SLCC 2006 Feedback Survey (Even if you didn't attend)

Well there is nothing we can do if you are incapable of understanding and grasping the answer as it has been explained re-explained and redefined and re-explained again and again. so believe what ever you chose I no longer care and really dont feel like wasting another bit of thought trying to explain or asking Flipper to explain it again.

self-edited cause i was being a bitch.

This thread has made me realize how happy I will be to see the forums die die die.

So this is your idea of a hissy-fit?



I haven't been playing nice, I have been nice. I guess you however cannot be either. My post wasn't about the Forums, it was merely an element. I guess it's only fair I be open about what has been involved here.

I paid $1,000 USD to sponsor the SLCC. I never once said a bad word about it despite delays to various requests. I asked about the in-world build long before my decision not to attend. I asked about it as early as 7/17/2006, a month before the conference. Normally organizers would follow-up with the people putting cash on the line as opposed to waiting for sponsors to hunt them down.

FlipperPA was nothing but professional and nice before and after my sponsorship. It's a bad reflection on a staff, paid or not, to treat people the way you have just written to me.

Sorry for the snippy response I am just sick and tired of the constant assaults on every single decision concerning the SLCC and really have just had it at this point. I might as well be a total bitch to everyone cause even when I am being nice that seems to be how it is regarded. So yah who cares right? We try to do the right thing and it becomes some vast conspiracy and we are lying. Why should I care anymore?

So sorry if I offended you. I doubt it means anything anyways.

Thanks for organising Jennyfur and Flip (and all the other volunteers).

It does mean something, and explains why you seemed to react to me differently here than in the past. You didn't offend me, that's not the kind of person I am. I can take a beating, deserved or not. I have a very unharried existence, along with an alergy to responsibility. At least you guys working hard on the conference don't share the same affliction. While I didn't get to attend I enjoyed the live videofeeds using the URLs FlipperPA provided, and even posted them here and in-world whenever anyone asked, and took time to explain the reason for better out-world performance when necessary.

I apologize if I started to get things heated. I want to talk about the SLCC, not from the perspective of the "show runners" or attendees, in-world or out, but from my experience going to these types of gathering as a sponsor (something I started back in 1989 when I was supporting Commodore's failed Amiga computer). I hope to provide some ideas about what I enjoy about conferences and see if next time those might be desirable. If not, I'm not the one volunteering their time!

Despite my post about why I didn't attend, I continue to be active (just not as active) in Second Life and try to be helpful where I can, and ask questions where I think I should.

I thank you and FlipperPA once again for your work, and am sorry that the forum climate here has been so terrible. I know you are not alone in that feeling (despite my own interest in the value the forums add to Second Life).

There are so many better things we (Flipper and myself) could have wasted our time on in the past year rather than working on the SLCC 05 and 06. Its something we are both passionate about hence our passionate responses when we are assaulted for doing something for free to bring people together.

It really saddens me deeply at how pathetic some of you people really are. I love Second Life and I love the friends I have made through Second Life. We've organized the convention for no monetary compensation - for free. What gain do we get out of this? Well some could argue that we have gained visibility and popularity, but what is that really worth when you have to deal with constant assaults on everything you do or say from a handful of parasitic trolls and haters? Its beyond just criticism in some cases. Criticism is open for discussion. Criticism doesn't bash you over the head, spreading conspiracy theories, make up lies about you and any decisions you made or defame your character. That is a malicious personal attack and I am sorry if I defend myself, my husband and the SLCC organization. I am fiercely protective in that sense and I know I need to grow a thicker skin or just learn the ability to ignore people better.

We've gone out of our way to learn from past mistakes hence the survey, which has turned into numerous pages of bitching and moaning and just complete utter crap. It makes me sad and makes me wonder if it is even worth it to have future SLCCs.

I'm sorry if I have unjustly offended anyone in the process. This is something I feel very passionate about and there is really only so much public attacking I can deal with before I lash out.

Regards,
jennyfur

Thanks and I am sorry I snapped at you. I've really just been pushed beyond my limits for the duration of the convention planning until now.

Thanks Seifert. I really love the sculpture you entered into the design showcase. Do you have the meandering hypercube for sale anywhere? I can't remember if you said you did or not. The only negative consequence of running the design showcase has been the massive amount of money I spent buying all the stuff that I really liked.

Well, yes, saying, "Yes I got paid "real" money, $400, that I split 50-50 with moon. Is this such a big deal to you CoKo? " did sound a tad defensive to me, and tossed in the deliberate and antagonistic mispelling of my name for good measure.

I was not talking trash about you, in case you are including me in that group - which you must have been, since you directed the above comment to me.

Nor would I agree that anything I said was "behind your back," since the forums are open to all residents. The fact that you don't come on them anymore is your fault. (You also have expressed disdain for those who actually come in the world, too, for that matter.)

All I did was ask some questions about how the SLCC was run. Is there something awful about doing that? How dare I!

If you would like my opinion, though, no, I don't think giving you and your partner $400 in real money was a wise distribution of the SLCC funds.

As I said, there are enough people in world who would be willing to do such for free (and there was a person above who had volunteered a screen - had SLCC used him, people would have probably seen the show).

I doubt that $400 was the purse offered to the winner of that contest. Perhaps if it had been, more people would have entered their proposals. What was the prize offered?

But actually, it needn't cost $400 at all. I hope next year the SLCC organizers will have more faith in the ability of residents to cobble together something that wouldn't prove embarrassing.

Just look at the exhibits at Burning Life! And nobody is getting paid anything for that.

Indeed, this is Monday morning quarterbacking at its finest on my part. But I must say, I do find this disbursal of funds rather shocking, considering all the talent we have on hand in SL. Paying for catering - that seems like a reasonable cost. But not $400 to build something for people to view the SLCC at.

I understand the organizers were trying to do things up right, and this was a headache-free way to do it, but I don't think it was wise. Where are the financials on this, anyway?

coco, with two c's

Why the fuck is this such a burr in your saddle Cici?

I realize you're using hyperbole to get your point across, JennyFur, but I would never, ever think to call organizing SLCC "a waste of time", even if meant in a sarcastic tone.

SLCC is about bringing a very diverse, colorful community together, people from around the world of all walks of life. I feel that SLCC is the very essence of peacemaking through fun and communication. This comment truly saddens me, with me as a co-founder of the event. I think you misrepresent the event and spirit of the convention in this statement, as well as the direct insults you have been tirading through this thread and others.

If you can't stand forum criticism, don't respond. Please don't associate SLCC with any more of your personal attacks. Please note that over the last year, year and a half, I have been very sparse in my forum posts, because I find the harshness encountered here difficult to bear as well.

I've asked your Flipper to see if there were ways to calm you down in the forums, hoping to avoid a direct statement like this, but at this point I feel I must step in.

Folks, as a co-founder of SLCC I want to personally apologize for harsh comments on the forums. No one has the right to name-call, berate, belittle, or otherwise go on a tirade against anyone, no matter how strong their opinions are. JennyFur's comments do not reflect the other organizers of SLCC.

I made that mistake with SLCC once, back earlier this year, when Newfie really pushed my buttons. Since then, and talking with Newfie privately, Newfie has seriously toned down criticism to a much, much more civil tone. For that, and her accepting my apologies from my earlier comments, I thank Newfie. I haven't seen in this thread anything seriously bad; people are honestly curious and they're confused, and so the reactions I have read are natural and to be exected. These people deserve calm, sober replies.

Please. JennyFur has expressed that she is frustrated, and I can only ask that you folks not keep railing on her because of this.

I'm that way about everything I'm interested in, Lecktor; I would think you would have noticed it by now. Part of it is from being a journalist probably.

AND - if someone doesn't want you to ask questions, that means you definitely should be asking questions.

I know I didn't go to the SLCC, but I still feel like it is supposed to be a community deal. I really don't think my having an interest in it really needs any justification.

As far as the expenditure of the $400 goes, as I pointed out, it is a headache-free way to make sure something is done right. And is understandable in terms of time running out, not enough people on hand to see to it, etc. But it may also be due to the same sort of mistake LL often makes, of assuming you have to "hire" an outside company to do something we could do for ourselves. Starting sooner might be the solution.

That's at best. At worst, it's pork barreling.

coco

i think that prok and coco make significant, positive contributions to the community and dont' just harp on things to be pissed off about. YAY! they also don't use mutliple alts to get their points across, nor spend more time complaining than actually doing anything, and i eagerly await an invite to any and all pro-community events they put on. YAY.

Is prok a girl?

He didn't misspell your name, just abbreviated it differently, which is not antagonistic. Your name is COcoanut KOala, hence CoKo is a reasonable abbreviation. Now Coconutz or something like that would have been antagonistic. Eggy is much meaner when he is actually being antagonistic

You know what? This rings a bell.

Seems to me like he did this before, and I hollered about it before, and it was explained to me before that it was an abbreviation!

Sorry about that, Eggy.

coco

In the FIRST place, Prok is not even in this thread.

In the second place, I resent you saying that.

In the third place, I'm hardly pissed off about anything here, except what you just said.

Moreover, I don't use any alts to get any points across.

In addition, you're saying that I don't actually do anything is a piece of crap. You show me what all YOU do, and we'll compare notes.

Part of what I do is take an interest in these things, which according to people like you should be limited only to some.

Thank goodness Flipper and Jennyfur don't feel the same as you do.

And finally, I'd like to point out that your contribution - in the post above - is noteworthy only in that it is designed to press my buttons (and contributes NOTHING else), and in that, it was successful. Congratulations. Can you do anything else?

coco

The problem is that the explanation that you gave is provably invalid. And now your trying to use that reason (which is faulty) to justify even less inworld coverage next year.

Sorry for coming off like a bitch in this thread, but i'm speaking for many of the people that spent almost all saturday in the SLCC sims. The slcc is suppossed to be accessable to SL resis around the world through the inworld side of the conference, that's one of the major reasons why there are sims donated to it. This year the ball was dropped bigtime, and your comments since SLCC ended made it seem like next year you want to do even less in world. Counting on residents to have their own viewing parties is NOT the direction to take SLCC in. Having more of an inworld presence is the way to be going. I mean just simple things go a long way, set up a copy of the RL stage in SL and have the people stand their avies up on stage inworld when they are onstage in RL, anything to make the virtual people feel like they are at an event, and not just watching one.

Sure you guys worked your ass off, that's great, thanks for that. However the fact that the inworld side of the event this year was executed horribly needs to be fixed for next year.

Ok I dont usualy post like this but ..... Alot of work goes into putting something like SLCC together, then throw in the fact that it will be in both SL and RL and well....there are bound to be a few bumps along the way. For just a handful of people to put something together like this is a big accomplishment.

No matter how many SLCC's there are, there is always going to be someone who is not happy about the location, who is not happy that they cant get there, etc. How you voice that unhappiness with SLCC decisions is another thing, ragging on people is no way to help out with suggestions for future SLCC's. Which is why they did the poll, for those of us who were there and for those of us who would like to go in the future. I believe that everyone involved with this years SLCC did what they could to make sure that people could get to it in world if they could not get to San Francisco. yes there were technical problems, but those cannot be predicted....

So instead of complaining, think about all the work that went into this and thank the people who were involved for doing what they do, for donating their time, and for making it possible for people to meet at SLCC both at past and at future events.

~Stormy Wilde

Holy sweet mother of god. For the last couple of months, I have been mostly ignoring your comments, without actually having put you on ignore, in the interest of smoothing your oh-so-easily-rufflable feathers. But this thread is stuck in me like a double-barbed fishhook.


A: Because it reminds us of Coco's posting.

I've had it with your incessant, unhesitating willingness to jump on the "That's bad" bandwagon. Was the in-world portion of the SLCC handled well? Probably not. Undoubtedly things fell through the cracks, such as the media settings. But the SLCC team had a thousand things to deal with, and I don't see you or any of the other critics doing anything BUT criticizing.

P2

Then let's hope that they learn from this. Having mentioned several times "issues of scalability" between last year, this year and next year as far as the in-world part goes - the same goes for those organising the event.

Obviously I am limited in what I am able to do from over here in the UK, but I am offering to help for 2007 in some way, and I believe Flip acknowledged that several pages back.

So far the only 'request from the community' has been for input as to feedback for this year, and a location for next year. Presumably in due course there will be a shout going out for volunteers for the 2007 event, and then we will see who is willing to help and who's just complaining.

Obviously someone needs to have overall control and charge of it - but I think a separate team to organse the in-world build is going to be essential if the SLCC is to not abandon the very product that makes the event possible in the first place.

Lewis

I haven't read this entire thread, but I think in general there exists a tension between the purpose of SLCC and the various desires about what people want it to be. Is it a 'reunion' type event where people in SL gather to learn about the real people behind the avatars and have a party together, or is it a chance to conference, network and work on improving SL for the community in general? A little of both, some over-emphasis on partying and bonding, imho. But still, it's great that someone feels passionately about the event and wants to organize it for free and that they are open to suggestions, volunteers, offers of help, sponsorships, etc.

I think if the SL Community is truly interested in the SLCC for 2007, they need to step forward as Lewis has done and volunteer to set up portions of the event, for free as well, and work toward the goal of making SLCC be truly representative of the SL Community in response to the criticism in this thread and others.

I'm pretty sick of you, too, Phoenix. I hope and trust that Jennyfur and Flipper take my comments in the helpful fashion in which they are intended.

Unlike you.

coco

And while we are on the subject, you seem to think I shouldn't get my feathers ruffled, but you have zero ZILCH to say about someone who accused me of using alts and all the rest of that stuff. I'm supposed to just let that go by without getting my feathers ruffled?

Well, tough, cause I'm not going to. Why does that person get to unburden himself? I hadn't even addressed him. Why do YOU? Yet I can't even defend myself? Well go jump in a lake.

Why don't you put yourself out of your misery and put everyone on ignore you disagree with and can't stand to listen to.

P.S. I'm NOT THE ONE who started this thread. I am NOT THE ONE who asked for feedback.

Neither, I might point out, are YOU.

I was asked, and I gave it, both here (and much more briefly) on the posted questionnaire. So why don't you go jump in a lake and pull the hole in over you.