG! You slooooooot!

I could swear I saw that in someones sig!

it was her idea!

Actually, this person was using a bot listener of sorts and that was confirmed by a Linden, but it was also confirmed that it wasn't illegal to do so.

Thanks much to everyone for the support and ideas and discussion.

Haver did indeed, after talking to a Linden and the Linen talking to the asswipe, shrug it off once she was told nothing could be done.

She knows it was her mistake. She has learned from it.

However, that still doesn't mean that the jerk who grabbed up the land is decent human being in any way. He is not.

This type of thing has happened far too many times to far too many folks. I am all for some type of solution as well, be it Seller/Buyer confirmation boxes, or defaulting to owners name in the "Sell to" box, or some sort of safeguard.

Mistakes will no doubt still happen, but less frequently.

Haver is an incredible person; caring, generous and witty. The person who refused to sell her back the land or do the right thing is not at all an incredible person. So Haver wins regardless.

But, as her friends, and as SL'ers who know right from wrong, all we can do is try to spread the word as we can so this person doesn't benefit overly much from his behavior.