How Many Islands have gone so far ?

Another thread was closed with no reason given.

The last count was

Anyone got an update on that figure ....Myself and others would like to keep track .

This post is in the correct forum and is related to the topic .

you cant actually judge by that number.


since consolidations as well as terminations and any new islands are all in that mix.




-558 could mean that 744 open spaces where converted into 186 full sims. the real number of removed islands would be 744 with a 186 new islands taking their place. Or is could be 588 islands went away. Not to mention any new islands that may be opening.

Those numbers were copied and pasted from the economic stats page, you can get the latest published tally from http://secondlife.com/whatis/economy_stats.php

On that page is also a link to "raw data files" - http://secondlife.com/whatis/economy-data.php. The daily add/drop count is inside islands_added.xml. There are a few weeks' worth of old entries under the menu at the top of that page, if you miss some days' counts.

Yes, i know where to find the numbers but the numbers are are just a basic total and do not tell you the whole story. To get to that number they have to calculate the following:

starting total on islands + Number of islands added - number of islands removed = total

Consolidating islands reduces the number of islands by 3 for each set of 4.

If 744 openspaces where consolidated into 186 islands it would be a reduction of islands by -558

744 divided by 4 = 186 x 3 = 558 less islands

This is a wash since no one actually closed down anything they just consolidated.

With out the detailed numbers that say
how many consolidations,
how many removals
how many newly created

the -558 doesn't really mean much of anything other then its a number to point at and say SEE i told you.

There will be massive reduction in islands as LL processes the consolidations. If that number starts going over 10500 then you know LL is starting to feel the pinch and they are starting to loose income from there.

Are you Lostmedia, the OP who wanted the numbers? If not, what on earth are you ranting about?

not ranting just killing time at work...

Jini's comments make sense to me, no ranting that I could see, perhaps you should look at them with an open mind.

No doubt that number indicates some OS islands that are being abandoned, and some that are being consolidated. We will never know how many of each unless LL shows us the numbers, which they are unlikely to do as it highlights their mistake.

Jini's point is open to interpetation... Consolidating 4 sims into one = 3 sims lost. One full sims does not equal 4 OS's in my opinion which Jini seems to think it does. However it isn't really illogical to have that point of view.

Once again LL's numbers don't have nearly enough information to make anything close to a conclusive argument in any direction.

Either way it will be after Jan before the carnage really shows up. If it does at all.

For me, it is not so much the number of sims lost as the number of worthwhile destinations lost. I hear that Princeton is closing down their wonderful art sim(s) and moving to OSGrid. There are rumblings that the current production may be the last for SL Shakespeare.

Edit: ah, and I see Susi's Gallery is being sold. Sigh.

Yes, that was my point in my previous post. What was on many of those OS's can't be stuffed into one sim with the same effect.

Yikes there's a SL Shakespeare company production on this weekend, better see if I can catch a performance. Prospero is involved with that.

Yes, unless somebody wants to write a bot to scrape the grid for actual details on how many regions of the various types have been added/removed, we can just see the net change in grid size...

Since the other thread that I'd been posting to closed:

Islands added so far in November, as of November 13th: -608.

That's just madness. 600+ gone. By now probably 700. Congratulations Linden Lab. You destroyed a huge part of what was SecondLife by your greed.

Actually its not open to interpitaation,

Fact 1) it takes 4 open sims to make one sim.

Fact 2) when you combine 4 to make 1 that means 3 from the total count go away.

As you said , LL's number do not give enough information, the only thing you see is the total , not whats actually going on behind the scenes. it could very well be that over 600 islands simply dropped... most likely its a mixture of the two.

Heya, Boy!

The real slide is gonna come next spring, when the tier jumps up.. What we're seeing now is just the people who are bailing out early. I think the curve will change a lot once people have to actually start paying 67% more..

Based on what I've seen, you could easily close ten times that many OS private islands without losing anything of significance.

Apparently their owners either moved the content or deemed it not worth paying for. Including the cut-rate landbarons fobbing them off on noobs as "!!!full sim private island!!!".

I agree - some of those whom we rent OS out to (whole islands to just 1 resident) are going to hang on until the last minute. Just been advised that 2 of these have just been emptied and can go.

signifiance to you.... 6000 dropped openspaces would represent 1 million 500 thousand US dollars worrth of deposits the land owners had invested that LL gets to keep .. pretty significant to them i am sure.

How many of the 600 have you visited? Tell us, how many OS sims have you teleported to in the past week? 400? 300? 100? 40? 10?

Just what are you basing your "significance" on?

Apparently the powers that be at LL agree with you, but God I really hope that I am misunderstanding this statement. I guess significance like beauty is in the eye of the beholder but I think that every one of those sims was significant to someone, at least significant enough for them to invest their time and money into it.

Those sims are really expressions of people's creativity, passions, hopes, dreams and plans and they are significant to the people who held them and shared them whether they be a void of water or a magnificent sanctuary or sand box.

The loss of them is a sad thing and I pray it would be a sad thing for every person that ever logs a single hour in this place because they are not really merely bits of data hosted on a server somewhere... the are the very real and personal creative expressions of those people that are sitting at the keyboard and the loss of them is certainly significant to me.

Well said. I just spent the day removing everything from my open sim. I almost cried. I loved placing every tree there and sculpting out the waterways with a few houseboats. my lake in the middle with the gondola that went through the stone tunnel and circled the island, my little forest and my home..... removing that really upset me. it looks like a blank page now, all that beauty and work, gone, i loved that place.

the traffic count on OS also doesn't work anymore..?

Ah haven't checked today but yesterday mine was 0.

0 today for OS we have with my lover. 0 too on an OS from a friend.

Islands added so far in November, as of November 14th: -684.