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Openspace Announcement Discussion with Jack Linden

Lynna Lebed
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11-02-2008 05:28
I'm sorry for disappointing those of you who think you should pay more for less, but this is real life money we are talking about.

At this time we are getting a fair deal. 1/4 the usage for 1/4 the price of a full sim. Granted there are other limits that need to be set as well, such as, the number of avatars and scripts.
I do believe that those people who only have open water or maybe a few trees on their OS should pay LESS than this, but NO WAY should someone who is paying 1/4 the price now be charged more if they aren't using more than 1/4 the resources.

If LL decides to go ahead with this rate increase as is or change the usage amount as less than 1/4 that of of a full sim, or even raise the cost of a full sim so that everything works out to be 1/4 for OS then I must say that LL will lose my business. Granted they may be able to recover from myself and others 'jumping ship', but they will feel the pinch come January 1st, 2009.

At this point LL is getting $1035.00 US per month from me and that will be $1035 US they will no longer use to line their pockets in 2009. I know that's not much from their perspective, but add to those people who are doing the same and the pinch might just leave a bruise. Not to mention when the media hears of the MASS EXODUS of Second Life (which has, apparently, already begun) by disgruntled customers. Yes, LL maybe you ought to take bad reviews into consideration before you go ahead as planned.
Chad1 Baxton
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Lindon Labs plays the game.
11-02-2008 05:44
From: Count Burks
Anyone has a bag of popcorn?

I think what a lot of people are missing here is this is a game for the Lindons they see it that way and they play it that way with little or no concern for who gets stepped on in there quest to win. Lets look back at some of the moves that lead up to this current move in there SL move to an total win. First they offer open space sims at a reduce price and a very low prim count with a vague use description some sold but not enough to achieve there planned game plan witch was to run down main land price values. So they up the prims lower the price and sales go thou the roof achieving there game plan. Lindons move was wonderful the sale were unbelievable they sold them knowing very well what they where being used for the 3000sum prim they had allocated. Property value dorpped on main land when they had sold enough that it stated causing a so called problem they do this. This effectively raises main land prices makes open space sims worthless and made Jake and the Lindons a lot of money brovo. My hat gos off the the Lindons they are truly playing the game to the ultament levale of stealth. There is just one problem Jack when only one player holds all the chips and all the cards and chits just a little the game stops being fun for everyone else and they take there ball and go home so when you are the only one playing the game lets see how fun it is for you then. And yes we all need Popcorn for this game cause we have no other control but to seat back and watch for Jacks next move.
Beowulf Aya
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Go Over Bandwidth?
11-02-2008 06:42
From: Atom Burma

The bottom line is that this is paid bandwidth. In any other circumstance you pay for your bandwidth. And if you go over a hosting company will charge you. Period, end of story.
.............Put blame where blame is due.


1. You have not read many of these posts. For example, my sim [supposedly] has 3750 prim I am "allowed" to use. I use 3000 of my "allowance" and never have more than 50 visitors in a 24 hour period and never more than 10 at one time. The "bottom line" here is that I paid to use 3750 prim. I am not. Many others are not. If SL's servers cannot handle the prim usage "they" set, then in the blame game, start there.

2. Blame game ........Estate owners who sold people "their own sims to do with as they please" within the boundaries of our 3750 prim limit. I am not alone when I say that I was sold an OS before I knew what one was, and told it was mine to do with as I please. Show of hands anyone? Who was sold an openspace sim and never told it was for "light use" let alone told what "light use" meant? I imagine there are many of us out there.

If you want to place blame, let's look at "why" LL allowed a sim 3750 prim and it cannot handle it. That's like Microsoft saying minimum requirements for Windows XP is 64meg RAM, but try and run XP with 64meg ram and you see my point perfectly. If these sims could not handle every single prim given to users at 3750, then blame starts with LL for pushing something that is not capable of their 3750prim X 4 sim structure.

Second, the blame stops with not the users, but with the Estate owners who sold people a sim "of their own" to do with as they please in order to make money. Now LL is punishing the very people who put money in their bank, who put the dollar signs on their paycheck.

The real bottom line here is that there will and already is an impact on LL's bottom line, and the bottom line of Second Life residents all at a time when neither party can afford it. People are leaving and abandoning their sims leaving them in the hands of the Estate owners who sold them, who in turn have to pay tier on sims that are not generating income. Either way, this decision is not well thought out and will cost in lost revenue for many. It's not a good move no matter how you slice it.

Stick that in the virtual economic pipe and smoke it. This is a decision that has and will continue to have an impact on SL's bottom line because people don't "have to" give real money to these guys. Like everything else, you pay for a service. If you don't get what you want, and especially what you are paying for [perspectively speaking from the person who is paying for the service] you change the service you are paying for.

It's our money, nobody is forcing us to give it away. SL is a world created for and by "us" and if we vote with our money, you can bet some paychecks will be far less in Second Life's home offices............this is a dumb move that has a direct impact on current and future revenues at SL in a negative manner. And regardless of reason, stop putting the blame on a handful of abusers when the issues of performance exist even with those of us who watch our prim and don't have "clubs" on our sims.

Obviously there is a market for low prim, off mainland sims. That's proven by the popularity of OS. Nobody wants to live next to a club or disrespectful neighbors such as is often the case at the mainland. Why would we?

.........and that's the bottom line, period.

P.S. Another observation. Seems like there is a HUGE lack of input by any lindens even on the productive comments while LL sits and watches the blood flowing from the bottom line each time a sim owner walks away and abandons it to nobody. And an empty sim, OS or not does not generate any revenue. The longer we wait for a solution that is a "good" one for ALL of us and not just SL, the longer this artery is going to spurt and lose more and more blood making SL's bottom line weaker and weaker with each day. The longer you wait, the worse it will be. Where are you? Or do you really think that this won't impact the stabilty of Linden Labs? Is bankruptcy in the wings? As that is the only reason a business such as LL does not care about the .....bottom line at a time like this. Otherwise you'd be working hard to keep every single dollar spent on Second Life by your users. But if you reorganize your business structure by filing bankruptcy, right now you won't care about the blood letting.
Vye Graves
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11-02-2008 07:07
in this case it is about bad faith, and bait and switch.

if LL knew they were going to do this and continued to sell these, or worse, knew they would do this before they enacted the price decrease, then they were acting in bad faith (mala fides). Bait and switch is the marketing of a product or service with the knowledge that the offer cannot be sustained for a reasonable expectation of use, and once the consumer is locked in, forcing them to accept something else of lesser value or higher cost.

The excuse for the price change is the "abuse" of openspaces.

a) openspaces, while being abused in greater numbers, aren't being abused differently than before the original price change. The advertising of these openspaces implied abusive use, and they added prims and raised the avatar cap. They were aware of how openspaces were being "abused", and had every reason to believe they'd continue to be abused.

b) LL has the technical ability to adjust to the load now and limit avatar numbers, limit prim numbers, limit script use. Instead, they just raise the rent. Obviously, this is about money, not server abuse.

c) raising the cost of openspaces harms abusers the least, and those who use them appropriately the most. Those who use them appropriately are least likely to be earning a profit on them, and therefore will be less apt to pay the extra. Revoking the educational benefit is that much more excessive while not addressing actual use.

So, there's really no way to look at this price increase and not see it as being in bad faith. They have the ability to fix the problem, but they choose not to. They are making the situation caustic for NON-abusers, and retaining abusers who are apt to pay more. Obviously, this is about maximizing profit after the sale by changing the agreement after the non-refundable fee has been paid. That's pretty clear cut bait and switch.

This whole situation looks a lot like LL wanted an influx of cash to buy hardware, they invited a lot of people with incentives to buy that hardware for them with their setup fees, and now they want the hardware freed up to set it up again for other people. If that is the case, then there is no doubt that this action is across the line.
DQ Darwin
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Wake Up Folks
11-02-2008 07:11
This has been an experience and a half. 232 Pages of bitching and suggesting and mud slinging and time wasting.

If I am not kicked out of SL for what follows then I plan to exercise my rights as a consumer because thats what I am here. I have bought into an experience and from my perspective spent a good amount of money to be able to play the game well.

The real shame here is that this world and SL's footprint exists only because of the player people that have dedicated time (a lot of it) and money (a lot of it) built this environment making it what it is.

SL provided the platform and it grew technically to accommodate the ingenuity of the SL community. SL would be nothing without the players that built it except a bunch of computers sitting idle.

SL the company has as all companies, the security in thought that people have invested so much they will not leave. The fact of the matter is they are right, the comfort zone is here and based on the compromise offers by residents willing to meet or even suggest worse terms than SL to try to salvage that comfort zone is sad. People as a rule do not like to leave a place where they feel relatively safe and know there way around.

North America as well as other places is full of people from past generations who took the plunge and moved away from the comfort zone for many a reason and look what has been the result.

There are other worlds out there and they are new growing and need people who are resourceful and that have expertise in different fields with respect to virtual worlds. You need not move alone talk it out with your SL friends you can go as groups.

For myself this is easier to adjust to as I have used this approach in RL all my life. If a business cant support me or listen to my grievance I don't return that is the only strength I have as a consumer and if enough people think the same way then it is a statement that hits the bottom line and that is all companies care about.

There is nothing in this whole mess that could not be technically or otherwise settled and any statement contrary to that is bull. The KB article on OS prior to this had the words after the use of OS statement of (It is not recommended to be used in this way and will not be supported) to that effect but the word recommended was definitely there and no longer is I wonder why.

I plan to stay on SL and see the out come of the OS issue and if some decent solution is found that doesn't include a 66% cost hike I will remain, but definitely with the ever present thought of watch you back girl.

The only thing that keeps me here now is the friendships that I have made take a look at Open Life or OS Grid compare prices be a consumer there are cheaper alternatives. Don't allow corporate mentality to win. If they succeed with this ploy then you have given them free licence to shaft you at will, whats next.

Bottom line is if this goes through then take the hit (if you can) and move elsewhere its the only statement business understands.

PS OpenLife and OS Grid don't have premium accounts so at least that bull will be out of the way. (I don't have the energy to even edit this take it as it is)
Micheil Merlin
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Alternatives
11-02-2008 07:16
I've spent the last few days on openlifegrid and osgrid. I first visited openlifegrid in March and it has progressed well since that time. Over the past week, both have seen a large increase in visitors seemingly due almost entirely to this openspace annoucement.

On those grids, there are two subjects.

1) People discussing their passion for creating, extending and supporting their environment.
2) People discussing SL/LL and openspaces.

The passion that I see there is what I thought SL was all about and what built SL.

People recognize that the opensim based grids (which both of those are) are still basically beta and that they are not SL. There is no virtual economy there yet, so you can't really run a business, although both are positioned to allow land to be bought and sold in some form or the other.

This openspace announcement is sure to push some number of these passionate and creative people out of SL to one of the other budding virtual projects. The question is how many will leave.
Bam Camus
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Shame on you, Linden Labs!
11-02-2008 07:22
A few months ago, I watched Linden Labs devalue set up fees for private estates by over a 35%, dropping set up fees from $1600 to $1000, Now, I am watching again, aghast, as they inflict a 66% increase on openspace sims, once again, arbitralily, and without a thought to those who have invested in this game, making it the success that it is. Wake up, Linden Labs!

To me, this is not about wealthy land barons or clubs, this is about an inexcuseable exploit of the very residents that have made Second Life what it is.

A 66% tier increase so soon after LL was proudly announcing the new pricing and availability of these sims is completely insulting and a blatant abuse of capitalism. Not all OS owners are wealthy content creators or land barons. Some of us just manage to make our tier,some of us don't even do that. How will we be able to afford this outrageous tier increase? It seems we will have no choice but to abandon our sims,
saying goodbye to our $250 set up fee. I know I can't afford $50 more per month.

And removing the educators discount is simply nauseating.

What is next? Raising the price of private estate tier? Maybe they will double the premium member fees.... God only knows...but I can say one thing for sure, I am not investing another penny in this game.

This is an appalling way for a company to treat its customers!

I have an new idea for you, Linden Labs...how about providing some customer education! If so many were abusing their Opensapce sims...why didn't you invest some money enforcing your conditions?
Moose Moomintoog
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Crackdown, yes. Rate Increase, why?
11-02-2008 07:23
I understand the need to crack down on those abusing the Openspace "rules". I can also understand that this crackdown costs money and someone has to pay for it. But a 67% increase? That's just gouging, Jack.
Lac Boram
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try again
11-02-2008 07:37
It's a mistake to both increase the price and crack down on use. All you do is make OS sims worthless to everybody. You need to keep OS for open spaces; and create a residential option that the 'abusers' can move on to. What you've discovered is a new market, not a problem. People who want privacy and space at a reasonable price.
Chuckie Breda
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The O/S increase stifles the very essence of Second Life
11-02-2008 08:02
Last Sunday, my wife and I took a leap and took an OpenSpace sim. We were SO excited about the prospects of taking our piece of the metaverse and creating content which would fully express our creativities. Not a club, not any business whatsoever, just our vision of a home we could enjoy together that would express our vision of perfection. Two days later, you WHACKED us with the news of your unconscionable price increase. We simply can't and won't pay $150/mos. for this opportunity. No responsible citizen of the world would, given the current economic travails.

We are heartbroken that this splendid opportunity to express ourselves and our vision, which is what we thought was the essence of Second Life, has been ripped from us, apparently because ofLinden Lab's greed over lost revenues from failing mainland purchases and declining premium account fees.

We have suffered through nearly two years' worth of SL stability problems, because of our intrigue with the promise SL offered of expressing a vision of the metaverse and viewing the visions of others. OpenSpace was a significant advancement of that promise. We will not be content to return to a parcel with its constraints on size and prims. So, we will explore other opportunities to fulfill the promise of true creativity without such constraints and without the apparent greed which is superimposed on the metaverse by its progenitors. We will join the exodus of heartbroken but creative users and seed the new soils of OpenLife and watch it become what we had hoped SL would be.

For your information, we have used 801 prims on our O/S home and we so enjoy the views and the pride we take in the wonderful home we have created there. The other users in our estate have created analogous ( and parsimonious) homes of beauty that they enjoy with pride. We will all do the same in OpenLife as pioneers, taking additional pride for our pioneering creativity.

We do still hold out hope that LL will regain its senses and fulfill its commitment to the O/S promise they made and continue its commitment to the pricing structure it extended when offering OpenSpace. Tax fairly those that chose to abuse for their own commercial gain LL's offer of opportunities for creativity at an affordable price, by sharply increasing their fees. But honor your commitments to the rest of us who have made O/S exactly what Second Life was promised to be: "[Our] world. [Our] imagination"
Conrod Lane
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What did they think we would do with the openspace prims
11-02-2008 08:20
Did you really think that residents would not use the openspace prims? LL you might wish to pull the wool over eyes but it just is not going to work. Try again !!!
Joshe Darkstone
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11-02-2008 08:54
From: Snowflake Fairymeadow
I know you were talking about it back then. I saw.

I think I have already been tied to the stake, because I haven't sunk and its been 3 days :p

hell, I think my first post on the forums was to question the performance isssues that would result from doubling the prims on them - well before they lowered the price on them. Once they actually lowered the price I've been a solutely railing on them ever since. Part of their strategy I think is to absolutely remain silent regarding their prior knowledge & planning so as to limit their culpabilty. They did, however, support their use in many ways and I think they might have to prove a subpar mental capacity before a court would concede that they were surprised by the use of, or the demand for, them.

Scuse this post as it was submitted on my spiffy new iPod touch video - which is way cool!
Snowflake Fairymeadow
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11-02-2008 09:18
From: Taff Nouvelle
OK, I read all of that and I still dont see what your idea is to fight LL, all you said was , if you dont like it, leave, take your money away.
That is not fighting LL, that is running away.

If you have an idea, please share it, I really DO want to fight this.


Heh. I never said everyone would get it.

I did not say leave, I said stop giving them money, and cash out.

There is a difference between withdrawing money and leaving.

And if you keep giving LL the same amount of money or more, then you aren't hitting them in a way they understand.

LL is a business. They want your money above all else. They are not your friend, they don't care if you don't like them.

Be part of the solution, not part of the problem.
Ladyartista Labrada
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11-02-2008 09:28
heh,

with the price increase of 67%, you'd better believe LL won't be getting as much of my cold hard cash. It's not of my own choosing however; it is a forced reduction in spending by LL.
Nicoladie Gymnast
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Linden is accusing educators abusing the bandwidth too
11-02-2008 09:36
From: Vye Graves
Revoking the educational benefit is that much more excessive while not addressing actual use.


Absolutely correct.

I wonder if the educators are actually abusing the resource overloading their servers to exclude them out.
Snowflake Fairymeadow
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11-02-2008 09:39
From: Ladyartista Labrada
heh,

with the price increase of 67%, you'd better believe LL won't be getting as much of my cold hard cash. It's not of my own choosing however; it is a forced reduction in spending by LL.


It doesn't matter if it is of your own choosing, it just matters that it happens.

Hit them in the wallet. They don't seem to care about forum posts or even individual (or mass) unhappy customers.

They keep pulling the same stuff over and over. People keep giving them more and more money.

When they devalued estate sims there were a bunch of people saying YAY now we can get our own sims for cheap. Many of those very same people are now the ones being burnt because they did not see the writing on the wall, and somehow thought that LL screwed estate owners but they would not screw OS owners too.

The more angry people there are, the better, but only if the angry people actually do something about it.
Morgana Hilra
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11-02-2008 09:44
I hate to point this out but, this is just the same as all the "fixes"..
They SAY this is for the better.. but, in reality, who does it help?
Most of the open space sims I visit, are less laggy, more room to explore, and really more fun..
I have heard that MANY of the openspace sims are closing now because of this increase.
That bites, yes, I know my "5th grade" analogy is juvenile but, so is this increase.
Would this not in turn, make the LL LOSE monies?
More and more openspace sims close the more monies they lose?
It's just like their new releases.
Yeah sure SOME of the toys are great but, what happened to fixing the corresponding issues instead of bandaging them with new features.
I think this increase is yet another band aid to hide another problem.
In short, I think that this increase is just going to backfire on LL.
Sorry folks (directed at LL's) but, this is a huge problem and your response in the blog just makes it sound even more like a band aid.
Nicoladie Gymnast
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Grow up
11-02-2008 11:53
The truth is Linden is jealous of the land barons making money from renting out Openspace, so they need to get a piece of that pie. The rest is a moot point.

But little did they know they are killing their nest eggs by killing the chickens who laid the eggs for them.
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The SL meltdown...
Coventina Dalgleish
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Curious
11-02-2008 11:56
Do these servers run on Linux if I am not mistaken I believe there is a command to Throttle
the servers. Open Space Sims never worked anyway from my observations, even mine which when more than 2 people were on it Conover numbers went through the floor. All this time stats both in estate tools and the stats tab looked great. Plus over the last few months Conover's have steadily decreased. less than 1ms frame time, scripts at .3ms and top scripts of .1ms. and yet when several avatars were present poor performance.

Am I irritated with the proposed solution, yes I am but hey Linden Lab it is your business but be aware that you will reap what you sow.

There have been several other large games that made foolish decisions and they are now in the category of also ran in the life of the gaming community.

So plunge ahead with you business plan and good luck for I do think you will need a bucket full.
Coventina Dalgleish
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Will this be like all of your other fix's
11-02-2008 12:00
If this one is like any of your other fixes for the game it will not be of much consequence.

Mono still errors out on comment lines, I find that amazing a comment line is a comment line )) nothing to do with the active script.

The right side of the screen in the latest RC does not respond to edit commands, how hard was that to design in. ))

Just more smoke and mirrors
Thelxepeia Danton
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Up the anty? Please
11-02-2008 12:14
Openspace sims are allotted 3,750 prims, 1/4 the size of regular.

16 Openspace sims fit on one server, compared to 4 regular.

4 Openspace sims can be traded in for one regular, at 295.00 a month tier (USD), rather than the new proposed $500.00 (USD).

1 regular sim is 295.00 a month (USD).

4 Openspace sims are 300.00 (USD).

The burden is where?

It was stated:

""But Openspaces differ from normal regions in one particularly significant way; unlike normal regions that effectively get a CPU to themselves on the server, there can be up to four Openspaces on a single CPU (so 16 on a quad core machine), sharing the resource (hence them being ‘light use’).""

You are not losing money by having the openspace sims as they are, each machine brings in the same amount of USD is my understanding by having so many one one machine.

What needs to be done, is limit the amount of people who can be on any one openspace sim at one time, a quarter of the allowance on regular sims would suffice and not cause any 'grief'.

If you think, I am going to pay $500.00 USD for 4 of my openspace sims, that's insane. I will trade, or dump, those sims on January 1st, 2009. I will either combine them into one regular and pay $205.00 USD less, and still maintain the tier fees by parcel rental, rather than give you a extra $205.00 per month.

Each time someone comes up with a new idea to 'broaden' SL's horizons, the players who believe you are tossed to the wind when something isn't ironed out before the idea is put into effect.

Each CPU, quad core machine, is bringing in the same amount of money per prim usage as for regular islands.. actually at $75.00 a pop, it's $20.00 more per month than regular sim pricing on each machine.

There is no way I can afford this, what was an enjoyable past time is now causing grief and frustration.

There has to be another way. And I do hope, for all our sakes, you find it quickly.
Milano Ferrentino
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A Lesson from the Great Depression of the 1930s
11-02-2008 12:17
I am the owner of more than 50 open space sims, some grouped into a residential island estate but most of them standing alone on the grid. As I have watched the slowdown in the SL land economy that began in about July as the worldwide economic malaise in RL began to have an increasing impact in SL, I was given a little hope in thinking that an interesting phenomenon from the Great Depression of the 1930s may have a parallel in SL.

Despite widespread unemployment and massive economic hardship in the 1930s, at least in the United States attendance at movies remained high. Many social scientists have attempted to explain why so many people in very difficult economic circumstances would continue to spend their scarce cash on what might be considered a luxury item. Most have concluded that it was because the movies provided a brief escape into a happier fantasy world from the grinding daily hardships of the real world.

I had thought that something similar might help keep SL afloat as the world slowly works through the widespread economic recession that is coming, if not already here. But last Monday’s announcement killed that dream, just as movie attendance in the 1930s surely would have fallen off drastically if the ticket prices had suddenly doubled when people were struggling to manage the existing price of tickets.

There are many aspects of the proposed pricing plan that are open to serious criticism, but a major one is that the timing could not have been worse in light of the RL economic situation and its growing spillover into SL.
Ariadne Barzane
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'Abuse' of Open Space Has Been Put to Rest
11-02-2008 12:33
In Jack's latest message he did not speak about the abuse of open space sims nor of the drain on resources...His message was that since the SL population has found so many more ways to use them they are hiking prices to better reflect the value added to resident experiences in their ownership of these spaces...

In other words - feel free to use the 3750 prims allocated but because it is such a popular product we are hiking the prices for it...Linden Labs is going to make money on this deal if everyone goes for it...

The estate owners will hike the rates to cover the increase while still making a profit for themselves - in many instances that profit will be much smaller for them..Many of the estate owners that have purchased OS sims for residents will get out of the business as a result of this change...They will not continue to deal with these kind of hassles if they are not making that much from it...

Speaking from personal experience - those that had private estate land and tried to sell it once OS sims took off, discovered that the market for those properties was non existant...The money used to purchase that land was lost when it was given up...the estate holder ended up having to pay tiers on it and try to rent/sell it when there was little market for it...Now people who have invested money into the OS sims will be losing their investment as they cannot even sell it to anyone....The estate owners will again be on the hook for the tiers on them and the attempt to rent/sell it a second time...Many of these properties will be turned back into LL...so now LL will have a glut of property that they will probably turn into the 'new' product for private residential sim space that the residents have clearly shown that they want...

The question at hand is - how many of the people who have been in SL for a while and been burned by these incidents, will be willing to spend more money for property that will without any doubt be worthless to them once LL makes their next change in plans? I do believe that most of these individuals will not indulge in that outlay of money again...They will instead either find a place to hang out while in world or they will close their accounts and go elsewhere...

No matter how you slice it, LL is cutting off their nose to spite their face....Hiking prices resulting in the return or abandonment of OS sims throughout the game which lowers the stream of income seen monthly....As individuals, educational groups, businesses, estate owners and charitable groups leave the OS sims, Linden Labs will see a marked decrease in their income thus affecting the bottom line for their organization...

The final outcome of this issue remains to be seen...At this point,however, most tier payments due December 1st will show the increased tier pricing as tiers are billed a month in advance...In the last communication from Jack, the price increase was not changed from his original statement so there has been no real discussion or consideration by them about not doing it or changing their plans in that area...It is time for everyone to wake up and understand - If you remain in your OS sim - You WILL be paying more in tiers come December!!

SL has destroyed the trust and confidence of it's residents...When long term residents start leaving due to ill thought changes from LL, it is a great loss for all of us....Perhaps some day LL will realize what damage they have brought upon the creation that so many have embraced, nurtured and enriched since it's beginning....They may own the SL game but the residents and the creators within that world have been the drive behind the many advances that have caused it to become so much more than it was when it began...
Katt Darwin
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and for those who cant afford the full sims?
11-02-2008 12:51
I think you'll be losing a lot of customers, I personally wanted an OS sim, because i wanted to have the extra space, with out the added cost...I myself have a small house and a store set up on mine, together, they dont even add up to 900 prims..most of my space, is purely terraformed or open water...its exactly how i wanted it, but i wont be able to do any of that, with a smaller place..and I cant afford the prices to get a full use sim, just so I can have that extra space I want...I've talked to quite a few people in-world, that are in the same boat..and they will probably have to give theirs up too....as a few others have mentioned on this blog...it may hurt your business, and your relations with your consumers, to punish all, for the misdeeds of a few..

Katt
Akko Yoshikawa
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Join date: 29 Apr 2007
Posts: 18
M & Jack Linden! Perfect suggestion for you!
11-02-2008 13:05
My opinion is almost an opinion of Qie.

Linden Blog comment of Qie
http://blog.secondlife.com/2008/10/29/update-regarding-the-openspaces-announcement/
Is not there it by the public opinion instruction by Linden Lab?
However, strange to say, I noticed it.

I hold 10Openpaces. When I gathered it up to one server,
$100X8=$800 or a right to make $75X16=$1200 is justice.
When it is not gathered up, it is $ 125.(ex:9Openspaces is $925)
Of course I will purchase it more if understaffed.
Less than 7 are good at a raise price
Maximum access limit 25agents per Openspace is good.
The person who sold an Openspace pays high compensation. It is very good.

It is unpleasant to give a merit to the person who held a lot of land;
is a volume discount in various business.

The Linden laboratory does a volume discount in neither the mainland nor the island,
but it is partial to virtual Class4.

Advantageous large quantities ordering always makes unused Openspace.
Linden Lab have high-risk (and convenient for a buyer) by Land portal2.
When Land Portal2 started, I thought that Linden went mad.
Or big resources of discovery of the vein.

Is it against your principles to support the business person who does not yield
to a motivation and a risk?
Is the favor of the motivated manager unpleasant?

This suggestion is high suggestion of the consistency very.
Unused Openspace always occurs. A person of payment has the risk.

One possession will be good by a plan of Jack Linden.

The work to gather it up is great, but will get along well in this entirely.
While keeping surplus unused Openspace; is a contract
without the bad influence for another person.

It does not need the technical improvement of Openspace.
Please use land portal 2 only use basic order of use fee $125/month.

We do not want to trouble another person, and there is nobody.
8Openspaces Plan and 16Openspaces Plan are the best methods
to break the present conditions. You can earn setup fee temporarily.

When you do not have this judgment that is extremely
advantageous to Linden Lab and a resident,
I judge the management of the Linden Lab to be dangerous(go bankrupt).
The investment is not possible later.I and all investor.

I am a network, a professional of the server management, too.
Even if Linden Lab tells a lie, I understand it.

Linden laboratory bought Samurai bond. When it is not accepted this suggestion,
We will talk.This suggestion is perfect.Thank you.

[Postscript]
Can I choose a package of ?Private Island,Openspace,Oceanspace
how about a contract of one server.
Please give a merit for a dedicated server contract. Many people will be accepted.

Please do not announce the easy step-by-step raises.
We feel big disappointment and watch the loss of the originality of Linden Lab.

SLZIN HLDGS.Japan Akko Yoshikawa
www.slzin.com