Beware Of Lindens New Money Catcher Land Tier!!

Oh well another warning I had to learn the hardway again!

If you buying say 60K tier lot well sometimes the guys drunk or hes quiting. If hes drunk you piss on him keep it. But if hes drunk you piss on him and keep it but thats just an example. Now if some how witch most cases the other 100 buyers beat you there even if you accepted the screen where does show tier and it fails as somone else beats you it will still charge your tier.

So even if you don't get the land you get tier charges.

I really wish I could understand what was being said in this thread.

I think the moral of the story is, don't piss on drunk guys, or a witch will beat you up.

Previous:
When you bought land which put you into next tier, you were informed that you had to go to manually upgrade your tier at the website. You had a period of time to do this, 24 to 48 hours, during which the sale was pending. You could adjust your land holdings accordingly prior to finalizing the sale.

Currently:
When land is bought you are informed that you need more tier to cover it. Accepting this now automatically adjusts your tier level for you. You need to make arrangements and have your tier available before buying the land; no more grace period. If the elimination of the grace period was announced, no one seems to have provided a link.

Unaware of this change, Kane got stuck paying extra tier even though he had tier available in his alt account. It's a little foggy from here but from what I can tell, this depressed Kane Kent enough to get stinking drunk, piss on a passed out drunk guy or two, and change his name to Kent Tanked, appropriately enough.

So did I - and I upgraded my tier quite recently, though before this update, and it just did it automatically when I bought the land IIRC.

Perhaps the start up message (MOTD) could be use to tell people about this change for the next week or two?

I'm not sure when it went automatic but I am certain that it was manual a year ago. I won land at auction and immediately claimed it. I was told that I needed tier so I clicked okay and assumed that in doing so I accepted the increase and the change would be automatic. No. A day or two later my name was no longer on the land and it was set for sale to the next bidder, Siobhan Taylor. It was all straightened out as Siobahn took pity on me in my newbness and did not laugh at my ignorance.

I will attempt to translate this.

There are oftentimes in SL in which a person is looking to unload his land, and will do so at a significantly lower than market value price. When this occurs, the quickest to buy it will of course end up with this land. Under the "confirm uptier" system (I will use confirm, as that's what one is actually doing) you had a day or two to make any other arrangements you needed to, before the tier was set.

This is no longer the case.

I *think* that's what our OP is saying.



I'd like to provide here another example i've seen where that confirm is helpful, and one I've seen in SL: Let's say you own two 512 plots, on two different sims. On your favorite sim, the lot next door goes up for sale. "Ooh! I am already paying for 1024, and now they can be together!". You buy the 512 next door, and under the old system, you had a day or two to sell the non-adjacent 512, without going up-tier to 1536. Apparently, this has changed, without notice.

The problems I have with this are the "without notice" - and that in a situation in which you want to simply swap land, you will not get that land if you wait 4 days to sell what you currently have. I really did believe that was the whole point of the confirm setting, I may be wrong and that it was an accidental, helpful, and reasonal bug, so that it should be squashed with no response from LL.

Can't you just buy up to a tier, shuffle, drop back down and downgrade yourself at the website? Or do you continue to pay a higher tier even if you don't own enough land to warrent it?

Also, I agree, if you knowingly buy land, you should knowingly understand where it puts you tier-wise. How much do people expect everyone to dumb down the world for the unobservant?

Pym

This is the email message received previously upon purchasing land, but not 'approving' it yet:

It seems like LL was trying to eliminate the required visit to a website. I can understand that. LL is trying to move more functionality into the client. But, why eliminate the 48 hour grace period? And why not move confirmation into the client? Why throw the baby out with the bathwater, so to speak?

First, let me apologize for not getting word of this change out to the community earlier. Things run awfully fast here at the Lab, and we are often not certain when a feature is going to release until very close to release. That said, it is my fault that Karen's release announcement from the weekend didn't contain more details.

Now, it is true, we have eliminated the ability to buy land without the tier, and then confirm it later on the web site within 24 hours. I'm a newer Linden so I'm not certain, but I think that mechanism was more an outcome of the way the system was built than conscious decision to offer a free, over-tier holding period.

While the mechanism may have benefited those of you who used it to swap land, it has been a source of confusion for many residents. We believe that the new land buying system, where you are informed of any increase in tier you'll need to have to hold the land, and you agree to it as part of the in-world purchase, greatly reduces the confusion, and makes the total cost of land ownership much more clear.

Actually it doesn't make it clearer. It makes it easier for a new user to accidentally buy WAY more than they want to and get charged by Linden Labs for land they may not realize will cost them even more tier.

The trip to the website was needed because it reiterated the actual tier costs and made it very clear what was happening.

Another "feature" that wasn't asked for or needed.

That sucks -- kind of like when people try sell freebies you created on SL Exchange for L$250.

I have to agree with this.

The visit to the web site provided an extra "speed hump" which was valuable to warn that you were about to take on an extra monthly commitment and would know exactly how much was involved.

Sometimes you do not want things to be too quick and easy, like when they involve spending an extra $40 a month

I agree that the extra step made it even harder to f this up. I also think the first message is perfectly clear and should be enough, but recognize also that the two approval method is widespread when purchasing anything these days.

Hahaha! The major lesson learned here is that Karma is alive and kicking!

Maybe LL closed a loophole allowing people the ability to buy First Land plots from new residents at L$1500, and then set them to sell for L$2999 a minute later.... and to do it without paying extra tier if the land is sold within the 24-hour grace period.

Although I completely agree, it'd be an excellent example of Karma in action....

If memory serves (its been a while)... While the land was in a "Pending" status, you couldn't change any of the land options, return objects - or sell it.

But I certainly could be mistaken

Hey Zero, is there any way we could jump into a preview before these releases? Or is that pretty time intensive?

Linden Found way for us over pay items = withdraw of cash onto our creditcards in game and also tier and its easy dumb and us old players are the ones getting hit as were use to just ignoring things linden said as most if not all is ***^$%#%&*(

Point is its true there hoping n00bs will make mistakes I bet you anything this was no made to make easyer for us was made to increase there $$$$$$$

So for now on when n00bs make mistakes I will tell them to do a charge back on there CC till linden adds more protection and dilogs.


OH SECURITY RISK!
OH SECURITY RISK!
OH SECURITY RISK!

Now if you leave your pc running somone can easly log onto your account or brother siter screw around and withdraw cash and such yes we should watch our pcs but this just a increase risk.

As you probably know from past releases, we often put things on to the preview grid before release. This one would have been difficult because it involved both LindeX and credit card operations - which, as you might imagine, are not fully operational on the preview grid.

What about this being a feature that wasn't needed and in fact causes more confusion, especially for new users who may not even know what "tier" is?

New User Experience:

"Hey look there's land... I want it." Right Click / Buy

"This is going to raise your tier."

"Oh... that must mean I'll own more land." Click...

Next billing cycle: "What!?! Why are they charging me this much!!"

I take it you haven't read the dialog? It says in this case:

Increase your monthly land use fees to US$ 40 / month

It was clear before. It is clear now. If you don't understand how it works you should probably find out via all the available in world classes (Teazers, for instance), the wiki info, or by asking somebody. Of course, I'm sure this isn't sufficient for adults to figure out how there credit card is being charged.