Openspace Announcement Discussion with Jack Linden

LOL you already lost me.... i think you need to take your meds now..

there there it will be alright, go to sleep, sweet dreams
night night
luci

They have 30 days to work out an exit strategy. It's therefore important if an estate owner or tenant are thinking of leaving that they do so without losing money. An estate owner who waits until the last minute and then finds out the increase is here to stay is going to be in a worse position than one who states now that they are closing down the sim.

This starts on January 1st, so if tier is due January 1st, December 1st is the last cheaper payment day.

An estate owner who allows their tenant time to leave before January 1st or who refunds a tenant is not screwing anyone over, unlike Linden Lab who are screwing over estate owners and tenants.

I completly agree with linden decision about open spaces, the name is OPEN SPACE, or be, it must be used as an Open space, not abused for huge residential or comercial use. It should be used only as a divisor between the sim as ocean or forest and people that want to take few more lindens from others started to rent or resale these places as a ordinary land making the market DOWN in second life.
Let's give the life back to second life economy.

You obviously missed the blog post where they allowed them to be placed anywhere feasible on the grid then huh? You didn't see that one right? The one that removed the restriction to attach them to an existing sim, that went right over your head? You didn't see the explosion in the use of openspaces based around that rule right? You really think people are going to place open waterway in the middle of nowhere?

3750 prims. Buy one at a time. Place anywhere on grid. The statement that openspaces are intended as water between two existing sims is simply not true.
The statement that they should not be abused for huge residential use *is*, though. They are defined as "light use". The vagueness of that definition is what has caused this whole controversy, but it is obvious that there *is* a legit "light use" above merely being entirely empty water surfaces.

i have informed all 220 residents at needles, told them what the new prices will be, the land i sold to them for 1 linden only, so they wont lose there, they have 60 days to leave, i am sad but best practice always wins.

simple logic
the owner that doe not dump and gives time becomes the most trusted
the owner that trys to absorbs as much as they can becomes the most supported

i did this 2 days ago and asked for feed back, they are tell me there thoughts, but not one has left and many will try to stay, i blame noone but myself for any action i take past or present, including coming here

Yea .. and while they are at it lets get rid of all private sims they are all abusiers anyway .. what where they thinking? Did they actually think they where paying all that real money because it was upgrading and maintaining the service levels needed to support what LL sold. How dare they actually USE the resources they are paying for .. the nerv! If only the free accounts are left then finally the abuses would be over and the economy would be .. well


... dead.

Don't you mean "Let's give me back my profits, because I didn't adapt to the new market. Now I need "government" (LL) to rescue me."?

Ok, beautiful birds inhabiting Open Spaces and SL completely empty of peoples. Very good, really. Ironic mode - on

Come now. Two people going out for one evening of NHL hockey, NBA Basketball, NFL Football, etc, plus a couple hot dogs will easily spend the equivalent of a full month's tiers on an OpenSpace sim.

*hears LL laughing all the way to the bank*

At this point most of what I have to contribute to the protest, was posted as a comment to Jack's 2nd blog announcement.

Looking ahead:

With the help of my EMs and input from my Customers ("residents" I have formulated a plan for moving forward and coping with this devestating price hike. The support I have received from those who's SL homes and dreams are founded in Waikiti has been just outstanding and I would like to publicly thank them all.

We will now wait a little while more to see if Linden Lab will give us any concessions, such as waiving the conversion fee or offering an account credit on returned OS regions. But we won't wait forever in the vain hope that they might do the honourable thing.

Waikiti is a very small estate, and about to become even smaller. Careful planning and a level head should see us through this crisis, and we will continue to survive in spite of it.

-Atashi

But what you fail to realize is these have been used as homes since the first week they were on the market in 2006. LL knows that. LL has seen that. LL came and tried to help make sim crossings between them and other sim better.

Many of us have been renting them and/or selling them since the first week they were out over 2 years ago.


So please don't try to make me believe this is some horrid catastrophe caused by those people with horns and tails..the LAND BARONS. Clubs, busy stores...? agreed..wrong but the I'd hazard a guess those are the minority. Function selects those out.

A warning that this piece may involve paranoid conspirical ranting....

With such examples as the Raymond Openspace Sims, Linden Lab promoted a product that they yet could not cope with.

People bought Openspace Sims in the belief that they could build a residential build. This assumption was backed up by the increase of Prims and the examples set by Linden Labs OWN Openspace Sims.

Linden Lab send out a message that they can not cope with the high usage of Openspace sims and bolster this statement with lies about original intentions of use (which are proven faulse with examples such as the Raymond Sims)

Linden Lab proceed to tell us that to cope with the way we use the Openspace Sims they need more money to run the product. There for it would seem, Linden Lab have sold us Products they could not cope with and they knew it.

Linden Lab states that the Openspace Sims can only cope if we use them as originally intended, Yet they promoted them as something they KNEW they could not cope with.

Linden Lab say that the Product we bought has changed into a different Product because of the way we chose to use it, which in turn was encouraged by the rise in Prim usage and examples of Linden Labs own Openspace sims.

I'm finding it hard not to think that Linden Lab guided us into this 'NEW PRODUCT' with intention.

i think if you read your own quote you can see you are saying it to control supply and demand, lol did you write this or is this some new way of camping

Ohh do you often spend 370 for a football game? While the guy next to you pays nothing too huh.

That is the minimal monthly charge for an OS after all. Its only 5769 dollars a year to own a single OS. Of course you have to count the main sim in that cost cause you cant have one with out it and of course the 79 dollars a year for the privlage just to own land in the first place.


Do you spend 6 grand a year to go to sporting events?

Hun, please... you're embarrassing your self. Stop while you're ahead.

I agree that no one would want to put open water in the middle of nowhere, but if people didn't want countryside or open water, why the hell did they buy a product intended for just that?

I havent read all the information on this thread.. I just haven't the time sadly.

It seems to me that the cause of this situation is not massivly relevant. At the end of the day LL intend to increase the costs for Open Space sims which are of 4000 Prims.

Perhaps it would be fair to offer the people who currently own open space sims a downgrade to a OS sim of 1800 prims (as they originally were) at no cost and keep their tiers the same. Then if people do not wish to accept that compromise they could keep the sim they have at the increased tier rate.

This isnt a wholly fair solution, but so what? Was it wholly fair that LL decided to drop the cost of full prim sims when many people had already bought them at the increased price? No but it happened.

At the end of the day it's their game and their rules. But it is unreasonable and unethical to sell a product at an agreed cost only to increase it. The terms of the contract were laid out clearly. 4000 prims for the tier, no one has broken the contract. LL have just decided to change it, because they can. There was nothing to say that the OS sims couldnt be used for residental use. Maybe there is an increased cost, I don't know. However I doubt it. Just like I doubt LL 'had' to charge all the european customers VAT/IVA. If they had wanted to they could have continued charging what they were. Most of us were under the impression that VAT/IVA was included in the cost.

This is highway robbery! Do you really think that we just roll over and die?

This is not an increase of 10% or 20%, but almost double in price. If someone double the price on you, you would expect them to give you double the service in return too. Do we get any increase in the resource, such as increasing the prim count or anything?

Just think about all those residents who had been using Openspace ever since it was offered, and dutifully respect the limits, then now someone just shove this into your throat, whether you like it or not.

Yes, I know a lot of fellow residents said that they would just sell the land and leave SL. That is what will happen anyway. But do you really think we will just drop dead and disappear without a fight?

You speak of this as if you are compelled to do it. I happen to know several people who CHOOSE to spend over $6000 on sporting events (to say nothing of how much they gamble and lose on them). Second Life is a game that you CHOOSE to play. Your life doesn't depend on it. You are not compelled to log in every day to avoid dire consequences. It isn't an addiction is it? Yes it costs money. Were you expecting it to be free? If that football team or hockey team increases the price of admission and doubles the price of hot dogs, some folks may choose to attend fewer games, or even no games at all. But there will be a lineup of folks willing to warm those vacated seats at the going cost.

My original post was aimed at commenting on how so much discussion can be generated over issues in Second Life while folks seem to be oblivious to the real life issues we as a global "society" are facing (and not discussing). It was simply a comment to be taken any way anybody wishes.

Another day is dawning, and coming to a close, and yet LL continues to ignore the needs of its customers by maintaining silence.

Someone in charge at LL needs to look at their own website to discover what SL is all about, because the way we are being treated just does not match what you preach:

"Our guiding principles – also know as the “Tao of Linden” – steer us in our mission to help people realize their full potential by connecting them to a revolutionary virtual universe. These principles include working together, showing initiative, making day-by-day progress, being transparent and open, having fun and approaching tasks with panache."

http://lindenlab.com/about/culture


"Tao of Linden
Vision and Mission
It's our mission to connect us all to an online world that advances the human condition.
Or in other words, we are working to create an online world having the exceptional property that it advances the capabilities of the many people that use it, and by doing so affects and transforms them in a positive way. Read "The Mission of Linden Lab" blog post for more info."

http://lindenlab.com/about/tao

You might also want to revisit the definition of Tao. Here, I will help with a link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tao

My life has been dedicated to understanding and helping improve the human condition for over 25 years. If you understood the human condition, you would have chosen a proactive course in the treatment of your customers. Instead, you have chosen, and continue to consciously chose, to do nothing and believe this is the correct way to behave at a corporate level.

Please remove your mission statement as it is a whitewash of the reality you demonstrate, or rewrite it so that it is an accurate portrayal of your philosophy.

As it stands now, it is just pretty words with no substance.

If it's not constrained to be attached to a sim, how can you claim it's intended for scenery?

There is one thing in this discussion, I really do not understand.

Everybody talks about the costs that are generated by much traffic, many skripts and many prims on an opensim. And everybody condemns shop owners and club owners that spend time and money to provide contents to Second Life. They have invested a lot of time and payed a lot of money up to now and now they should pay even more, because they "misused" SL by doing and providing what everybody likes about SL.

So please consider if not the people that generate the traffic should contribute to the costs of SecondLife. Make a test account for one month or maybe for some more and then force everybody to buy a premium account.

I myself spent a lot of time for building things. I run a shop to allow everybody to look at the things, to try them out and to fetch them. Nobody will ever pay my time, that is ok. Also the shop does not pay the opensim i rented - that is also ok. But now i shall pay 50US$ more for providing all my time for SL? I surely will remove the hundreds of nice things from SL and move them to openlifegrid if this happens.