Beware Of Lindens New Money Catcher Land Tier!!

Its bull linden you know it if you did it to help us then you make a GUI sell money so we can make money as easys as it is for us to buy money.

Point said we know what and why this was done period.

Or break something that didn't need fixing?

Prior to this upgrade, buying land required as many as 9 dialogs and windows, some repeated multiple times, as many as three trips to the web site, and possibly logging in and out of SL. What's worse, the people most likely to have to jump through all these hoops were first time buyers, though repeat buyers sometimes had to contend with this maze as well.

I realize that for those of you who have been longer term users, with experience in land transactions, you have learned the method, were comfortable with it, and therefore don't see it as broken. Please try to see that for the large numbers of new residents and more casual residents this system was a significant impediment. For them it was extremely broken.

Here at the Lab we really do try to work on those parts of the system that will address what the community wants and needs. The issue of land buying, in particular, was selected as one that causing major problems for residents after reviewing feedback and data from our customer support and liaison teams.

Zero, the user experience is now exquisite. It shows that you guys really do understand how to make your user's life smooth and pleasant.

There are cons to this new experience of course, but there always will be.

Baseline is, it gets easier to buy land. But if you're planning on the grace period to be able to swap land around, you're hosed.

The grace period - correct me if I'm mistaken - meant that you could SWAP land without bumping tier. Now if you SWAP land, at one time one person is going to hold twice the amount and likely will have to bump tier, just for the swapping to take place.

Is there also a change for automatically tiering down or do you still have to log into the web site ?

Ok let me put into english for the people how said its not for money its for helping new players and support the changes.

First off Wheres the EASY SELL BUTTON?
2nd off wheres the EASY TIER DOWN BUTTON OR AUTO TIER DOWN?

I think linden needed another raise.

bingo.

tier is paid according to usage not what you have marked on the tier page. You could have it set on the page to 195$ tier but only use 2048, the tier you would pay is usage, the 2048 tier.

Bump I still thing more warning dilogs atlest 100 more can be added!

That's not completely fair, there WAS a system in place to allow those who buy land to take a day or two before officially claiming it and taking on the tier. Just taking that option away can cost some people a lot of $.
Which as I'm begining to see is or was the point of the feature change....Just another 'oops' where LL gets more of UR $. Like the confusing option when buying land that causes U to purchase $L's from LindenX. DAMN that's slick eh?

Totally worthwhile thread.

Thanks, everyone.

Precisely. An example:

A friend and I became premium members at the same time, and bought first land parcels next to one another. Call these A and B.

Later, two more parcels came open elsewhere in the sim, which I will call C and D. They were not contiguous with our first parcels, but were connected to one another.

So, we both tiered up to the next level (the one where you can own a single 512 m2 parcel above your first one). I bought C, and my friend bought D.

But this was a problem. I owned A and C, which were not connected, and my friend owned B and D, which were not connected. For obvious reasons, it would be better if one of us owned A and B, and the other owned C and D.

So we had to swap. Which means that for the space of about 39 seconds, ONE of us would wind up owning THREE parcels, and the other would own ONE parcel.

Under the old system, this was not a problem, as long as the swap got completed within 24 hours.

Under the CURRENT system, it seems that the person with three parcels gets automatically bumped up to the *next* tier. For holding excess land for 39 seconds, they pay the same as someone who holds that amount of land for the entire month.

Frankly, that's a little ridiculous. And the only way around it that I see is to *already* be paying for tier above what you are actually using, or to create a group, set it all as group land (note that there are only two of us, and groups require three members ... and that as far as I know, the group needs your tier contributed to it before you can put land into it, but you can't add your tier to the group while you still have the land in your possession).

If you are going to keep this change, then perhaps the auto tier-up feature should have a *built-in* delay of 24 hours. Or even one hour.

If it stands as-is, I'm going to be far less likely in the future to make a land purchase like the one described above (cooperate with someone to expand our holdings, then mutually rearrange and consolidate the specific parcels later). I'm simply not willing to pay an entire month's additional tier for the privilege of holding an extra parcel long enough to swap things around, nor do I feel inclined to go out of my way to dance around with my group in order to avoid it.

Zero, the new system sounds nice and clean. it's true that it should cut down on the amount of jumping back and forth between the website and being in-world that was previously required and at times extensively. which is good for everybody in that it cuts down on traffic in both places.

HOWEVER, it is NOT conducive to the Second Life experience to be automatically tiered for reasons mentioned elsewhere in this thread. Dyne's examples above being an excellent one, also making a good point in suggesting a waiting time being integrated into the new system. perhaps an additional option of, "tier now or tier in <X amount of> hours?" or something similar could be used?

granted it's a valid point that this can be used to flip First Land around, it's also been a tool of sorts to many SLers for many legitimate reasons and losing this option could very well result in much less land transactions overall.


edit: also, with auto-tiering up, i agree that there should be auto-tiering down, with an option in one's account to turn off "auto-down". and perhaps that's the answer for "auto-up" as well, make it default then include a message in the dialogue somewhere that this feature can be turned of in one's account.

Isn't this about like cell phones charging extra minutes and not telling you how far you went over?
Do people actualy like the phone bill after that? Or like keeping track of it?
I don't. So I don't think I would be happy either.

I could also see how this could be a sudden boost of income for a company but I don't know how it works with LL on that matter.
But that's how I would take it.
Cigular Wireless loved playing that game with me. So I did this. (Canceled). Not that I'd quit SL over it. And im not saying people should. But a cell phone is much less a priority to me. I guess thats saying somethin for SL. heh

gawd....i fogot i only pay tier cause i buy and sell. duh
this is perfect what they did and don't give a rats arse for those whining over it.
you want to buy land, no need to pend the sale. you already know if it's in your tier or not. if not, don't buy. simple as that

ya but if you liked the next 2048, wouldn't it be common sense to sell what you got first then buy the new if you don't want to upgrade?
just a lil thought on common sense. LL finally did one thing right and you guys are complaining.

Yes Kinga, that would make sense - if you could sell what you got first, and then buy the new land - selling, however, can take days, and the land would be long gone.

Another good example would be this:

I own 2048, half of it on one sim, the other on a second sim. suddenly, a 1024 next to one of my plots opens up. I'd much prefer the 2048 to be together.

In that situation, somebody else would buy the plot before I could sell my other plot. I therefore need to move quickly and buy the plot. Although I really only want to keep 2048, I've been uptiered for the month.

The 'right thing', I'm saying, would have been to inform the community of the change, rather than letting people find out the hard way.

Taco

but once again, if you want to buy and keep in your tier sell first. this couldn't of been made any easier. you are told when you buy that your tier will or will not be increased therefore you have the option to continue or cancel the transaction. i really don't see why the big deal for warnings when this was done to go through less b.s of websites / email confirmation.
another thing that never hurt is to see if the person you bought from has land in the area you want see if they are willing to switch and pay the difference in price if any. you can also see if any of your neighbours want to swap plots. i've done it and i'm happy with the sellers that did this for me and the neighbours who have done so to.

well when your buying land somone else buys it. You will get your tired upgraded anyways so there you got if you see a cheap 50k sq.m land for sale buy it but somone else beats you to the buy it will force a tier upgrade so there you go we have the right you cry of it you sob's you are crying about how we cry!

quick, someone call the wambulance!